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Why Bother With Facts on Welfare When Fiction Is So Convenient?

Posted: 10/10/2012 01:00

Once again, the old myths and stereotypes about benefit claimants - or should I say "feckless workshy scroungers" - have been wheeled out as cover for radical proposals to cut welfare by a further £10billion.

Despite starting his speech by saying: "We're not going to get through this as a country if we set one group against another, if we divide, denounce and demonise", George Osborne went on to do exactly that - setting up division between "the shift-worker, leaving home in the dark hours of the early morning, who looks up at the closed blinds of their next door neighbour sleeping off a life on benefits" - which the Guardian followed up with a nice riff on why people might choose to keep their blinds down - between "young people who have never worked... and working people twice their age... still living with their parents"; and between "people in work [who] have to consider the full financial costs of having another child, whilst those who are out of work don't".

Of course, these are all stereotypes that play well with a certain strand of popular perception - but what's the reality? And what would cuts like the ones the government is floating actually mean for people on the ground? Because it's clear that this announcement comes at a time when those on low incomes are already struggling, and risks plunging even more children into poverty.

The Institute for Fiscal Studies has already forecast a steep rise in the rate of child poverty to 2020 on the basis of welfare cuts already announced. Despite the fact that many of these cuts are yet to be implemented - with 88% of the cuts still to hit - organisations supporting low income families are already reporting rising levels of poverty and hardship.

Here at Gingerbread, we've taken a spate of calls in the last couple of months from single parents unable to afford school uniform for their kids as they start the autumn term. And the food bank network run by the Trussell Trust helped over 128,000 people in 2011-2012, a staggering 100% increase compared to the previous year, and is now opening four new centres a week to cope with rising demand.

Let's take a moment here: Food banks. In the seventh richest country in the world. In the 21st Century.

Further cuts to families who are already - literally - on the breadline will be devastating. Over half of under-25s on housing benefit have children living with them; and what about the family with three or four children who are suddenly faced with redundancy - will they lose their child benefit and child tax credits overnight too because they didn't foresee a global recession when they had their children? And as the IFS has shown, in order to reach the £10billion figure proposals would need to go significantly beyond what was suggested at Conservative conference this week - who else will feel the axe when the full details are fleshed out?

It's vital that we separate fact from fiction: the vast majority of people who receive government support do so because they can't earn enough to support their families, or even find a job in the first place. Not to mention the reality of the low-pay/no-pay cycle at the bottom of the labour market meaning it's almost inevitable that many will churn in and out of work regularly rather than be able to find a secure and permanent job. Rather than taking support away from those who need it the most, the government must instead focus on creating more jobs and making work pay for everyone.

But not to worry, there'll be no dividing, denouncing or demonising as these debates play out and final policy proposals come forward in the coming months, because we're still "all in this together". So that's okay then.

 

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Once again, the old myths and stereotypes about benefit claimants - or should I say "feckless workshy scroungers" - have been wheeled out as cover for radical proposals to cut welfare by a further £1...
Once again, the old myths and stereotypes about benefit claimants - or should I say "feckless workshy scroungers" - have been wheeled out as cover for radical proposals to cut welfare by a further £1...
 
 
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yintwin
06:25 AM on 10/14/2012
The world unemployment rate is expected to rise. We've reached the end of our 'empire building' society and must come to a society of reasonable consumption, where we produce and consume only what is reasonably necessary. Globalization shows how we affect each other and can no longer attempt to gain at the expense of another, because it will boomerang back at us.

It is likely that with existing and emerging technology, it is enough for each grown up resident of the Earth to work 1-3 hours a day, and the rest of the time the entire population of the Earth, regardless of age, needs to learn how to live in an integral society. Governmental welfare can be provided to those who undertake such studies, in order for everyone to be able to contribute to society. To learn more about this sort of project, check out the following link.. http://ariresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/globalization-school_ari-institute.pdf
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davidprosser
07:06 AM on 10/14/2012
Couldn't agree with you more. Here's also a TED talk on the dire need to develop sustainability, not in some distant future, but right now:

http://www.ted.com/talks/paul_gilding_the_earth_is_full.html

From the description for the talk:

"Have we used up all our resources? Have we filled up all the livable space on Earth? Paul Gilding suggests we have, and the possibility of devastating consequences, in a talk that's equal parts terrifying and, oddly, hopeful."

