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Abort67 Rebuts Accusations Of Panic Stricken BPAS Et Al

Posted: 06/08/2012 00:00

As a BPAS employee, Cath Sutton's first priority will inevitably be to deflect attention from what they're doing by, in my opinion, lying about what we do.

The photos Abort67 uses, however, are accurate depictions of the results of what BPAS does to babies. Sutton and BPAS are frankly lying when they accuse us of shouting at or insulting women. We've never called anyone a murderer, we just let the photos speak for themselves. The photos are real, and raise the question: if what goes on in an abortion facility is so horrific that it has to be hidden at any cost, why do we tolerate it?

Neither is it true we film women going into abortion clinics. We invite the police to our displays and record ourselves precisely because groups like BPAS, and their lackeys in the media, are either careless with the truth or are actively helping them maintain this smokescreen. We can present the truth in public with a perfectly free conscience, at any time. Do they dare say the same thing?

Because the media refuses to show it, most people don't think about the realities of what goes on inside those walls. This is the real reason abortion has been allowed to flourish. Show the reality, and the people of Britain will be naturally repelled and demand a halt. This is the essence of our work.

Moreover, exactly this has been our experience on the ground, with people coming up to us and saying, "I never knew abortion was that bad." Which is why BPAS hates us: we're costing them business. Between them, BPAS and Marie Stopes have raked in millions of pounds, mostly of public funds, your money and mine, to kill our children. How many cures for cancer, Parkinson's, Alzheimer's have gone into the medical waste bin and incinerated, how many great works of art or music, or even simple acts of human decency and kindness, are lost forever, and all at public expense?

It's always been the tradition that the great moral reformers, opponents of slavery, injustice, corruption and oppression are publicly vilified and opposed, and always by those who make a profit from those evils. But now the whole world is grateful that the Wilberforces of history did not give up.

The photos are the truth, they show the reality of abortion that BPAS and other abortion profiteers want hidden: abortion is out-of-control mass bloodshed, a catastrophe that absolutely must be ended forever. Killing unborn children should never be the solution to a crisis pregnancy.

If BPAS were genuinely interested in women's health and well-being, they would be taking those millions of pounds and providing pre and postnatal medical care, maternity clothes and baby items, help with job training, babysitting so young girls can stay in school. Or helping the millions of desperate infertile couples to adopt a child. There is no such thing as an unwanted child.

But I forgot, this is all work that is already being done by the selfless volunteers in pro-life pregnancy care centres, the very same who are now being threatened with legal action by BPAS colleague Marie Stopes. There's money in abortion, and in spreading the abortionist ideology, and no profit in helping women.

Of course abortion providers and supporters will tell lies to discredit Abort67. BPAS and its friends in the pro-abortion press want no significant opposition to abortion; but since that isn't working out so well, they are now trying to rig the game by imposing two sets of rules: a liberal set from which BPAS can benefit and a restrictive set by which Abort67 will be burdened.

BPAS says that Abort67, for instance, should be permitted to state conclusions about abortion, but prohibited from proving the facts which compel those conclusions - especially if the proof involves abortion pictures.

And Abort67 should be allowed to state those conclusions to voters and/or elected officials, but never to the mothers who are actually considering BPAS abortions.

BPAS thinks it should be granted exclusive access to these mothers because they are too "vulnerable" to see the horror of the abortions to which BPAS wants them to submit.

BPAS says it should be permitted to recruit an American medical director (Patricia Lohr) to "Americanise" the BPAS approach to their baby-killing process, but Abort67 should stand condemned for any collaboration with Americans whatsoever.

BPAS also argues that this medical director should be allowed to tell mothers that abortion is actually good for them but that Abort67 should be barred from citing the many medical journal articles which say abortion is bad for them.

There may be no Abortion Wars - particularly of the noisy, conspicuous, American sort - but BPAS may continue to wage its quiet, invisible war on pre-born children.

Abort67 is changing the debate from the meaningless slogan, "a Woman's Right to Choose!" to what is actually being chosen. Of course abortion supporters want to defend the "choice" slogan, rather than defend the indefensible act of killing innocent human beings.

 
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As a BPAS employee, Cath Sutton's first priority will inevitably be to deflect attention from what they're doing by, in my opinion, lying about what we do. The photos Abort67 uses, however, are accur...
As a BPAS employee, Cath Sutton's first priority will inevitably be to deflect attention from what they're doing by, in my opinion, lying about what we do. The photos Abort67 uses, however, are accur...
 
 
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11:42 on 22/08/2012
"Abort67 is changing the debate from the meaningless slogan, 'a Woman's Right to Choose!' to what is actually being chosen."

