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Norwegian Massacre Man Breivik Diagnosed With Paranoid Schizophrenia. Is This Reasonable? What Does the Voice of the Internet Say?

Posted: 13/12/2011 23:00

"What's the difference between Andres Breivik and the Yorkshire Ripper?"

I know this sounds like the setup of a scurrilous, distasteful joke from Sikipedia, but bear with me; there is a point to this.

I was very interested to hear about Breivik's diagnosis of paranoid schizophrenia and the suggestion from experts that he should be sent to hospital, not prison. I am a Specialist Registrar in Forensic Psychiatry. I regularly deal with people with mental illnesses (including schizophrenia) who have perpetrated serious crimes (including homicide) and often submit recommendations to courts and judges about appropriate placements.

So as a professional, this story is right up my proverbial street.

However, as a blogger, I was more interested in the opinions and comments made about him, and his case on this website, and others.

Now, I must stress I absolutely sympathise with the horrific suffering the loved ones of Beivik's 77 victims must have endured. Clearly, his actions and beliefs are abhorrent. I'm merely examining the situation objectively from a psychiatric perspective.
I'm also making an observation. And that observation is that many people speaking on the internet seem to hold one of three strong beliefs.

1) Of course he is mentally ill, stupid! All murderers, fascists and hate-mongers of this intensity must be.
2) He cannot be diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia, because he meticulously planned this massacre, and a mentally ill person would not be able to do that.
3) By being sent to hospital, he's been given an "easy option".

1 is not compatible with 2, and 2 and 3 complement each other.
I politely (and I hope not too smugly) dispute all three.

Let's get to the crux of the matter.

What is insanity? What is evil?

Well, one could literally write a library's worth on each topic and still not answer either question.
Being malicious, hateful, and having hurtful, pernicious ideologies, and carrying out atrocious actions by itself is not indicative of mental illness. One could postulate that the subject's personality and character are warped. Sure. The diagnosis of a Personality Disorder could be made. There are many, but a Dis-social Personality Disorder is the most likely, which features include a callous lack of empathy for others and a violation of their rights. A diagnosis of psychopathy could even be made (check out my blog about what psychopaths are like). Personality disorders, by definition are ingrained and on some levels unchangeable. They are not mental illnesses, as the latter must be a change of one's normal mental state.

The vast majority of people who hurt, kill and hate are in control of their thoughts and actions.
Was Breivik?

Psychiatrically, having extreme views or ideas, however bizarre or unpalatable they may be to the rest of us, is not in itself indicative of a delusion. For example, Isaac Newton, stuck a needle into the back of his eye as an experiment. Maybe it was concussion from that apple, yet the man undoubtedly was a certified genius.

Delusions, by definition, are un-understandable, fixed ideas that are out of keeping with one's cultural background, and most importantly they must originate from a false, inexplicable source. He reportedly believed he was chosen (literally, not metaphorically) by a supreme power to decide who has the rights to live or die. This could potentially be a delusion, if the source of this idea was outside the realms of reality - e.g. from aliens, or a message from the television. This is one possible symptom of paranoid schizophrenia. Others include hallucinations (classically, hearing voices) and thought disorder (where one's mind is unable to sustain one topic without jumping to another vaguely related one). Breivik apparently spoke in 'neologisms', the vocal demonstration of thought disorder.

Some people with schizophrenia, especially with a chronic disease that has been under-medicated, may have a low level of functioning, but exceptions do occur. This was sensibly pointed out by Dr Rygnestad, the head of the panel of the Norwegian Board of Forensic Medicine, who reviewed the assessment. It is possible for people with this disorder, as well as other related psychoses such as delusional disorder, to be highly functioning. In theory, it is possible that someone who is psychotic could have the cognitive ability to write detailed manifestos and meticulously plan a massacre like Breivik did. Unusual, but possible. But then again, many things about this case are unusual. With paranoid schizophrenia, killing one person, let alone almost 80, is unusual. The majority of sufferers of schizophrenia are not violent, despite how they are often portrayed. In fact, the risk of self harm is higher than the risk to other people. Additionally, over 90% of violent crime is carried out by people without a history of a psychotic disorder.

