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Switching Off Springsteen: An Explanation

Posted: 25/07/2012 00:00

Steven van Zandt used The Huffington Post to decry what he said was the "toxic bureaucracy" of Westminster Council and its "rigid and mindless" action in curtailing the Saturday night concert by Bruce Springsteen after it overran. As chairman of licensing at Westminster City Council, I'd like to offer a word of explanation in what has become a very high decibel row.

I oversaw the decision to licence a number of concerts in Hyde Park this year. It is worth noting the shows involved were not just Madonna and 'the Boss'. There are eighteen to come, two at 75 decibels at the beginning of the Olympics then every night at 73 decibels until the Closing night at 75 again. The Opening and Closing nights will run until 1.00 in the morning.

There is clearly a balancing act to be struck between staging concerts in what is a very special year of national celebrations and the Council's legal duty to grant licences "with a view to preventing public nuisance". And the people likely to be affected are a complete mix of that public - there are more than 8,000 properties within half a mile of Hyde Park, and they include everything from social housing to Tony Blair.

The volume limit, and the 10.30pm end time for non-Olympic shows, was accepted by the event promoters as a sensible compromise between the interests of residents and themselves and their audiences. The end of show time is also designed to ensure that large numbers of people can get away safely to public transport in a reasonable period and the later Underground closing time during the Olympics reflects that.

The 75 decibel limit is not a punitive noise measure that Westminster City Council just came up with. It is the industry standard for anywhere with more than four outdoor concerts recommended by the Chartered Institute of Environmental Health.

It may not worry concert goers but such events are normally accompanied by police helicopters hovering for hours at a time overhead - which also makes listening to your TV problematic for people over a wide area.

The music promoter Harvey Goldsmith made an interesting point recently when he questioned whether Hyde Park was the right venue for a large number of shows over a sustained period.

That is something the licensing committee may well be asked to re-consider after the Olympics.

I can understand the disappointment of fans when the Springsteen and McCartney duo came to a rather un rock'n'roll-like end. However the licensing rules are ultimately not there to kill the party, but to go some way to discharge the legal responsibility we also have to consider.

 
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GrowMap
Community & Small Business are THE solution!
12:39 AM on 07/26/2012
I disagree with those who believe it would have been better to be silent. This response lets us know the other side - and it is a VERY valid argument that people who are trying to sleep nearby are already being imposed upon when kept up until 1:00 a.m.

While younger people tend to be night owls, many people go to sleep by 10 or even 9 and the traditional night's out for loud events was 10 most places. I agree that this may be the wrong venue for that kind of event.
12:37 AM on 07/26/2012
We're born, dictated to then die. Rules, rules and more rules. Great big yawn.
11:44 PM on 07/25/2012
Very well said Audrey. I applaud you.
To allow the concert to continue would have been a travesty. The people involved knew the rules and were stupid enough to choose to ignore them in a demonstration of their huge and unwarrented egos !
10:03 PM on 07/25/2012
Of course it was very disappointing but his points are valid. Rules are rules, if you sign an agreement you should stick to it. As for all of you who are blaming old people... do you think we were born old??? Remember the Stones, Pink Floyd, Jethro Tull, T-Rex.......... Hyde Park 1969 :) I do..
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05:30 PM on 07/25/2012
I don't condone nuisance noise at all, but you don't live in the cntre of London because you want a quiet life do you?
majdf18148
I have nothing to declare but my curiosity
04:49 PM on 07/25/2012
Was the real reason Paul McCartney can no longer hold a note?
Was it because he was getting tired?.
Was it because some people who lived nearby wanted to sleep?.
Or wanted their kids to sleep?.
Was it because everyone is equal and any other person would have been switched of at the alloted time?
Was it because officialdom can't do right for doing wrong?
Was it because the law is the law?
Was it/
I don't know!
Was it?
04:58 PM on 07/25/2012
...because people need to lighten up? me & my kids would have been in the garden enjoying a free show!
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03:43 PM on 07/25/2012
"rigid and mindless"
Does it take a mastermind, they’ve started so may as well let them finish.Or alternatively, to cut the power at the end of the previous number?