That is what Abort 67 is TRYING to do. But, as readers of the comments will be able to see at a glance for themselves, there are still many people who would rather distract, using almost any red herring that comes into their heads, or just to assert misinformation or to hurl insults, than to respond to the content that Mr Stephenson has published here.
16:04 on 08/08/2012
Don't let A67 fool you into believing they are really in it for the cause. The founder and his parents are regular commentators on the FB page, plus all their church friends too. There have been numerous occasions where they have lied and sent me links to explain why they are right about certain abortion related issues (e.g breast cancer links, abortion statistics) & they ALWAYS are sites/studies produced by religious organisations.

The A67 website is horrendous and let me point out that they link to the Priests for Life website which is currently on a crusade against the birth control pill (again is it only these types of people who cannot see the irony of that? You hate abortion,yet also hate the birth control pill?? Idiots!). A67 also attend conferences by various extremist pro-life groups from across the world and are taught how to use emotive language and how to get extreme responses from those who are pro-choice.

Most people who have had any contact with A67 will also note their fondness of comparisons. This can be anything from comparing abortion to the slave trade, to Nazi Germany, the Holocaust and Genocide. It is actually really sickening what lengths these people go to when trying to justify their position.

All in all, A67 is just a mask worn by those who have their own personal moral agendas fuelled by their religion, and who simply put really just love to interfere with our womens lives.
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23:03 on 30/09/2012
@JippySoFine

Let us suppose that everything you say against Abort 67 is true. So what? You're saying it doesn't reveal whether or not you approve of taking the lives of foetuses, or are against that.

We know Abort 67's "position", and why they hold that position (although you seem to be dragging religion into the topic, even though they don't). We know you think Abort 67 could used better tactics than they do, to "justify" their "position". But what is your position, and why do you hold that position? And what tactics would you prefer Abort 67 to use, and why?
16:03 on 08/08/2012
I am not surprised at all by this article from Andy Stephenson. Abort67 are a very shady and tactical organisation that is seeped in religion and is operating right in the heart of my small town.

I have had dealings with A67 a few times on their Facebook page. I read about them in my local newspaper and have had on/off debates since last year.
They now however have decided that there are just too many people asking them questions/not agreeing and coming out to stand up against them, so they are now blocking all of those who they see 'unfit' to post. This is ironic because they harp on about freedom of speech & their right to stand on street corners yet a few people with different opinions and beliefs cannot even comment to them. As usual it is one rule for them, another for us. They have now blocked me, after I called them out on one of their comments. A67 claimed that their FB page is to help teach their members how to deal with the - quote 'Evil I promote'. Yes, they told me I, an individual, with my own opinions am promoting evil... When asked why they responded in this way, their spokesperson flat out told me they had never said that and I of course had made this up. How they can be so unashamed of their lies is beyond me.
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23:06 on 30/09/2012
"Now we see the violence inherent in the system." (Peasant.)
14:25 on 08/08/2012
Okay the point is that you are a woman you have uterus (most women) time to accept it, either protect yourself (BC etc.) or put big girl pants and rais a child, since child is innocent and didn't asked to be made it is us. If you don't think you are woman enough to accept the reponsiblity get your tubes tigh or remove ur uterus simple as that.
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15:36 on 08/08/2012
Brilliant. Please keep posting. Your insightful comments will do much to advance your cause. Really. Explain everything you feel in great detail. Don't leave anything out.
23:19 on 09/08/2012
Your argument could be sound if it weren't for the slight detail you left out that - men are 50% responsible for a woman getting pregnant. Maybe if some men didn't run away leaving the woman with the heart wrenching decision on whether to have an abortion or bring up the baby alone. Or if some men didn't rape a woman causing her to get pregnant, or if some men didn't coerce and pressurise women into sex.

Or maybe going by your logic) men should just go out and get sterilised so as not to get women pregnant in the first place, maybe that would solve the problem. You know men taking responsibility for where they stick their penises and dealing with the consequences afterwards!
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23:19 on 30/09/2012
If a gay couple entered into a contract with a surrogate mother, and paid her to carry their baby (so-to-speak), but she changed her mind after spending the money, and booked a late abortion, and the gay couple went to court to try to enforce the surrogacy contract by preventing the abortion with an injunction, what should the court decide?
08:20 on 08/08/2012
If Andrew Stephenson thinks his tactics are okay, does that mean he thinks it would be okay for people to stand outside fertility clinics with magnified graphic pictures of vaginas torn apart during childbirth? If everything has to be out there in the open so that people know what they're getting into, we should present both sides of the story.
14:18 on 08/08/2012
Get a grip of life
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15:39 on 08/08/2012
Nicely put.
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20:26 on 07/08/2012
This argument always amuses me, apparently 'these things have to be hidden because they're too horrific' maybes aye and maybes no but there are doors on toilets in all and people generally don't want pictures of them taking a dump or to look at pictures of others doing the same... I generally have some concerns about non surgeons who like to look at pictures of surgical procedures.
All reality, all things that happen all the time, all things that people don't normally want to look at pictures of, are they going to start organisations against defecation and surgical procedures on that basis?
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23:49 on 30/09/2012
"people generally don't want pictures of them taking a dump or to look at pictures of others doing the same"

