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Why Greece Will Rise From the Ashes

Posted: 05/11/11 00:00 GMT

It is very hard as a Greek to swallow all the bad press the country is getting at the moment.

The Greeks are lazy, the Greeks are disorganised, the Greeks are the tinpot nation of Europe.

My dad would turn in his grave.

The truth is that the Greek people have suffered at the hands of inconsistent political leaders. The recent decision to hold a referendum about the loan from Europe is an example. None of the country chose or wanted that.

The Olympics was probably one of their finest hours in Ancient Times. But the recent event was the straw that broke the camel's back. It was an impossible project in an impossible timeframe. Maybe the Greek pride got the better of them but they were just following orders. The stadia that took so much time effort and money to build remain unused. Watch out London.

'Greece is bringing Europe down' is the one statement that grates the most.

Without Greece there would not have been a Europe. All our systems, structures, language stem from a Greek DNA. The Greeks are giants on whose shoulders others have climbed to create their own success.

Its time for Europe to honour for their ancestors instead of treating them like poor cousins.

The decision to halve the debt is a huge gesture but it isn't necessarily one that shows great respect. To me it feels like Daddy Europe just wants to take control rather than help Greece recover.

How would France, UK feel if the USA stepped in and imposed new ways of living on us?

Greece is in a big hole and its a hole they have dug for themselves but if they are going to learn anything for the future they need to dig themselves out of it.

Instead of criticising the country, the powers that be and the media should be encouraging them and talking up the country and what makes them great.

Tourism for me is a key part of the rejuvenation program. Greece has some of the most renowned historic sites and the most incredible islands. Thousands of them. I have visited a fair few beaches and nothing beats the simplicity of a little taverna nestled on the shore overlooking the calmest, clearest waters.

For Europeans, this should be our active choice to help - take your children to the Acropolis, spend your honeymoon on the romantic Santorini, go clubbing to Mykonos.

I am no economist but Greece needs to do what it does best. Entertain, impart wisdom and share the brighter side of life.

I have family on Athens and there is nothing like a dinner with every generation, arms gesticulating, hugs, debates and lots of love. The food is all about joy - fresh grilled food and mezes on the table to share, eggs to crack at Easter and bread to share at Christmas.

In fact, my close Greek friends and family defy every Greek stereotype. They work harder than anyone I know. They build businesses. My dad, a lawyer, worked all hours to launch one of the first international investment banks. They are creative. My cousin is one of the best flamenco dancers in Europe. And they are entrepreneurial. Arianna Huffington is one of the greatest examples.

This is just as a sample of Greek people I know. The new powers need to harness this energy and enthusiasm and the battle will be won.

The Stoicism, their philosophical movement, has ensured they keep going every day despite less wage and more hardship. Democracy, created by the Greeks, is what they need and deserve.

Greece has what it takes to be a great nation again. It was before and it will be still.

 
It is very hard as a Greek to swallow all the bad press the country is getting at the moment. The Greeks are lazy, the Greeks are disorganised, the Greeks are the tinpot nation of Europe. My dad wo...
It is very hard as a Greek to swallow all the bad press the country is getting at the moment. The Greeks are lazy, the Greeks are disorganised, the Greeks are the tinpot nation of Europe. My dad wo...
 
 
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07:51 PM on 11/09/2011
ΣΧΟΛΙΟ 2

Μην σας κακοφαίνεται αγαπητοί μου.
Είναι η σκληρή αλήθεια και πραγματικότητα.

Φυσικά και είναι αλήθεια πως έγιναν σκάνδαλα και πως ορισμένοι έβαλαν λεφτά στη τσέπη τους.
Αυτό όμως δεν αλλάζει τα δεδομένα και ποτέ δεν μπορούσε αυτό το χρέος να φτάσει στο σημείο που είναι τώρα με τέτοια σκάνδαλα.

Ο άλλος λόγος, που ίσως σας στεναχωρήσει αλλά είναι αλήθεια, είναι πως όσοι δάνεισαν στην Ελλάδα, ο τόκος του δανείου ήταν κατά πολύ μεγαλύτερος από ότι σε άλλες χώρες!

Το ότι πολλές φορές δημιουργήθηκαν εικονικά επεισόδια με την γειτονική Τουρκία, και σίγουρα ήταν σχέδιο άλλων χωρών, για να συνεχίσει η Ελλάδα να αγοράζει στρατιωτικό εξοπλισμό (αεροπλάνα, τανκς, και υποβρύχια), είναι αναμφισβήτητο.

