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David Icke: What Went Right?

Posted: 29/10/2012 23:00

David Icke famously said after he first spoke out nearly 25 years ago out he couldn't fill a phone box. This weekend he spoke to a sold out Wembley Arena for nine hours. Which begs the question, what went right?

Let's get that 'R' word out of the way first, shall we? Any discussion on Icke will inevitably prompt those reptilians to rear their scaly heads. That's understandable and a reason he's been a ridicule magnet for so many years. I am not going to defend every intricacy of every claim Icke makes. That would take forever. Moreover, get to the heart of why, much to the chagrin and derision of many, he only continues to rise in popularity.

In 1991, post-Wogangate, Icke was laughed out of town but rather than sink in sea of humiliation and shame the former sports journalist got back on his horse. For those whose knowledge of him begins and ends at 'shapeshifting lizards' he has spent the last three decades as a full time researcher travelling to and speaking in over 55 countries. To date he's published 14 books. He calls himself a 'dot connector' and seeks to get to the underbelly of what makes our world tick behind the big curtain.

So. In terms of his increasing audience and outreach, is he just a very canny snake (or reptile?) oil salesman whose bizarre offerings naive, crazy people willingly lap up? Or does - perish the thought - Mr Icke actually talk, you know, some sense about things and people are recognising that?

It seems the latter could very well be the case given much of what Icke has talked about for years continues to manifest as truth; he predicted the financial crash of 2008, the increase of natural disasters after the millennium and has been saying for years that Jimmy Savile was a predatory paedophile. Yet, of course, endured endless flack for it. Icke is being proven right again and again so maybe it's no wonder his audience only continues to grow.

One only has to throw a cursory glance around at society - governments lie, our media illegally hack into phones; establishment corruption is rife. As a global populace we are rightly becoming more jaded and disenfranchised with those who supposedly serve us and from whom we seek information about the wider world. Corporate media is plummeting and independent media flourishing. Given the increase of personal epiphanies and snowballing distrust of reining authority, that Icke's work (and the work of many of his researcher peers) resonates with so many is no surprise.

I was one of the many who scoffed and laughed at David Icke's early theories. Daft man. Wacky ideas. Consign him to the loony bin.

Then I began to investigate his recent work. Then investigated what his work investigates. Radical it seems at first, but the further down the rabbit hole you go, the quicker your overcome your cognitive dissonance, the more you independently study what Icke picks apart and analyses (the economy, religion, politics, human history) you realise that, bloody hell, perhaps this man could have a point. Many, in fact.

Is he eccentric? No doubt. Is he right about everything? Possibly not, however Saturday's Wembley Arena event was a serious indicator that after decades of being a soft target and the butt of endless jokes, his research and ideas are being taken seriously and for one 'nut job, deluded conspiracy theorist' that's a lot of people to have hoodwinked.

 

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05:19 on 11/11/2012
Ellen, you don't need to justify your comments, thoughts or writings. Don't SPEND your time with insignificant people, INVEST it with worthwhile ones!
for the 911 believers ask the following;
Why was all the crime scene evidence of the steel shipped out to a Chinese scrap metal merchant immediately?
Why were the reports of bombs going off before the planes hit, in the basement ignored by the reports
Why were there no videos of the impossible maneuver ("not a chance" by Boeing) of a 757 hitting the Pentagon? even though it was the worst crime against the most secure building in the country? What happened to the seven cameras that cover the accounts and budget section that was hit? Where did the plane go? Into the 20' hole? Then why were the upper windows still intact for over 30 minutes even though the tail is over 40' high? And they were hit by an 'airliner' traveling at over 600 mph?
Why were the non-existent crime scene evidence plane parts 'handed back to United'? to clean up and reuse? The Lockerbie 747 was still with the AAIB till 3 years ago? There is so much evidence of lies it is overwhelming.
14:52 on 04/11/2012
What's more interesting about Icke is the link between mental illness and him, as well as his followers. Which often sounds more like windows into personality disorders than any great 'awakening'.

