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The Week That Was: Headlines Raped by Men Talking Bullshit

Posted: 26/08/2012 00:00

A lot of men had a lot of opinions about rape this week.

I say opinions. The majority of men in question framed their thoughts as fact.

A lot of women had something to say on the topic too, although bar Louise Mensch, it seemed no one really cared about their point of view.

I don't have a problem with the issue of rape being on the agenda. With conviction rates as low as they are, the more we talk about the issue, the better.

I do, on the other hand, have something of an issue with the tragically misinformed opinions being bandied about, in the main by people who have absolutely no idea what they are talking about.

George Galloway and Todd Atkin, I'm pained to admit, I'm dedicating yet more column inches to your hopelessly ill advised, ill informed streams of garbage.

I don't really want to. I'd like to rewind a few days, when I'd never heard of Todd Atkin, and Galloway was notable simply for being the only person in history to turn Celebrity Big Brother into a wise political career move. When the idea of 'bad sexual etiquette' meant rolling over and letting your partner sleep in the wet patch. And when a woman's right to choose meant HER RIGHT TO CHOOSE, not the Republican party's.

Here's a thought. While my Twitter feed is choked with their names and the blog sites I regularly visit aghast at their comments, maybe these two idiots have done us all a favour.

Yes, there are a few impressionable individuals who, gulp, might agree with what has been said, but the public outcry means anyone with half a brain cell is under no illusion about how a woman's body works and her right to say no.

Should that even be a consideration? Absolutely not. On one side of the Atlantic we have a man deemed intelligent enough to hold a position in senior public office with a seat in the Senate in sight (and, least we forget already a member of the House Committee on Science) without a grasp of basic human biology.

On the other, we have an MP and a household name, turning his adoration for self-publicity into a parody of support for Julian Assange with the most controversial comments he could come up with that particular day.

Does he even believe what he said? Or did he just realise the storm surrounding his comments would propel his weekly video views into the stratosphere and notch him up a slew of headlines.

In a brilliant column on Jezebel, Erin Gloria Ryan admits she has rape fatigue from the 'rape-related bullshit' flowing this week.

I am still at the angry stage, and angry we must stay until centuries-old attitudes are consigned to the fringes where they belong, and not on our TV talk shows.

 

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A lot of men had a lot of opinions about rape this week. I say opinions. The majority of men in question framed their thoughts as fact. A lot of women had something to say on the topic too, altho...
A lot of men had a lot of opinions about rape this week. I say opinions. The majority of men in question framed their thoughts as fact. A lot of women had something to say on the topic too, altho...
 
 
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loulou11
03:09 AM on 08/27/2012
You have added nothing new to this story and its been bashed to death already!
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Mother77
01:24 AM on 08/27/2012
Keep talking. It's not something that we have succeeded at having our full legal rights on and obviously there is a large enough part of the population that needs educating.
04:31 AM on 08/27/2012
"Keep talking. It's not something that we have succeeded at having our full legal rights on and obviously there is a large enough part of the population that needs educating."

Really? How so? What legal rights are you missing?

You have a right to abortion but that right does not in itself guarantee the state you live in will have a populate willing to tolerate it. All you then have to do is go to another state that is more tolerant. These are not hateful people. They have the desire to protect life from conception which is as selfless a cause as they come. These embryo's and fetus's won't bring you any reward for saving them.

The right remains, but he convenient access is not guaranteed.
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02:30 PM on 08/28/2012
The only reason the word "selfless" applies to the so-called "pro-life" agenda, is that those who adhere to said agenda would love to absent themSELVES from responsibility for the results. The so-called 'pro-life' movement has NO desire to 'protect' that life after birth. "Welcome to the New America: Where only fetuses and corporations are People, my friend...and everyone else is on their friggin' own."
Brought to you by the so-called "pro-life" movement, and Mitt Ryan. :)
That 'populate' you mention is the so-called 'pro-life' movement's whole agenda. Procreate until there are forty humans per square foot of earth, procreate until the food supply is completely depleted, procreate until every womb is completely and utterly exhausted, and every woman in America is Mrs. Duggar.