Θα μπορούσα να σας γράψω τόσα πολλά... Για το πόσο φταίνε οι ίδιοι οι Έλληνες και το κατά πόσο φταίνε οι υπόλοιποι "Σύμμαχοι" και "εταίροι" της Ελλάδας.
Σκοπός αυτού του σχόλιου δεν είναι να δικαιολογήσω τους Έλληνες και την Ελλάδα, αλλά ούτε και να κατηγορήσω οποιοδήποτε.
Είναι να σας καταθέσω τη γνώμη και την άποψη, μακριά από πολιτικές σκοπιμότητες.

Σκεφθείτε όλα τα παραπάνω και ίσως να αλλάξετε γνώμη για την Ελλάδα και το λαό της.

Για το τέλος θέλω να πω ένα μεγάλο ευχαριστώ στην BritChick Paris, που μπορεί και βλέπει την κατάσταση με πιο καθαρό μυαλό.
Σας ευχαριστούμε για την συμπαράσταση και είστε ευπρόσδεκτη στη χώρα μας να σας φιλοξενήσουμε, έτσι ώστε να δείτε τα πράγματα από κοντά.

Σας ευχαριστώ.
Τρύφωνας Τιπούρτης,
admin of Epirus - Ellas.
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07:51 PM on 11/09/2011
ΣΧΟΛΙΟ 1
Καλησπέρα σας.
Μιας και το άρθρο σας αλλά και τα σχόλια των αναγνωστών σας αναφέρονται στην Ελλάδα, θεωρώ πως πρέπει το σχόλιο μου να το γράψω στα Ελληνικά και όποιος ενδιαφέρεται μπορεί να το μεταφράσει.

Καταρχήν θα διαφωνήσω με το φίλο Sasa Milosevic.
Οι Έλληνες αγαπητέ μου φίλε ακόμη και στη χώρα τους δουλεύουν πολύ σκληρά, πάρα πολλές ώρες σε τριτοκοσμικές συνθήκες, τις περισσότερες φορές.
Δυστυχώς αυτό το ψέμα που πλανάται συνεχώς περί τεμπέληδων και πολύ καλά αμοιβομένων εργαζομένων πρέπει να σταματήσει.

Δείτε λίγο το σχόλιο του Ramoglou για να καταλάβετε την κατάσταση που επικρατεί αυτή τη στιγμή στην Ελλάδα.
Όσο αφορά το σχόλιο ότι είναι τρέλα η συνεχής υποστήριξη αυτής της Κυβέρνησης, που πήρε τα πιο αντιλαϊκά μέτρα που πάρθηκαν ποτέ, έχει απόλυτο δίκαιο.
Και δεν μιλώ πολιτικά, αλλά αντικειμενικά.

Όμως σας ξεκαθαρίζω πως ποτέ καμία κυβέρνηση δεν μας είπε από που είναι τα χρήματα που υποτίθεται πως χρωστάμε.
Από που;
Που δόθηκαν και ποιός τα πήρε;
Μήπως χρειαζόμασταν βοήθεια και δάνειο και ενώ έπρεπε να πάρουμε "2" μας εκβίαζαν να πάρουμε και οπλισμό από την Γερμανία, την Γαλλία και την Αμερική, και τελικά από 2 χρωστούσαμε "5";
04:08 PM on 11/09/2011
Below I have attached a link of our onlympic gold medalist in widsurfing, Nikos Kaklamanakis, who in october 2011, as a protest, surfed 280 nautical miles across the Aegean protesting the state our counrty is in- he represents true Greek spirit and he is living proof that, as BritChick says, Greece will rises from the ashes. Thanks Brit Chick!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fiK7_k-Zw48&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL
03:57 PM on 11/09/2011
A great article. A "breath of fresh air" in all this negative publicity around Greece. Thank you.
Being a Greek citizen, I accept that we lack strong, decisive and capable politicians. I also accept that there are many flaws in the system and public sector.
BUT I have to add the following:
a) EU doesn't save Greeks. They are trying to save foreign banks and foreign investors that have Greek bonds. They are trying to get their money back, included the huge, huge rates (interests) they have applied.
b) Greeks have already lost at least 30%-40% due to income cuts and additional taxations (we are paying new taxes upon an already taxed annual income!). Only in one year, more than 300.000 from he private sector have lost their jobs. Unemployement is higher than 16%.
c) I work in the private sector and I have to say that we work very hard. Longer hours and less money than in almost all european countries, whereas cost of living is higher.
d) it is not true that public sectors employees had so many benefits. The truth is that in the past, a part of their monthly salary was passed to extra benefits/commissions. This was a technicality as to reduce insurance taxes for the state (insurance is paid on basic salary). This is why pension salaries are so low.
04:59 AM on 11/09/2011
The criticism of 'the culture of Greece' isn't anything to do with the Parthenon or Socrates, it's to do with the following a) it turns out that the financial position of Greece was kept from the rest of Europe by the government cooking the books, b) the Greek government is spending vast sums of money it doesn't have, still, and a large number of the Greek people - possibly a majority - are opposed to even minimal levels of cuts in government spending, to the point of rioting, c) a large number of people have reported that the corruption is not, as you claim, limited to the government but is in fact a national phenomenon, with the majority of the population engaging in tax evasion, bribery and seeking to be paid cash-in-hand rather or bribe tax collectors rather than pay money into the government.