Interesting article here -

http://franticplanet.wordpress.com/2011/02/10/my-greatest-fear/
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21:17 on 04/11/2012
Wow, clutching at straws now are we? Was the article you referenced written by a medial professional ? No, it's the ill informed opinion of a blogger. A subjective, biased diatribe dripping in such deluded self assuredness that it's hilarious in the writers actual ignorance. "Icke regularly “opens the doors of perception” by taking hallucinogens and going on three-day-long drug trips." Err, no he doesn't, he took ayahuasca once. That is all.

As I've repeatedly stated, this article was NOT to support every claim he makes but to explore WHY he's only expanding in popularity. My argument was rational, balanced and fair. Why you are going to such lengths to insult, discredit and cast aspirations about the mental health of a man who (whether you like it or not) is opening many people's eyes to hidden corruption, systemic child abuse and other issues we should ignore at our peril, I don't know.

As for the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. Icke is NOT an anti-semite. There is a difference between 'Rothschild Zionism' as he calls it and the Jewish people. Icke constantly praises Jews who do not support the Zionists treatment of Palestine. Was he was wrong to think they were genuine scriptures? Yes. Can we, however, deny much of their contents are unfolding before our very eyes? No.

Dislike him by all means but the evidence speaks for itself: Icke has been bang on the money too many times to laugh at anymore.
21:56 on 04/11/2012
"No, it's the ill informed opinion of a blogger. A subjective, biased diatribe dripping in such deluded self assuredness that it's hilarious in the writers actual ignorance. "

I see the self-awareness classes are going well.
22:06 on 04/11/2012
Which part of The Protocols of the Elders of Zion do you think are happening/becoming reality?
10:52 on 04/11/2012
Not commenting on him using 'Protocols of the Elders of Zion' as evidence in his work?
14:54 on 04/11/2012
She tends not to comment on matters she can't really deal with - see also comments on Darwin article.
00:14 on 03/11/2012
Nice post, it's good to see that articles are starting to be written about the phenomenon of alternative theories instead of the theories themselves. It shows that more and more people start to realize that mainstream media's reality might eventually be manipulated.
Still there is a big question : if people "wake up", and conspiracy theories finally end up to be true, how will we know it is not a trap?
08:30 on 02/11/2012
Here's one book David Icke has probably read and you find the roots of the whole despicable world government theory (fact). It was written in the 18th century. Proofs of Conspiracy by John Robinson. Free to read on-line at forgottenbooks.
01:41 on 02/11/2012
Go Ellen. We need open reporting. I think you deserve credit for thinking, and reporting in an open minded manner. If newspapers were filled with like minded journalists their sales would go through the roof, instead of plummeting like they are.
22:16 on 01/11/2012
It's quite simple. Open your mind by letting go of learned, rigid dogma and read "Human Race Get Off Your Knees" (hopefully you'll have the balls and tenacity to finish it).

Following David Ickes’s philosophy in no way should be interpreted as "worshipping David Icke.” So when David Icke gets "his" belief system wrong it doesn't spoil ANY of what his philosophy has to offer.

His philosophy is to look at EVERY piece of information available. His philosophy is also to welcome ALL conversations on ANY subject. His philosophy is to have an open heart and open mind to all possibilities of reality.

I know by reading his work of Compiled Information that he doesn't want me to "believe" what he "believes". He just wants me to see what he has seen and make my own decision about my own flowing belief system. Period. "They" require dogma and rigid belief systems to control the many with inhumane tactics and systems of power.

I will forever be grateful to David Icke and the many other “compilers of information.” Thank you for putting these ideas in front of me and letting me make my own decision on the reality I find myself.