LOL! That was off-topic, but, since you mentioned this unrelated subject first, if you Google my name and the same "Terrence Higgins". Then follow a few links, and then read some of the comments on my blog. It sounds as though you'll be in for some big surprises, about what people want nowadays - or at least what some people suggest to kids that the kids might want to try, and get paid to for this bizarre "health advice", by the government. Along the same lines as what you mentioned, but tame by comparison with the mere photography that you thought others might find a bit too much to stomach, I promise you.
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18:30 on 07/08/2012
All who say Abort67 has no religous links/agenda here is a quote from the ORATORY web site, based in Brighton. ............................................................................
"" ProLife/End Abortion Campaigns.
There is horrendous pressure to conform to the ever decreasing expectations of society including the devaluing of human life which, as Catholics, we believe should be cherished as a gift from God. The simple and undeniable fact is abortion kills a small defenceless human being; our children.
Essentially there are two approaches current in the ProLife movement, that of offering counselling and informed choice championed by the likes of the ProLife Alliance, the Good Counsel Network and the Society for the Protection of the Unborn Child and those campaigning more explicitly like Abort67 which we as a Mission have adopted to support.
Campaigning generally means "getting the message out" which can be as simple as sharing information via leaflets and conversations, or at meetings and specific information events. A most effective way of campaigning is to demonstrate peacefully outside Abortuaries (abortion clinics) either by praying, talking to passersby, distributing leaflets or helping with displays (see photo). Notices of these events appear in the weekly Bulletin but if you'd like to become more actively involved please contact Fr Jerome for information on campaigns you could support locally.
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18:38 on 07/08/2012
Oh well, so it appears that psycologicaly abusing women going through the trauma of abortion is a way of "" SERVING GOD "". I find that unbelievable that god would want to be served in that way!
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19:13 on 07/08/2012
I really have trouble understanding why some so-called Christians can justify their ProLife stance. If they believe in God then presumably they would have read the Bible.

Exodus 21:22-25
If a man attacks and kills a woman, a life for a life. Then, in the very next verse - if he only causes miscarriag­­e then only a monetary fine is owed. It would suggest that God thinks a foetus is different to a human.

There's also Numbers 5:27
You are commanded to give a 'bitter drink' to pregnant women suspected of infidelity­­, because if they are guilty it will make the fruit of her womb dry up.
19:18 on 07/08/2012
Language has been given to us to make our meaning clear & not wrap it in dishonest doubt. Your contribution has placed an odd slant to the earlier posting.
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07:15 on 08/08/2012
Have tried and tried to get the second part of the quote published by Huffpost, have removed company names , addresses etc in the hope of getting it through, the quote shows what hte think serving God is about !!!!!!

40 Days for Life, brighton: Lent 2012
While all aspects of 40 Days for Life are crucial in our effort to end abortion, the most visible component is the peaceful prayer vigil outside the local abortion **** facility.
You can help make a life-saving impact by joining our local vigil at: ****** Clinic Brighton
Sign up to participate in our local 40 Days for Life vigil by clicking the "Vigil Schedule".
To learn more, sign up for specific vigil hours, or let us know how you feel called to serve God in this effort
14:57 on 07/08/2012
I can't believe it, the liberal Huff actually published this article, amazing!!!!1
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15:33 on 08/08/2012
I guess that would be because you're not inclined to liberal views yourself, and therefore would deny people who you disagreed with the opportunity to speak their mind.

You'd rather execute them, right?
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11:24 on 07/08/2012
How about this for a good case for abortion?

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/08/07/grandmother-francoise-jansen-masked-burglar-hell_n_1750078.html

I bet any money it'll turn out that these two human vermin were not wanted nor properly loved.
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01:18 on 07/08/2012
Only one question you need to ask an anti-abortionist.

In the case of a woman brutally raped and impregnated, are you going to force her to nurture the foetus to term and bear it?

Either answer they'll have will be horrific.

If it's yes then they are clearly misogynistic monsters with no compassion.