I'd suggest having a read of the Greek section of Michael Lewis' new book Boomerang. Whether accurate or not I'd suggest it is more pertinent to the debate over whether Greece's problem is cultural rather than merely economic than the degree to which English is or isn't a linguistic descendant of Ancient Greek (ps - it isn't really, baring some technical terms).
12:34 AM on 11/09/2011
ΝΑ ΕΙΣΑΙ ΚΑΛΑ ΚΟΠΕΛΙΑ ΚΑΛΑ ΤΟΥΣ ΤΑ ΛΕΣ..ΑΛΛΑ ΔΕΝ ΚΑΤΑΛΑΒΑΙΝΟΥΝ.ΝΟΜΙΖΟΥΝ ΟΤΙ ΤΑ ΛΕΦΤΑ ΠΟΥ ΔΙΝΟΥΝ ΤΑ ΠΕΡΝΕΙ Ο ΑΠΛΟΣ ΚΟΣΜΟΣ ΕΔΩ ΣΤΗΝ ΕΛΛΑΔΑ..ΕΙΤΕ ΦΤΩΧΟΣ ΕΙΤΕ ΠΛΟΥΣΙΟΣ ΠΑΝΤΑ ΕΛΛΗΝΕΣ ΘΑ ΜΕΙΝΟΥΜΕ..
01:06 PM on 11/07/2011
'The Myth of Greek Profligacy':

http://www.counterpunch.org/2011/10/24/the-myth-of-greek-profligacy/

Have to say, the archealogical, educational tour I took of Greece was the most memorable of all my experiences. The Olympics is minor compared to really being the birthplace of Western civilization. The food was really good too--and I say that as someone with Italian heritage--Italy being targeted next.

"Una Faccia Una Razza"
11:08 AM on 11/07/2011
A Spanish article concludes that most of the current issues are culture related, more than financial/economical/political. Especially since at the moment we face a relationship crisis due to lack of trust. http://ataleof2neighbours.blogspot.com/2011/11/reality-check-what-does-2-neighbours.html
Issue is that most of the troubled economies concern countries/cultures which are little based upon trust. and....
'how can others trust you, if your own culture is not based upon trust?'
wsdave
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03:19 AM on 11/07/2011
"'Greece is bringing Europe down' is the one statement that grates the most.

Without Greece there would not have been a Europe. All our systems, structures, language stem from a Greek DNA. The Greeks are giants on whose shoulders others have climbed to create their own success."

Sure, but what have they done for us LATELY?

The Greek empire, like all empires, has it's time and then declines. Their time is gone. Sorry.
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09:54 AM on 11/07/2011
thats a little harsh - to write off a nation like that; how would you feel if youre country was slated like that?
wsdave
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04:36 PM on 11/07/2011
My nation (the USA) IS slated like that. The U.S. is an empire in decline as well.

What we face now is the new normal.
08:39 PM on 11/13/2011
You are in a fantasy world!
09:16 PM on 11/06/2011
Maybe that's the problem,like Britain after ww2,you are living in the past.
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04:08 PM on 11/06/2011
In written history, Greece is the founder of Democracy. Rome was the founding of a Republic. America was the founding of Capitalistic government.
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blackraisin
Life, Liberty, Property.
09:43 PM on 11/06/2011
Which of those 3 countries won World War 2 again?
Michael II
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03:55 PM on 11/18/2011
Russia.
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01:21 PM on 11/06/2011
“None of the country chose or wanted (the referendum)”, are you kidding? There have been protests and near riots over the austerity measures that have already taken place, which are nothing compared to what will be required if this deal is accepted How can anyone hope the Greeks will accept this being forced on them They might accept it as a price to pay for avoiding the embarrassment of total default and leaving the EU, but only if it is a decision reached by Greek citizens I do not think there is much hope of an acceptance of an imposed plan

It is clear this is a bank bale out plan, not a Greek bale out plan Goldman Sachs cooked the Greek books in order to get them into the EU in the first place Then when the new administration said they would expose the fraud GS threatened them with interest rates that they could not repay Let the banks that started (in cooperation with a previous administration) suffer the results

