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It's Time Dr Starkey Got The Chop

Posted: 2/03/2012 23:00

As someone with a French mother, watching Dr David Starkey on the BBC's Question Time left me both shocked and appalled...

...that he had spotted our evil Gallic plan to destroy America and the UK. Ze b***ard! We would 'ave got away wiv it, if it were not for zat pesky historian.

Oui, it's true. Since 1944, la belle France 'as been systematically trying to destroy your stupide country, wiv your disgusting liberating armee zat sullied the streets of Paris, and trampled our bee-utiful French campagne. Were we grateful zat you freed us from ze Nazis? Non! We were getting ready to do it ourzelves, wiv our armee of ze invisible tanks, and our airforce disguised as ze fluffy clouds.

You stupide Brits, you ruined all ze fings! So, disgusted at ze shame of being liberated by ze Allies, we plotted ze revenge against you. Over ze past 40 years, we 'ave infiltrated your nation and undermined ze vital infrastructure of Britain. Margaret Thatcher? Zat was us! 'Er real name is Jeanne and she was just a simple peasant girl when we took 'er from 'er home, and trained 'er to learn your ignorant ways, before sending 'er undercover to les Tory party conferences!

Zis is not all, my fat English chums! Le Binge-Drinking? My idea! Katie Price aussi. We 'ave also been funding le warfare asymmetrique through l'homme qui s'appelle Simon Cowell. Ee iz a genius, non? Ze way he makes you so disechanted wiv ze concept of music iz totalement magnifique. Toutes les problemes avec la Britain moderne, zey are caused by le government Francais... avec l'exception of ze England football team. Zat required no help at all.

OK, so I'm being silly, but silly is the only justified retort to Dr Starkey's absurd rant. If he is going to be ridiculous, I may as well be ridiculous in kind. As a person of French descent, I was not particularly angered by the professor's wildly conspiratorial accusation that France is suffering some sort of collective shame, now manifested in passive aggression that requires it to sabotage the political efforts of Britain and America. This is, obviously, gibberish. What angered me, as a public communicator of history, was a reckless coupling of historiographical over-generalization with outlandish political xenophobia from a man who ought to know better.

Disappointingly, Dr Starkey was aiming at a valid point. When asked if Britain should intervene in Syria, he emphatically denounced the idea, saying that liberators can be misconstrued as conquerors - a fair point, though not an insurmountable obstacle - and that, in the case of France in WW2, the nation was left feeling embarrassed by its reliance on the Allies to emancipate itself from Hitler's grasp.

Not satisfied with this surprising argument, he then embarked on a bizarre monologue about France "spending the past 40 years doing everything they can to obliterate the shame, by damaging Britain and America."

This is simply ridiculous, and for a noted academic and broadcaster to lower himself to such ignorant slander is troubling, particularly when called upon as an expert historian to answer a question of vital importance.

There was a strange irony that also on the debate panel was Clark Carlisle, the articulate and thoughtful footballer. We hear a lot these days about footballers being role-models for our young generations, and it is great to see one who dispels some of the stereotypes. Alarmingly, while not necessarily a role-model himself, Dr Starkey seems not to comprehend the responsibilities placed upon him by society. The role of the public intellectual is to engage the populace with ideas, to challenge misnomers, and to promote evidence-based critical thinking. Historians are guardians and interpreters of our heritage, but they can also be sage advisors on policy pitfalls.

The UK has a Chief Medical Officer and a Chief Scientific Advisor, yet disappointingly there is no Chief Historical Advisor. Calls for such a thing have come from the excellent History and Policy group, an interdisciplinary organisation housed by the Universities of Cambridge and London.

They work as closely as they can with government and the media, attempting to inject evidentiary reasoning into political rhetoric. As one of the nation's most famous historians, Dr Starkey should be amidst their allies, yet his performance on this edition of Question Time and Newsnight last year suggests he is actually damaging the reputation of historians. His statements in both cases were prejudiced in bias, and wildly unfounded in evidence. More worryingly, they were communicated with a familiar hostility. This is, after all, the man who called a teenage pupil in Jamie Oliver's education-based TV programme, "so fat, I'm surprised you can even walk." This is not conduct becoming an esteemed historian.

We, the media, may be partly to blame. Dr Starkey is a brilliant Tudor specialist but through the eager prompting of Channel 4 and the BBC, he has become one of the most familiar faces on our screens.

His reputation for rude arrogance and catty putdowns has earned him a place as go-to commentator on all facets of current affairs. Most historians have a broad knowledge of the past, and a keen interest in politics, but none are experts on everything. There has long been a tradition, continued by the brilliant Professor Mary Beard, of classicists being consulted on modern matters, but while Professor Beard has occasionally challenged the status quo, she has never sunk to the exaggerated rhetoric of Dr Starkey's slur against the French, or denigration of Black culture as inherently damaging on Britain. The truth is, he is simply not qualified to talk authoritatively on many subjects, but through our urging, he has found himself being constantly rewarded for generalised sensationalism.