Selfless my ASS.
11:03 PM on 08/26/2012
To get a proper consensus, I think the sensible thing to do would be to discount all the views expressed against George Galloway's opinion as being ill informed or posted by wimmin and count carefully the number of people who agreed with him.
This would give a balanced conclusion that surely no-one could disagree with.
08:19 PM on 08/26/2012
Bandied, dear...not banded. Tch-tch-tch, 'Editor'.
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Neil Christiansen
Dogs never bite me. Just humans
07:16 PM on 08/26/2012
To denigrate Galloway in the same way as Akin is purely stupid, juvenile and wrong. You're mixing apples & oranges in a peculiarly vitriolic manner, alienating me & (hopefully) a lot of other people & this article most certainly goes in the pile of 'rape-related bullshit' rather than the pile of 'impartial and well-informed comments on the rape-related bullshit.'

...the tragically misinformed opinions being bandied about, in the main by people who have absolutely no idea what they are talking about...

A good sentence, but, alas, Ms Editor-in-Chief, a little too close to the piece that you've written. I'm angry that this piece appears here, in a paper that I largely totally agree with, rather than in the pages of some papers that I disagree on all points with.
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Paul Wagland
Resistance is fertile
06:11 PM on 08/26/2012
I'm fed up with people treating what Galloway said in the same way as what Akin said. You don't have to agree with either of them, but they are very different statements.

Akin is clearly factually wrong, it's that simple. Galloway is stating an opinion about what constitutes rape. Nobody has to agree with him, but we must all agree that there are some variables involved in the classification of sexual assault. If not, how come different countries have different rape definitions? Sweden alone has three different 'levels' of rape recognised in law.

The idea that 'rape is rape is rape' is just childish. An attack on a stranger in the street is a million miles from someone rolling over after a night of passion and trying their luck one more time. Particularly if the recipient of this attention is woken by the physical contact and does not say 'no thanks Julian'. Both may be wrong, but both are not the same.
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Nathan0316
TrueBlueTory Age quod agis
04:13 PM on 08/26/2012
The only worthwhile thing about the comments this week is that it forces the issue into the spotlight. By reporting on some people's frankly insane beliefs concerning rape we drag their views into the public arena and discover them for who they are, a bunch of misogynistic out-dated Neanderthals whose ideas need to be left where they belong, in the dark ages.

If someone says no, then they are no longer consenting to whatever act may be about to take place and that means it is rape. No amount of distortion, no bending of the rules, no bad etiquette defence can take place, it is rape. As for a woman's body being able to deal with an unwanted pregnancy on its own, does that mean every miscarriage is an act of murder? Because if it is, then the GOP seems to be advancing their war on women to a whole new level, one that should scare every female voter in the country into rejecting them on a grand scale.

No means NO, whoever you vote for. Remember that when you go to the polls in November.
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Don McLeod
02:18 PM on 08/26/2012
My issue is the unintended consequences of laws and policy promoted or sidelined by people who reject reason for faith's sake. If someone thinks, using our system 1 thinking processes, that raped women are innately able to stop successful fertilization what else to do they think. Do they use any system 2 thinking processes at all? Or is their thinking all guttural, knee jerk and reactionary. How much damage do they do to the economy and society making laws while trapped in our system 1 thinking processes. Should they be held accountable? They have the choice!
05:48 PM on 08/26/2012
That was my thought also. No-one whose belief system has compromised their reason to the extent that Dakin's clearly has should be in office. There is no knowing what damage they could do.
01:44 PM on 08/26/2012
We have a long way to go. There are still men who get into power who are uniformed on various social issues. The sad reality is our leaders are weak at times to condemn them.
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Edgar H
Keep the Press free!
12:58 PM on 08/26/2012
I totally agree with Carla Buzasi, the concept of Yes & NO is not beyond the wit of a child, it should be an easy concept for adults to grasp, yet appears difficult.

Children never give credit to parents, however let me give praise to mine. I now understand just how exceptional my parents were. They pointed at the open fire, said, 'burny', I didn't question them, I understood, I could feel the heat. When they said 'no', I grasped what they said and what they actually meant.

No means no! It does not mean maybe, or, oh! alright it's you - it means NO!