A default will have less of a negative impact on the Greeks then the proposed austerity measures if Greece gets out of the EU and the Drachma finds its true value Greece would become a more popular destination for tourists and the imports would drop while exports explode The banks are in a panic that Italy and Spain would see that default is a very appealing option Germany would also suffer from a huge reduction in their exports
09:28 PM on 11/06/2011
Bingo.
04:52 AM on 11/09/2011
If Greece defaults this will radically impair it's ability to borrow on favourable terms. Meaning that the government won't have any external sources of money, or what money it does have will only be borrowable at third world levels of interest. What will this mean? Compared to current levels of spending on public services in Greece: massive austerity measures. It's not a choice between austerity measures and default it's a choice between austerity measures now and continued existence within the Eurozone/EU and a default which, regardless of the knock on effects on the rest of Europe, will require austerity measures. There's no magic scenario whereby the Greek government can keep spending vast sums of money it doesn't have.
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01:11 PM on 11/06/2011
Thank you for this wonderful article. I agree with you in next:

"Without Greece there would not have been a Europe. All our systems, structures, language stem from a Greek DNA. The Greeks are giants on whose shoulders others have climbed to create their own success."

That is an absolute truth, but it cannot be justification for bad political assessment of Greek Government. And again same mistake. Despite the chaos that that Government made, Greek people again supported Papandreu ! Madness ! Suicide.

Ancient Greece cannot be justification for EU citizens to pay Greek bill.

Why they should do it?

Because Greeks gave us Socrat, Democracy, Pantheon.....

I agree with you: Greeks are hard workers. But any where in the world except in the own country.

As Greece media writes, employees in public sector had various benefits and have been additionaly stimulated by 200 euros/monthly NOT TO LATE ON jobs ! It is vandalism over the own national wallet. Do you know some other country that waste budget on such way.Try to late on job in UK !
Will yout get stimulation or willl be fired....

Please, let go out of this pathetic.

Honor to Antic Greeks; Honor to all respectiful Greeks; Honor to your great father, hard worker and R.I.P. Honor to you, with great writer's talent and sense for other's suffering.....

But my dear - There is no free lunch. Neither in Socrat times nor today.
03:57 PM on 11/09/2011
Good afternoon. Regarding your comments, I would like to point out the following:
a) EU doesn't save Greeks. They are trying to save foreign banks and foreign investors that have Greek bonds. They are trying to get their money back, included the huge, huge rates (interests­) they have applied.
b) Greeks have already lost at least 30%-40% due to income cuts and additional taxations (we are paying new taxes upon an already taxed annual income!). Only in one year, more than 300.000 from he private sector have lost their jobs. Unemployem­ent is higher than 16%.
c) I work in the private sector and I have to say that we work very hard. Longer hours and less money than in almost all european countries, whereas cost of living is higher.
d) it is not true that public sectors employees had so many benefits. The truth is that in the past, a part of their monthly salary was passed to extra benefits/c­ommissions­. This was a technicali­ty as to reduce insurance taxes for the state (insurance is paid on basic salary). This is why pension salaries are so low.
11:06 AM on 11/06/2011
You're right of course but you don't adress the reason why journalists and politicians blame wrongly Greeks and other southern Europeans. It's because they want to avoid to answer questions about their own responsability in this mess.

For instance, subprimes never existed in France but Nicolas Sarkozy wanted to create subprimes in 2007. It was in his program.
And the German dogma about the ECB is the reason why European problems haven't been solved months ago.
And the crisis was manufactured in New York, London and Washington DC in the first place.

So Americans, British, Germans and French (i'm talking about the elite, not the general population) are, of course, happy to blame the victim. It's so much easier than to take responsability for their actions. But I'm not sure the voters in these countries will fall for that
05:54 AM on 11/06/2011
While I agree, how can a Greek disagree, the global economy is a collective fault of systematic greed, greed has no boarders. Most Greeks I know are extremely hard workers untill they retire then they offer their thoughts of wisdom to fix the worlds woes. Greece does need a general fix in attitude taxes, law and order and the realization that the world does not owe them for eternity for their/our contribution to having been "the pilar of civilization". I think Kennedy said it well in "..ask not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country.." think they we're the words. Greece will rise again
as Greeks have resilience, this is not the first time we had been battered around, last time I recall it was for four hundred years. this will be an obvious test of what and how each Greek can remake their contribution and move forward with or without the euro.
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04:12 PM on 11/18/2011
I also believe that a large part of the solution does also lie inside Greece. It's wrong to think that the answer is more money (not saying you said that, by the way). It's only by taking an active role that the country can find its feet again. A lot of this will involve giving the tax authorities real teeth, and changing the mentalities so that Greek money can help fund Greek development.

If it's any encouragement, this month Irish banks reduced the reliance on bailout money by a massive €5 billion. Growth for the coming year is forecast at 1.1%, which is not bad given the flat forecasts elsewhere.

Also, there are exports such as Greek wine which are currently under-exploited.