Dr Starkey seems to have strong political views of his own, which he wilfully cherry-picks from history to defend, but tellingly he is often the only historian on a debate panel. History, as a discipline, is dialectical. It works through opposition and attrition, with punch and counter-punch there to gradually broaden the understanding of the often contradictory past.

Without another historian to counteract his statements, Dr Starkey's statements stand unopposed. As a viewer of Question Time, I enjoy an undercurrent of passion in the debate, but I believe Dr Starkey's communication skills have become overly bombastic, and his insight often lacking in nuance or genuine depth.

The nation is blessed with many exceptional historical minds, and it would be surely a better thing to call on expertise when relevant to a particular subject, and substitute Dr Starkey for a less aggressive scholar when looking for broader historical analysis.

Put simply, like Sir Thomas More, I think it's time Dr David Starkey got the chop. Not literally, mind.

 

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As someone with a French mother, watching Dr David Starkey on the BBC's Question Time left me both shocked and appalled... ...that he had spotted our evil Gallic plan to destroy America and the UK. ...
As someone with a French mother, watching Dr David Starkey on the BBC's Question Time left me both shocked and appalled... ...that he had spotted our evil Gallic plan to destroy America and the UK. ...
 
 
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Ben Wilson
11:39 AM on 03/07/2012
I kinda liked him on Question Time last week. He sure can talk too much, but he's passionate, animated and not afriad to speak his mind. He was more right than wrong too, he knows his stuff and I can't rubbish an Englishman for being comically cynical about France! Most of his views you can put in the catagory 'unpopular but most probably right.' Most historians are eccentric and it's hard to digest what they say because it tends to be loaded with this thing called evidence and void of the buzz words and play it safe politcal rhetoric. They make us think a bit too much and if we dont agree it's hard to conjur up and equal amount of valid evidence with resorting to politcal BS.
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01:12 AM on 03/05/2012
Prof Starkeys views on the liberation of France and the countries shame on being indebted to the allies is obviously a personal opinion exclusive to him, although I agree that no country likes another country liberating it from it's perceived oppressors and replacing it with it's own ideology as seen in Iraq or Libya. As he states only a country can FREE itself, for the enemy within shares the same creeds and values of heritage which are a common link which binds the people together, which no external liberator can understand. I would have agreed with him more if he had said Germany was plotting revenge, considering I have experienced the pleasure of economic SANCTIONS and obstacles in obtaining a British passport, which is a violation of my human rights?
04:19 PM on 03/04/2012
All the Pros and Cons articulated about Prof Starkey are irrelevant. Bad behaviour is bad behaviour and we do not wnat to see it on television or elsewhere. It gives a bad example and denotes an acceptance of lower standards and a lack of courtesy in public affairs particularly when it is indulged for controversy's sake to improve audience viewing figures (or sells newspapers).

Why should Prof Starkey be tolerated just because he is an Academic. Please BBC, as Greg Jenners article says, "give him the chop". There are plenty of other more mature public figures (and Academic) who can take his place.
02:54 PM on 03/04/2012
My Father who passed away last year would say Mr Starkeys history was flawed at best. He does remember fighting alongside the French and proclaimed they were as brave as any man to walk the war, (his words) anyway he said we and France nearly became one country in the 1930's and that only Dr Goebbels mis truths to us and the French prevented it later ie we deserted them and ran away at dunkirk and he told us they all surrendered without a fight, both lies, but our present media tend to forget along side people like mr starkey. Give me AJP Taylor anytime.
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Thismortalcoil
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02:42 PM on 03/04/2012
I don't always agree with Starkey but he is always incredibly entertaining to watch. He gets people to stop and think, if only in order to challenge his view, and his (admittedly bombastic) delivery.

I wish the Huff would get Starkey to write some blogs.
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mmartini54
Roll on 2015!
12:54 PM on 03/04/2012
He's a tiresome, tiresome man.
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GingerlyColors
No will to change it, no right to criticize it
09:18 PM on 03/03/2012
Dr. David Starkey for Prime Minister!
08:31 PM on 03/03/2012
Starkey spoils any desire to know what his opinion is by his immediate (he doesn't build up to it) default setting of 'What I'm about to say is thr truth; if you agree than that's fine, but if you have a differing opinion, you're automatically wrong, no debate necessary'.

How he's never been decked I don't know! The way he spoke to the man in the audience who accused him of propoganda was disgusting. He didn't even try to intelectulise his answer, and then patronised women! Two in one hit.

I'm sure he's very capable in his field, but he shouldn't be asked along to give his views on the present, he has no more insight or rational thought than the average taxi driver.
06:50 PM on 03/03/2012
Dr David Starkey is a very intellegent and learned man. Some of what he says may be mis understood in the political correct times we now live. I definitely do not believe he is anti any ethnic background. He states things as they are and sadly some people at the first chance they get jump on the band wagon shouting racist, it's only to be expected I supose.
12:45 PM on 03/03/2012
People who are offended by David Starkey - or any other public figure for that matter - need to get a thicker skin. It is quite clear that Starkey makes an impact on these programmes. He makes audiences laugh, tells things as he sees them and he makes a welcome exception to the usual bland panelists. Why ban him?