If you don't understand what I am saying, then buy clothes with velcro and slip on shoes.
12:00 PM on 08/26/2012
Rewinding a few days won't help. 'Rape fatigue' is a product of the perpetual re-surfacing of opinions of the Galloway/Akin type in mainstream political circles, apparently impervious to rational thought or previous condemnation. Both these men are sitting members of national governments. It demonstrates that the entitlement of women to equality is not yet firmly rooted in our culture, which is kind of depressing.
04:53 AM on 08/27/2012
"Rewinding a few days won't help. 'Rape fatigue' is a product of the perpetual re-surfacing of opinions of the Galloway/Akin type in mainstream political circles, apparently impervious to rational thought or previous condemnation."

Your comment implies you mean to control men through shame. People are free to think for themselves shame or not. If shame were all that were needed to bend the will of all of us there would be no heretics to set us free from the dogma of others.

Neither of these men's comments have anything to do with women's equality. At no point did any man declare women inferior in anyway or declare that they must be forced to have unwanted sex.

We had one man who said if sex is truly unwanted it will not result in pregnancy. The comment was stupid but it does establish women to be inferior, it simply assumed they had birth control powers they do not.

The other man declared that retroactive revocation of consent is invalid. That seems morally sound in my opinion. You can't change your mind on consent after the fact or declare rape because of some arbitrary precondition not being met. Imagine if a person was accused of rape for having lied to their partner about not having a boyfriend or girlfriend at the time. If sex were conditioned on that fact it could thus be interpreted as rape. We can't allow for conditional consent, it's YES OR NO not .. IF THEN.
11:35 AM on 08/27/2012
I was going to respond to this at first.  By the time I got to the end it was clear that it neither deserves a response nor would there be any point.  Horrible, my friend.  From start to finish. 
12:18 PM on 08/27/2012
No, check that thought. It is, after all, no more productive than yours. Here is what makes impossible any serious consideration of your comment.

"..We had one man who said if sex is truly unwanted it will not result in pregnancy. The comment was stupid but it does establish women to be inferior, it simply assumed they had birth control powers they do not.."

This is rhetoric. It is impossible to believe that a campaigning politician would say something like this without something materially wrong with the functioning of his conscious thought. Having this belief in the first place is stupid, not recognising that it will cause him enormous damage if he says it is the wrong bit of his brain responding to the question. I do not believe you to be an idiot, therefore you cannot believe what this guy said is merely a factual mistake.

Having said something that isn't credible, I must necessarily distrust your motives, and the truth or otherwise of anything else you say is irrelevant. I don't now if you believe it, so we cannot have a conversation.

"Imagine if a person was accused of rape for having lied to their partner about not having a boyfriend or girlfriend at the time. If sex were conditioned on that fact it could thus be interpreted as rape."

There is a decent point buried in these horrible words, but we cannot now discuss it. Rhetoric makes constructive conversation impossible.
10:32 AM on 08/26/2012
No is no, it’s that simple. Fed up of reading men, and some women, making these comments. They know best? Really? What if it happened to someone close to them?
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Paul Wagland
Resistance is fertile
06:00 PM on 08/26/2012
Neither of Assange's accusers said no. Not once.
06:53 PM on 08/26/2012
And you know that how? You were there? Wasn’t even talking about Assange, talking about all the idiotic comments and attitudes.
01:59 AM on 08/27/2012
Neither of them were ever required to. Nor can consent be retro-actively derived from behaviour that occured after the point at which consent should have been sought.
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Laatab
All The Worlds A Stage
07:43 AM on 08/26/2012
All I've seen this week is the flagrant sexism of women who really should know better on display. As a man I've been "Raped By Women Talking Bullshit" for years. It "feels" to me like you wont be satified with anything less than a carte blanche abilty to be able to make any accusations of sexual misconduct against any man and then be free to be outraged that the accusation is even in any way questioned.
04:53 PM on 08/26/2012
I read that article and simply couldn't find anything in it that approached your interpretation of her words.
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Laatab
All The Worlds A Stage
06:01 PM on 08/26/2012
Well dont worry it wont keep me awake at nights.