Ultimately, I can't really comment with certainty on whether Breivik's diagnosis is correct without assessing him personally. Nobody can. I'm merely trying to keep an open mind. What I would say is that a diagnosis in such a high-profile case would not have been made lightly. I'm sure the forensic psychiatrists involved would have been experienced experts and would have looked at a plethora of other relevant factors, such as family history, previous psychiatric contact, and the presence of the prodrome (a prolonged unusual mental state, that's usually a harbinger of schizophrenia). A frivolous perfunctory conclusion for such a notorious patient, under such scrutiny is potentially career ending.

Given the easy option?

There is no doubt that Breivik will go to a high secure forensic hospital (the Norwegian version of Broadmoor). These can be very tense and dangerous places, that house some very ill people. All too often, assaults, bullying and a hierarchy of status occurs. I am reminded of the case of Peter Bryan, who murdered Richard Loudwell, due to the latter's offence (murdering an 82-year old lady), whilst they were both patients at Broadmoor Hospital.

Of course the ethos of hospital is to treat and rehabilitate. Their ethos of prison is to punish, hopefully rehabilitate. Care vs retribution. Patient vs Prisoner. They may sound different on paper, but in reality the lines are blurred (check out my blog on the criminal code of prisoners). I don't think this is an easy option, as such.

As many bloggers and commentators have pointed out, there is a maximum tariff for Norwegian prisoners, whereas in the psychiatric system, the client is not discharged until it is proven that they risk has decreased. For Breivik, this will be at the educated discretion of the forensic psychiatrists treating him, and is largely influenced by how his symptoms respond to medication and how his ideas and attitudes respond to intense and challenging therapy. If the system over there reflects the English one, my guess would be that he would not be released for several decades, if ever. If he does get leave, it certainly would be extremely gradual, and under heavy supervision.

If I was his doctor (which I'm not), I would want to at least attempt to rehabilitate him. If I was a relative of one of his victims (which I'm even more not), I would want him to suffer. Thinking about it now, I don't know which is right. Neither? Both?

The Yorkshire Ripper, Peter Sutcliffe, was convicted in 1981 for murdering 13 women, and attacking seven others. A confident diagnosis of paranoid schizophrenia was made, but due to the high demand of the public baying for blood, the judge ignored professional opinions of four psychiatrists, and sentenced him as a 'normal person'. He went to prison, against the doctors' recommendations. It seems Breivik probably will not. Sutcliffe's was a political decision, I fear, rather than a medical or logical one. Despite this, he was eventually transferred to Broadmoor Hospital nevertheless, though not before being horrifically attacked and cut across the face.

I'm sure that there is a significant cohort of opinionated people who feel vindicated by Sutcliffe's fate, and share this sentiment about Breivik. The internet is your platform. Feel free to rant abuse towards them. Perhaps you could admonish me for the audacity to question automatic brutality towards these men. If you're struggling to concoct material, please help yourself to any of the following stereotyped responses that I have taken the trouble to write on your behalf:

"I don't need a degree or any of that so-called 'training' to know he must be a raving lunatic."
"The guy is a monster. I hope he rots in hell."
"Bring back hanging."
And my personal favourite: "It is political correctness gone mad."

 
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03:10 AM on 02/07/2012
Having studied some psychology I thought I'd throw in my oar...

Even the most successful therapy with a treatable condition success is far from guaranteed. This applies even to patients with 'normal' depression - relapse is possible, even likely when a biological cause is likely.

Taking this to the extreme of a paranoid psychotic...

I recall that some key characteristics of personality disorders were that :-
1. Patients rarely have insight into their own problems
2. A long-term 'cure' is virtually impossible, as patients have no insight or motivation to change.

In the case of schizophrenia a cure is likewise a misnomer - all that is possible is medicating the problem to reduce the symptoms through regular drug doses (often with side-effects)

Sure, you if you medicate any patient (or criminal) with enough Thorazine they will be largely harmless and their symptoms in remission; but a week without regular drugs and their delusions and behaviour will return.

In an out-patient case the chances of fully monitoring and enforcing his drug compliance his at best low; and capability to long-term monitor his behaviour highly questionable.
Why on earth take the risk??