The only missing piece from this talk, although full of scientific data, is what you suggest yintwin: The need to develop an integral society to accomplish the goal of sustainability.
10:46 AM on 10/12/2012
It's those bleedin' tory welfare scroungers I can't stand. Why should I fund their parties and Camoron and his cronies spare bedrooms? ...................not to mention their spare houses.
11:04 PM on 10/10/2012
Well of course they are false stereotypes. We all know that no one in the UK is on benefits who could be working and that absolutely everyone collecting disability is really unfit to work. It is clear that paying someone to stay home (paid for by someone else) that is only 10% less than they would make if they went to work could never be seen as an incentive to stay home - all of these people would jump at the very first job they were offered for that extra 10%
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10:36 PM on 10/10/2012
Most people on benefits are healthy adults that have NO children.

Your desperate attempt to twist stats to support your "benefits for votes" policies does not work anymore I am afraid.

Labour told healthy adults they were worthless and hid them on benefits in the belief they would be more likley to vote Labour when dependant than if they were working.

Pure evil.

Ill people and children need some benefits, but healthy adults need to work I am afraid, that is compassion.
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01:08 AM on 10/11/2012
You are correct. There is what's known as the "stick brigade" in society, that is plenty of people who are seen with walking sticks who definately don't need them. They tend to leave the sticks on buses, in shops, and walk and run with bags of shopping, having better mobility than people who have no sticks? This of course backfires on the genuine disabled person in society, who may be born with severe health problems at birth. Those who have never attempted to seek work, choosing to have children and live of the taxes of other workers has boomed in the past 30 years. I know personally of people who live like this, being a lifestyle choice, and explode if you mention the word "work" to them. This disgusting lifestyle, to freeload of the backs of others, was encouraged by the rotten policies of the corrupt ruling elite of the past 30 years?
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08:07 PM on 10/10/2012
The only reason this government keeps playing that card is because it's the only thing that's going to get them reelected unfortunately. Economy growth isn't going as well as they hoped and they know that this divide and conquer mentality has been lapped up by the public very well.

They've redefined 'making work pay' to 'making benefits pay less'. They do NOTHING to improve the lives of the average working person, no mention of the London living wage, actively freezing pay across the public sector so that you actually take home less, etc...

Osborne highlighted this very well when he mentioned the whole 'looking at your neighbours' skit. All he wants to do is make you "feel" better by ensuring that others are worse off. Nothing will actually change in the life of the working person (and if it does it's for the worse- pensions, frozen pay, easily dismissed by the workplace etc)....they'll just 'feel' better because they're neighbour is on the poverty line and considerably worse off than they are.

These politicians don't care about fairness...never have and never will. This is all for a smaller government. That's it.

One nation my....
06:56 PM on 10/10/2012
Some inconvenient truths.

FACT 1. 80 per cent of the 900,000 newly created jobs went to migrant workers.
FACT 2. The vast bulk of welfare goes on working tax credits, child benefit and pensions.
FACT 3. Unemployment benefit is £4bn pa, Overseas aid £11bn, EU contributions is £18.5bn
FACT 4. Working graduates under 25yrs can and do claim housing/child benefit.
FACT 5. MIgrant workers can and do claim housing/child benefit, working tax credit and JSA.
FACT 6. The work programme is a con. Very few over 25's are given training/work experience and the long term unemployed are given no help whatsoever.

Whilst I support austerity measures this demonisation of the disabled/unemployed is misplaced. If immigration was cut there would be less unemployment and more affordable housing. If the Lib/Lab/Con want open borders there are consequences.
07:29 PM on 10/10/2012
Alcohol/drug/cigarette consumption are addictions not lifestyle choices. Take away unemployment benefit and crime/suicide rates will rise. In April 2013 the unemployed will be required to pay council tax. Add to that the reduction in LHA/disability allowance and we have a recipe for civil disorder. Has IDS thought this through?
11:32 PM on 10/10/2012
i think civil disorder will be the last of their problems there's a lot worse than that just around the corner
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08:45 PM on 10/12/2012
Brentmeister27, fanned and faved.
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Lykos
Nobody Never Eat No Fifty Eggs
05:20 PM on 10/10/2012
4 unemployed to every 1 job. In a world where most of those jobs you need two of them to scrape by. The unemployed aren't workshy - the government are just being responsibility-shy. Their solution to a real problem is to pretend it doesn't exist and blame the most devastated by that problem for what they and their friends did wrong.
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04:45 PM on 10/10/2012
I don't doubt there are people on welfare who could and should work! A fair percentage will no doubt be undereducated and unmotivated, they remain on benefits because they can survive on benefits! Also there are no doubt many who would love to be employed and gain or regain a sense of pride in themselves, but would actually loose money by working!

