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MDMA and C4's 'Drugs Live'

Posted: 26/09/2012 16:50

Channel 4's drugs live programme this week is essentially a mini-MDMA research trial looking to explore what MDMA does in the brain, and especially whether these effects may have some utility in the management of distress.

David Nutt, courting controversy once more, has said that the work is near impossible to obtain funding for via usual grant giving bodies (at least in the UK - some European groups have conducted such research, and work is on-going in the US), and so engaging with a viewer chasing TV channel was the way forward.

As someone who has worked in recreational drug research for nearly 20 years, I'm very aware of the difficulties in getting research money to look at the effects of substances used by millions worldwide. However, I remain cynical about this particular project, in terms of the message it may send to some viewers about drug use (their own and others) and, separately, how this feeds into a continuing focus on a chemical-based approach to 'treating' mental ill-health.

There are problems with showing people having positive drug experiences on TV (whether live or recorded...not sure what the use of the term 'live' is supposed to add here - danger perhaps?). MDMA (as ecstasy) and countless other drugs are enjoyed by many people, but as uncontrolled substances vary in strength and content; and, especially in the UK, tend to be used at higher doses than any experiment will ever use, and very often mixed with other legal and illegal drugs.

Showing, over two days, that one of these drugs is ok, or even really quite good, in the artificial TV lab environment tells us nothing about the short and long term effects of taking it with a system full of alcohol, a few lines of cocaine, bit of ketamine etc. This will be something not examined in the programme, and something that has not really been seriously considered in any other proclamations from David Nutt or others about the relative safety of MDMA.

Looking at drugs in isolation gives us a very limited view for both the science of drug use and the perception of the safety of drugs amongst users and soon-to-be users. Our work at UEL, and that by many others, has shown that what we call 'poly-drug' use (use of more than one drug on one occasion and over time) is problematic for many people, and that MDMA as part of this mix may be especially so. My colleagues Andy Parrott, from Swansea University, and Derek Moore here at UEL, are both to be featured on the programme and will no doubt rehearse various points of this argument.

Now those involved in the programmes, and supporters, will no doubt point out that the programme is more targeted in what it wishes to explore. It's not about the fun and excitement to be had with MDMA (though the advertising contradicts this a little), it's about the possible benefits to seriously unwell individuals.

There are a few studies which have looked at MDMA as a treatment for negative mood states and most recently post-traumatic stress. There is some evidence that this drug may facilitate psychotherapy and I believe this is important research, that is being done already, and should be continued - without TV and celebrities. I think the case for the value of the media and the participants involved remains to be convincingly made.

One final point that I feel also needs a brief mention is that this programme may also reinforce some other potentially unhealthy behaviours, notably amongst scientists and psychiatrists (who are generally not the same creature). The treatment of serious mental health problems has a very dark history, which has seen the reduction of distress to the language of receptors and neurotransmitters, and the portrayal of pharmacology as the way forward. In recent years the poverty of direct evidence for neurochemical imbalances in the brains of people with mental ill-health diagnoses, and of the relative weaknesses of the chemical cure (especially for schizophrenia and depression) have shown the flaws in the standard psychiatric/medical model of managing such problems.

These trials with MDMA, though interesting, are also worrying from this perspective too; in part continuing this drug-focussed tradition, obsession perhaps, of those charged with helping us navigate madness.

 
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Mark Elron
02:29 PM on 11/21/2012
We have a multi-billion-dollar Ministry of Virtue and Vice 'fighting' a Mythological Social Condition, much as the Gestapo dedicated its existence to finding and destroying the 'enemies of the state' which seemed to multiply much like synthetic recreational drugs! Watch the Puritanical Ministry of Virtue and Vice (DEA) play Keystone Cops chasing The Evils of Independent Thought! Oh, the Humanities!! Science and objective critical thought are the Enemies of The Ministry of Virtue and Vice; Education is the Enemy of Fascism!!
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Monicalups
02:26 PM on 09/28/2012
Davud Nutt: his name says it all, really.
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09:10 AM on 09/28/2012
3) i think a major reason why this channel 4 trial is being done, is actually to show and educate people into realising that there is real potential in these drugs, but because of prohibition, this research is not being allowed to be done. if the government had done something before this show in order to relax the laws around the use of these drugs, then Professor David Nutt would never have had to talk to a TV channel. it just shows how ridiculously ignorant, intolerant, closed- and narrow-minded and frankly terrified people are about these drugs that really have the potential to aid our understanding of ourselves and disorders that agrieve us. come on, you must agree, this mind-set isn't getting us anywhere, those who have it, end up enforcing these notions and preventing research from happening, those who don't have it, become aware something is amok.

4) you mention users might be using MDMA at much higher levels in real life than in the experiment. i know of absolutely no trials ever that have administered 'much higher levels' of alcohol to participants in order to see at what point they start dying off. what IS your point? (read statement 1 again)
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honeynutcornflakes
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09:10 AM on 09/28/2012
1) im surprised and rather concerned that such an expert in the field of drug research such as the author does not fully appear to understand the point of using models in scientific research.

modelling depression: forced-swim test in rats
modelling spatial memory: Morris water maze in rats
modelling the effect of alcohol: administration of 1 drink in order to reach peak 0.08% BAC
modelling the effect of ecstasy: administration of 83mg of MDMA

not sure how the MDMA trial is so different in this respect.

2) what happens when mixed with ketamine? hey hey! hold up a minute, they've only JUST managed to do a trial into this drug, don't start complaining it's not complicated enough already, give them a chance! (although i do suggest you read Halpern 2011 if you haven't already)
11:09 PM on 09/27/2012
A pseudo scientific search for a magic bullet to help cure an enormous problem.

Life for many people is a dreary unrewarding monotony, thats why so many become depressed and stay depressed and its the same reason why most folk drink or take drugs in the first place.
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Tony Booth
03:36 PM on 09/27/2012
leaving aside the appalling production values of the show and the choice of jon snow as presenter, i thought they managed to transmit the information fairly well. i agree with your points on multi drug use but that's a big point for another time, this time it was medical aspects and it deserved to be aired. i take your points on previous pharma involvement in mental illness too but that's not a reason to not evaluate MDMA as a new solution. part of the problem here is lack of research and i look on this programme as a toe in the water to encourage more. not just MDMA either, the whole spectrum of recreational drugs needs extensive fully funded study. i read that psilocybin, MDMA and cannabis are being used in other countries (israel) to help soldiers with ptsd (for example).
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01:01 PM on 09/27/2012
“One final point that I feel also needs a brief mention is that this programme”
doesn’t appear to explore the matter in any depth. There are aspects of our consciousness and perceptive processes that desperately need fuller examination. Strange yet observable anomalies, that science seems to be afraid of. Perhaps for fear of being labeled heretics, to tenets of their belief system. However if we don’t explore every avenue, we risk missing out on techniques that could perhaps end a total reliance on ingested chemicals. With their concomitant risks and association with crime. Although itself not an exact science, science is surely a tool for determining what is actually there. Rather than imposing a set of contrived explanations onto that reality.