I know people want to believe that psychiatrists have all of the answers - but severe conditions like this are not 'curable' - ever.

Q: Have ever treated a paranoid schizophrenic with a history of homicide you wou'd trust with you grandchildren for the day, after he'd been off his meds for afew weeks ..!?
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12:59 PM on 12/15/2011
4) He inhabits a unique rendition of reality, as do we all. He is absolutely convinced that his rendition is actual reality, as most of us are. Given the nature of that understanding, the actions he has taken are perfectly reasonable and sound. Which is pretty much the same excuse the rest of us tend to use. Its only when we have to explain and examine the basis for our rendition, that the sane ones concede the presence of those discrepancies that appear.
10:25 AM on 12/15/2011
You know what? He knew what he was doing...he knew exactly what he was doing, and if one of those kids had been yours, this article would not sound so flippant. Brevik kills 77 people and he gets therapy!!! Re-habilitation??? He should never enter society again, EVER! He shouldn't even be here at all. If this was Texas, he'd be dead!
09:04 AM on 12/15/2011
The voice of the internet says that was convenient that makes his whole reason for doing what he did
meaningless because the balance of his mind was disturbed ,the fact that he had planed a precise military opperation did not seem to come into it ,and the fact that he was part of a group who were trying to draw attention to the flood of immigrants the government let into the country.

There is very big concern about the immigrants but the government wants to keep that quiet because they have a biodegradable lead free and non violent society ,the easy way to distract people away from a serious situation is to say he was mentally deranged ,and no one else was involved ,well you would have to be deranged but it does draw attention away from large organised groups with serious
financial backing !
12:33 PM on 12/14/2011
I would like to point to the case of Micheal Abram who viciously attacked George Harrison in his own home and very nearly killed. Abram was released from a high security hospital only 2 years after he was sentenced after very succesfully responding to treatment.
I am aware (via personal sources) that he continues to live independently and is for all intents and purposes "well".
If one looks into the details of that case it is apparent that Abrams very complex and powerful delusional system was entirely responsible for the actions he took, Abram thought Harrison had possessed him and that he was on a mission from god. Abrams Paranoid Schizophrenia was totally untreated and in the subsequent deconstruction of what had happened it came to light services had missed many opportunities to intervene.
It's quite obvious that the severeity if Breiviks crimes are likley to mean he will never be released and that it's difficult for ley people to understand that somebody could plan and execute such a horrific crime whilst being mentally "unstable". However as he is/was suffering from a severe and untreated mental illness, imagine if he were treated and then was no longer a threat, why shouldn't he be released eventually??
11:44 AM on 12/14/2011
Personally I reckon he's as sane as anyone else, open court would give him the platform to air his views and the authorities want to avoid this at all costs, its easier to lock him away under the chemical cosh for life seeing as theres no death penalty. It amazes me how many of those holding extreme views not conforming to the general opinions are stuck with the "madman" lable, some are insane but I doubt all are. The likes of Breivik will be incarcerated till forgotten, let out in old age or succumb to drugs and madness simply by the company they'll be in for years, others like Gadaffi, Hitler etc are disposed with in situ, far too dangerous and charismatic to be allowed a second chance or for their supporters to rise against the system again. Cant wait for the responses to this one.
10:23 AM on 12/14/2011
Although it's a natural human response to want somebody who has committed horrific acts to suffer, this gut response should have no part in criminal justice. It may be necessary to protect society by permanently removing some people from it, but detention should always be humane and involve treatment for mental health problems. Any society which bases its approach to horrific crimes on a need for 'revenge' becomes debased, with a spiralling lack of respect for human life and wellbeing.

People calling for the reinstatement of capital punishment should look at those countries who use it and ask "Is their crime rate lower?" "Is that society really one I'd like to live in?" The answers are almost certainly "No".
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10:01 AM on 12/14/2011
Fascinating feature, thanks for explaining the difference between personality disorders and mental illness.

Your automated responses tickled me too!
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01:56 AM on 12/14/2011
His ideas could not have been given an airing. He's not the first and unlikely to be the last one in this category.
12:03 AM on 12/14/2011
Maximum security, isolation and whatever pills he needs, for life. I am thinking about the victims' families he left to suffer for the rest of their lives.