“The volume limit”
In this day and age, wouldn’t headsets and Bluetooth limit the inconvenience to locals and improve the sound quality for the audience?

“police helicopters hovering for hours at a time overhead”
Given the hourly running cost of a chopper, and the surveillance area being localized. Might not a small tethered blimp with a remote controlled camera gondola be a more practical proposition?

"not there to kill the party"
just ameliorate the concomitant problems.
02:31 PM on 07/25/2012
The UK doesn't seem to have the R&R spirit anymore. I remeber going to a Levellers gig in Oxford & the manager of the place threatned to stop the show if everyone didn't remain in their seats ( thogh, fair play to the band, they said to ignore him & they wouldn't be back). Saw Springsteen in New Jersey & not only did the show over-run, but when the skies opened & it started peeing with rain, he just kept right on playing, even climbing up some scaffolding on the stage so we could all get a better view. a REAL showman! & as another rock legend once said "The music is your special friend...."
02:19 PM on 07/25/2012
Surely common sense could have prevaled here. The regulator was presumably in the sound engineers cabin making sure that the 75 Db limit wasnt exceeded. Db is a logarithmic function where reducing it by 3 actually halves the sound output. What was needed was to tell the engineer to reduce output by 3Db every minute that they over-ran the time limit. That would have removed the perceived noise pollution problem entirely within a few minutes and still give Bruce enough mic time to say goodnight.
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GrowMap
Community & Small Business are THE solution!
12:42 AM on 07/26/2012
Excellent suggestion!
11:14 AM on 07/29/2012
Histsirrer for Mayor of London!
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1st4FrenchProp
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02:00 PM on 07/25/2012
The organisers of the event were aware of the time deadline. They should have made sure that the performers were aware of the deadline but suspect they were scared of reminding/telling them.
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AlanDente
Noses: made to hold glasses
12:49 PM on 07/25/2012
If Springsteen thinks he should be allowed to continue playing beyond the agreed time limit then he is basically saying that he is more important than anyone else. If he doesn't like the terms, he should play elsewhere.

If he wants to play all night, let him buy a tract of land in the middle of nowhere in Arizona or whatever and play as much as he likes. What a spoiled child!
04:11 PM on 07/25/2012
Is there a club for boring old gits,if so join.
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AlanDente
Noses: made to hold glasses
04:17 PM on 07/25/2012
Oh yeah sure... because the Boss is so cutting edge, right? So relevant!
You sound like a very interesting person, I'd love to hear more from you.
06:10 PM on 07/25/2012
I would have thought he was playing extra time for the benifit of his many fans not his own ego!!
11:53 PM on 07/25/2012
cobblers...............just ego. Pure and simple
12:03 PM on 07/25/2012
Any body who can curtail McCartney's performances is MY hero!
12:33 PM on 07/25/2012
Mine too !. Glad to find I am not entirely alone. Always detested the man, his witless companion Lennon [shot by a music lover] and their third rate Beatles group. Anyway, I would have switched the Amps off myself, regardless of who was playing. The world isn't run for noise-making entertainers and their fans .... many of the locals would have needed to be able to get to sleep to get up to go to work the next day.
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Peter Leary
So long and thanks for all the fish.
02:46 PM on 07/25/2012
You must be a hoot at parties.
03:41 PM on 07/25/2012
There isn't that many local to Hyde Park getting up with the larks for work mate and if it was the case no-one pulls the plug on anything to suit real workers, HP is surrounded by unaffordable housing with the likes of MP's, Bankers, Lords, Judges, shipping magnates and other millionaire types, many of whom use their knightsbridge/mayfair/park lane/kensington residence as a through the week hangout nearer to their prostitutes/rent boys and clubs before having a nice time relaxing with the family at the country retreat for the weekend so I very much doubt they'd have been having trouble tuning their TV's at 10.30 Saturday evening but I suppose everyone else needs to bow to the money and their flunkies on wastminster council.
10:46 AM on 07/25/2012
Ms Lewis, to quote a proverb: "When you find yourself in a hole, it is best to stop digging".