Join me in the search, by letting go of dogma and opening up to new possibilities of reality. Love.
20:40 on 01/11/2012
Ultimately he's a cult figure, in the true sense of the word. And also - he is a business. He's sold a lot of books and tickets at £60 a go. He's doing very very well out of this.
23:17 on 01/11/2012
He was a succesful and wealthy TV presenter. He obviously had a strong sense of conviction to give that up in order to be mocked by society and be considerably less wealthy. As Icke said himself , until the last few years he would struggle to fill a phone box !

I laughed about his opinions until i actually listened to him speak. If you want to inform yourself , check out his speech to the Oxford union. You may be surprised.
19:09 on 01/11/2012
Please research what he says about 'The Protocols of the Elders of Zion". For starters. "Bless him" though.
16:32 on 01/11/2012
Hi Ellen,

May i suggest you read David Talbot's "The Holographic Universe" .....the journey begins with the
work of David Bohm,an eminent quantum physicist and Karl Pribam a pinoeer in neuroscience.
David T. then goes on to provide multitude of sources,many from Science and Medicine....deals
with many holographic signature subjects from multiple personality disorder to Mirin Dajo.
Once you see that the Universe and everything in it is indeed a hologram then quite frankly
David's theories on the Reptiles and such may be just the pinhead of all possibilities............
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17:01 on 01/11/2012
Thank you for the heads-up, I saw his Wembley talk and he referenced that book often - it did pique my interest. It baffles me why people refute the holographic universe theory when it was on the cover of New Scientist magazine! What is happening in current times is that ideas about the nature of reality which were/are seemingly oddball and 'out there' are steadily becoming proven by pioneering science and physics. Only a few weeks ago the Guardian reported Stanford University researchers confirming consuming young blood reverses aging. Hmmm..!!
20:15 on 01/11/2012
"seemingly oddball and 'out there' are steadily becoming proven by pioneering science and physics" Proven? You have the loosest definition of proven. How do you define 'evidence' btw? Peer reviewed, backed with data? Are these similar to your theories you referenced in the Darwin article?
08:46 on 02/11/2012
Ozone therapy is also used by many people enabling longevity. It increases the level of oxygen in the blood. See Ed McCabe.
17:46 on 01/11/2012
May I suggest she doesn't. May I suggest she lays off the bong and gets out of bed.

"Only a few weeks ago the Guardian reported Stanford University researchers confirming consuming young blood reverses aging. Hmmm..!!"

What on earth are you suggesting this proves?
23:11 on 01/11/2012
Presumably that their is an obvious incentive for consuming young blood to a certain type of individual. No more , no less. Thats pretty obvious .
02:19 on 02/11/2012
RA45.....So leading quantum physicists today,Susskind and Hawkings must be on the
refer as well.They will tell you that the maximum information held in any 3 dimensional
volume of space is the sum of the 2 dimensional surface area as in the event horizon of
a black hole.That is a Holographic signature...The Fractal nature of everything in this
Universe is also a Holographic signature....
Of course you could suggest that nobody reads anything to enlighten themselves
apart from what you read which keeps you in your little box of beliefs and comfort
blanket.
14:52 on 01/11/2012
Well said! Good show.
13:24 on 01/11/2012
This by default means that the Madrid, London, Bali bombings were also staged because if the US government covered up 911 and used Al-qaeda as the fall guys then the other attacks were probably not Al-qaeda either. Looking deeper, you will find declassified CIA documents that show al-qaeda was a CIA operation against the USSR in the 1980's. In the 1960's the CIA considered flying jet liners into skyscrapers to start a war with Cuba (operation northwoods). Looking further, it is admitted by the mainstream media as well as alternative sources that al-qaeda is being funded and supported to help drive away "evil" regimes in the Middle-East for the purposes of democracy and peace in 2012!!!!