If it's no then they are hypocrites who perfectly understand what a foetus is, and are just looking to impose their framework of sexual mores on others, in particular on women.
12:00 on 07/08/2012
I answered this in the original article to which this article is a response to which you did not reply... wonder why that is?
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12:08 on 07/08/2012
What was your answer?
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12:22 on 07/08/2012
Well, what was your answer - yes or no?
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14:46 on 08/08/2012
Hokum.  Lightweight, sentimentalist, gawky, trash.
Here's a case for abortion for you - two human vermin who have not been properly loved nor wanted burst into an old woman's home and torture her for hours.
If only the inadequate mothers of these people had been better educated and had better access to and understanding of contraception, this woman would not have had to suffer this ordeal.
Your argument is worthless, and is no kind of answer.
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01:16 on 07/08/2012
This is a direct quote from the Abort67 website to describe abortions from 9 weeks:

"The first course of medication usually kills the unborn child (slowly and painfully) and the second course induces premature labour. We have heard of cases where the drugs have failed to kill the baby and so the abortionists just leave the baby gasping for breath in a cold surgical steel pan."

This is typical of how they are deliberately misleading. For starters, a foetus can't feel pain before around 20, and it is unconscious. What's more a 9 week old foetus is not a baby, but rather an embryo around the size of a small grape. The lungs have only just started to develop, so it is impossible that it could be 'gasping for breath'. As for the cold surgical steel pan, why is that relevant to an unconscious collection of cells that is incapable of feeling pain or temperature?

It's calculated to be shocking and disturbing, and it demonstrates a complete disregard for facts.
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01:05 on 07/08/2012
Funny how it's always slightly inadequate men in bobble caps who are the ones outside the clinics with their little placards. I pass an abortion clinic on my way to work and I'm not kidding for the purposes of making fun of anti-abortion types. They really do seem to be of a certain type of low grade mentally ill, seriously lacking in self esteem and looking for a way to pay women back for rejecting them sexually.

Why make it their business otherwise? If they are really concerned about human life being taken, why aren't they parading outside weapons manufacturers with placards showing pictures of horrifically dismembered civilians etc?
08:40 on 07/08/2012
Too many pejorative terms used in your posting.
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11:32 on 07/08/2012
Intellectualising your prejudices much?

You're a good Catholic boy. That's all we need to know about your contribution to any debate here.
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10:49 on 07/08/2012
That's a very good point Secular. These people aren't really concerned about saving lives. For example, there is nothing on their website that explains that obesity is the biggest risk factor.

Women who are obese in early pregnancy have nearly double the risk of foetal death in utero or up to one year after birth compared to women who fall into recommended weight parameters.

Why aren't Abort67 encouraging women to eat a healthy diet and get regular exercise? Why aren't the putting posters up outside fast food joints saying that obese women are twice as likely to miscarry?

This is the kind of information that could actually help people who dearly want a child not to lose their much-loved and hoped-for baby.

Surely that's more helpful than using misinformation to try to bully people who don't want to have a baby into keeping an unwanted child.
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12:20 on 07/08/2012
Miscarriages are often referred to as "spontaneous abortion" and are thought to occur in around 50% of all pregnancies - many times more than medically-induced abortion.

Abort67 should get their priorities straight, or at least read a medical journal once in while.
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22:49 on 06/08/2012
Does anyone recall the Miners Strike (1984 -1985).
Toxteth Riots 1985.
Brixton Riots 1985.
Wapping Strike 1986.
The Poll Tax Riots 1990.
Brixton Riots 1995.
The student protests 2011.
The anti fox hunting demonstrations.
Anti vivisection campaigns.

Some of these got pretty ugly. Many people writing here would have supported some or all of these events for a great number of of reasons. Yet in all cases, people were injured, some were killed, others abused, and there was intimidation.

Not once have I heard a cry for the right to protest or strike be curtailed. This is emotive and there can be little doubt both sides use inflamatory methods. It has always happened, it will continue, it has happeneed before and it will happen again.

I am against any company dictating the law. Tesco could ask for 'protest free exclusion zones' near their premises or Barclays, HSBC or any other company for that matter. Companies wield enough power as it is, we should not be led by them or dictated to by them. The matter may be close to your heart, you have limited freedom of protest as it is, don't give it up.

If laws are being broken then make the Police act, the exsisting laws are sufficient.
22:28 on 06/08/2012
What is Abort67's view on contraception? I've looked at the site, and apart from this 'How many more millions do they want the government to spend on pushing contraception to 60 million people when with a staff of just a few they can't seem to be tremendously successful'. I cant find anything? Would it be fair to assume that you don't want there to be any impediments to the creation of life? Are women to have nothing but the very basic control of their own sexuality?
Of course if there is anything else on your website that supports a womans right to prevent getting pregnant using effective methods please feel free to show me where I'm wrong, I have no problem with holding my hands up and saying that I'm mistaken.
http://www.abort67.co.uk/component/content/article/139.html for the piece in its entirety, I wouldn't want to be misrepresenting you now :)
20:16 on 06/08/2012
Like others that have commented before me the arrogance and illogicality of these arguments speak for themselves.

All I will add is that I can spot a playground bully a mile off. Not filming you just filming near you. Not pressuring you just standing nearby. Not shouting, just debating.