What is far more worrying than Starkey's alleged whatever-it-is-phobia is the level of what Starkey calls 'slushy sentimentality' to which many politicians have reduced themselves. The main culprit on Question Time was Labour MP Rachel Reeves. She had no economic arguments to support the 50p tax, could not answer John Redwood when he asked why revenues have gone down, and so she resorted to the usual sentimental propaganda about how "ordinary families and children are suffering". Starkey's opinions don't matter at all but the Shadow Chief Secretary's opinions matter hugely. If Labour want to be trusted on the economy, they've got a lot of work to do.

As for Clark Carlisle, nice as he is, what did he actually say? See earlier comment about bland panelists. If historians are pompous enough to say that Starkey is not 'qualified' to comment on some things, why are they not complaining about Clark Carlisle talking about the NHS and interventionist wars - hardly his areas of expertise?

I'm quite happy for bland MPs and commentators to appear on Question Time. But please don't get rid of the few interesting people that we occasionally see.
02:54 PM on 03/03/2012
I'm not really sure I would consider myself offended by David Starkey. I just feel that as a historian of great renown, he should be more measured in his statements. I don't particularly mind his rudeness, and I agree with him on several matters, but I think a historian's duty is to call attention to the complexity of the past, whereas he seems to do the exact opposite.

Yeah, Clark Carlisle is not the world's most insightful thinker, but he's not supposed to be. I know he's on there to boost ratings, but he's apolitical and an eloquent representative of general feeling in the country.
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12:15 PM on 03/03/2012
I'll try again then.

The problem with Dr Starkey is that he takes a seed of truth and surrounds it with a water melon of extrapolation and political opinion. He selectively takes facts which support his view and ignores those that do not. Entirely the opposite of how a historian should behave in my opinion.

It's a shame because if he wasn't so shrill and hysterical he often offers an interesting interpretation. of
12:05 PM on 03/03/2012
I had hoped for a more nuanced perspective. What of Rwanda? What of Sierra Leone? There were more recent, and more relevant, case studies for a historian to call upon. Using France as a primary example felt strangely dated in the age of the internet, and in the wake of the Arab Spring. When Dr Starkey said people should free themselves, I agreed - the work of Gene Sharp has proven it is effective - but in the face of escalating war crimes, can we really deny innocent civilians safety because we don't want to deal with the political repercussions in 40 years time?

It's a really complex conundrum, and I just felt that, as a historian, Dr Starkey tried to over-simplify it with brute force, rather than carefully unpacking the situation to reveal the inherent dangers.

I'm not sure how I feel about intervention in this case. It seems that leaning on Arab diplomatic weight may be more effective, but it is hard to see the death toll rise day after day.

Thank for your comments, though. Much appreciated.
12:04 PM on 03/03/2012
Thanks for your thoughts. For the record, no I don't want to stifle Dr Starkey, I just want him to behave with more restraint, and yes, I do indeed believe the French have struggled with Vichy Syndrome. My French relatives were Jewish and some, except my grandma, were sent to death camps. This has been hard to mythologize for the French people, and it is something that must be borne in mind when discussing international intervention in a foreign conflict. I believe Dr Starkey was nearly onto a good point, but his sudden attack on the modern French government was unjustified and unbecoming of a historian of gravitas.

English Tory, you and I disagree on politics, but I doubt we disagree on the importance of rational argument in a debate such as this. Dr Starkey should have made his point with clarity, instead he used the same aggressive rhetoric we have seen from Tea Party candidates. I do not particularly object to Dr Starkey's political opinion, though I do not share them, but I am disappointed by the way he chooses to make his points.
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12:00 PM on 03/03/2012
Starkeys use by broadcasters as a controversialist tells us much about their ambitions to create a flashy light show with every debate programme. Shedding light on anything is of no interest to them whatsoever. They just want fireworks.

Even Radio 4 pretty much reduces every debate to "in the red corner... , and in the blue corner..." and this is what passes for discourse now, accurately reflecting the dismal two-tone political system we stagger along under the yoke of.

Good luck being a voice of moderation and reason. If you're going to offer such insights as:

"The role of the public intellectual is to engage the populace with ideas, to challenge misnomers, and to promote evidence-based critical thinking."

Which is beautiful and intelligent sentiment, you'll not be invited along.
09:45 AM on 03/03/2012
The subtext being that you don't like Starkey because you don't agree with his analysis politically and would prefer to stifle him. That's nice....
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03:27 PM on 03/03/2012
That's a fair accusation, but even when I agree with Starkey he's got that 'Dawkins' thing about him where he's so sure that he's right that he tends to insult those who disagree with him.
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mmartini54
Roll on 2015!
12:57 PM on 03/04/2012
The comparison with Dawkins is unfair. Starkey is much less polite and articulate. People take offence at Dawkins because they don't like what he represents. People take offence at Starkey because he's a rude man.