Come on people, wake up and smell the coffee. The World is not like what they told you. Please do some independent research without "checking the credibility of the sources" because the only "credible" sources according to mainstream thought is CNN, BBC etc. This isn't going to be a simple or easy task but you must seriously rethink your definition of credible. People like Alex Jones, Icke, Mark Passio and others are trying to help you/us to wake up. I suggest anyone reading this comment should go and do some actual research on this themselves and check the validity of conspiracy theories for yourselves.
Instead of shooting the messenger(s), it would be a better idea to shoot the message instead.
12:44 on 01/11/2012
Ah, I see. Ellen is in control of which posts go onto the replies. So she'll cherry pick the ones that go on which support her, and delete those which she can't answer.
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12:56 on 01/11/2012
Excuse me? I have NO control over what replies get posted here - that is entirely down to the HP moderators. I have only looked at replies to the article today, I am unaware of any you may have had removed - that you have had suggests they were probably in breach of their posting conduct.
23:21 on 31/10/2012
It's not like Ellen to completely miserepresent anything. E. G - Darwin. Not a bright person at all and perhaps a classic example of 'A little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing'

Icke a complete opportunist - his whole schtick is completely borrowed from other conspiracy theorists and his "Moon matrix theory" is just laughable.
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12:32 on 01/11/2012
You clearly didn't read this well enough - did I say Icke was right about everything? No I stated he probably wasn't and the crux of this article was to analyse why he is only increasingly in popularity despite ridicule from the mainstream media, not to defend every claim Icke makes. I am on the fence about many myself, the moon matrix theory is one of them.

To posit his work is 'completely borrowed from other conspiracy theorists' is lazy, wrong and suggests you know little about it. Have you actually been to one of his talks? His work is often backed by (yes! ) mainstream physics/ science.

Accelerated globalisation, encroaching police state, stealth-like centralisation of power, the crony banking system - things Icke has talked about for years are happening NOW. But why bother with this when it's easy to poke fun at his 'reptiles / moon theories' which only encompass about 1% of his work?

The MSM make it easy to dismiss those with even a little curiosity that perhaps our world doesn't operate how we're programmed (by them and governing bodies) into believing. It's healthy to question things, seeking answers elsewhere. Anyone who expresses even a modicum of interest in Icke or other alternative researchers work is instantly tarred a 'conspiracy theorist loony'. Utter nonsense. Those I know who explore his work are critical thinkers capable of independent thought who know that society's staring global, financial and social enslavement in the face and needs to wake up.
12:57 on 01/11/2012
Hi Ellen, pretty good article much more balanced than the typical mainstream crap out there. I agree that Icke is probably wrong about a number of things and he has clearly once crossed the line to insanity and back. His early association with Theosophy is very disturbing to say the least and the idea that sentient reptiles ones ruled the world was borrowed from Blavatsky. Many of his early predictions were wide of the mark, I suspect he took channelled info seriously, obviously a huge mistake. His earlier flirtings with anti-semitic material are also not very encouraging. However he is now a much more balanced individual with well-reasoned arguments backed up by the latest scientific research and ancient writings as well. I do believe that the time has come for people to listen to him as he has come a long way from the semi-crakpot he once was and he has clearly made a difference in this world particularly by exposing the psychopats and child abusers that appear to be running the world. Satan is of course a reptile as clearly evidenced by the bible (that great dragon, serpent, etc...) and his claim that demons possess people is not exactly a novelty, why on earth would most religions have full-time exorcists otherwise. Additionally his views match that of a lot of religious figures, chief exorcist of the vatican or the founder of Falun Gong for instance. Chris
17:50 on 01/11/2012
"Anyone who expresses even a modicum of interest in Icke or other alternative researchers work is instantly tarred a 'conspiracy theorist loony'. Utter nonsense."

This is pretty much how you describe yourself in your own profile?
04:21 on 31/10/2012
Just a common or garden anti-semite.
23:41 on 01/11/2012
Again , listen to his opinions in their entirety.

If one criticises the inquisition does that equate to anti - catholicism ......?

The persecution of Catholics equals anti - protestantism.....?

Must dissatisfaction with the oppression of Palestine be construed as anti semitism ?

Personally i'm sick of people hiding behind religion to excuse their abhorrent behaviour.