The argument then goes back to whether benefit payments are too high, or wages too low! It is my view that since the decline of localised mass manufacturing that would have employed the majority of these people and given them a living wage, the only opportunities are part time and/or only pay the absolute minimum the employer can get away with.

Since those on benefits also usually get assistance with rent and council tax, some of which would be lost if they were employed. can one blame them for staying on benefits. They did not make the system, the politicians did!
05:16 PM on 10/10/2012
"I don't doubt there are people on welfare who could and should work

I found it difficult to read past your first line, then i thought maybe its a start of a good joke. But alas not, you actually beleive that?
One part i agree with that the "workers" would love to work again, thats the hard part for being made redundant.
however the oposite of workers are the work shy, the people who have never worked unless you call churning out 3 kids before you leave your own teen years or come age 30 and still not earned a wage, then yes i can blame them for staying on benefits, they give the genuine redundant workers a bad name which is oftern stereo across the board
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03:56 PM on 10/10/2012
Our curtains are closed to keep the heat in. I presume osborne does not have to worry about paying bills.
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asrobs
80 years experience
12:30 PM on 10/10/2012
CD you must accept that a large number of young girls make a life for themselves by having children and living off the state, this is the sort of person that the Gov. are trying to make stand on their own feet .
03:58 PM on 10/10/2012
Know this for a fact, do you, 'cos George in the Dog & Duck told you about his aunt's next door neighbour?
05:19 PM on 10/10/2012
is obvious that Asrobs is correct, too many young girls have used this free meal ticket for too long. We shall see if the birth rates rise or fall from teen girls or older ones that have never worked in years and keep churning out kids, if the benefits stop.
Why should taxpayers fund their need to breed
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cardiff1963
Free the Five
11:08 PM on 10/10/2012
Asrobs,sounds like he tells it as it is
12:12 PM on 10/10/2012
What annoys me is how they get away with propagating their sick strawman stereotypes on the BBC breakfast news and the so-called journalists let them get away with it, thus anyone watching might think that the only people who are going to be affected are the deliberate workshy which actually make up a tiny percentage (and they need help not homelessness) of the total.

The majority are decent people who are in dire straits through no fault of their own, meanwhile the government cuts tax for the rich. Not hard to see what their thinking is.
12:23 PM on 10/10/2012
The government have not cut taxes for the rich. The 'rich' are paying more tax under the Coalition than they did under Labour. Please check your facts.
02:00 PM on 10/10/2012
The top rate of tax has been CUT from 50% to 45%. That is a REDUCTION. What they claim to be doing is making sure more of the 1% pay it.
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Tony Booth
12:38 PM on 10/10/2012
they're not journalists, they're just part of the propaganda arm of the 1%.
in my humble opinion.
10:39 AM on 10/10/2012
disagree with use of the word poverty since it is defined relatively. Poverty is no food, poor education, no medical care. That said, successive governments have failed the very poorest. This starts with education. When you have class sizes of no more than 20, teachers can really teach without excessive workloads. When you are married to a teacher you know the amount of work they bring home. You have kids with homework and multiply by 30. Getting a good education will mean that there are fewer kids going into a life of crime. This will mean fewer burglaries. It wont stop all crime. But we will save a lot of money - better jobs - people more mobile and who can move abroad. am i being simplistic? check prison stats and i bet 95% come from the poorest in our society
09:31 AM on 10/10/2012
Genuine Welfare is cut to pay for the increase in Corporate Welfare. But the plan is simple, make people poor and too angry to think straight and then point at your chosen scapegoat and shout "Them". - It's worked before and it'll work again.
09:08 AM on 10/10/2012
Can you blame them and their fictionous representation of welfare? The truth wouldn't get them elected!
ByAndForThePeople
and corporations aren't people!
02:23 AM on 10/10/2012
It's comforting to know that "our closest allies" are as determined to destroy their middle class as we are. (Not!)