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Iain Duncan Smith: The Father of Four Who Wants to Provide Bread for Just Two

Posted: 26/10/2012 00:00

Work and pensions secretary Iain Duncan Smith has four children. As a wealthy man, perhaps it is fortunate that he has no need to rely on child benefit to feed them.

IDS wants to see child benefit capped at two children per family, believing that there is a booming industry of 'baby farming', where families are deliberately having children in order to milk riches from the public purse.

At present, all parents with young children are given benefit worth £20.30 a week for the first child and £13.40 for each subsequent child.

Lurid headlines about workshy families living in luxury paint a picture that few social workers who engage with them would recognise. In June, Eric Pickles trumpeted a £450m crackdown on a group of 'problem' or 'troubled' households said to cost the taxpayer £9bn. Social workers reacted strongly at the time to the notion of 'trouble-shooters' being sent in to households to 'eyeball' families. The report that this policy was based on, authored by 'Troubled Families Tsar' Louise Casey has subsequently faced claims of unethical inaccuracy by lecturer Nick Bailey, and pressure from the Full Fact organisation has led to both The Sun and The Daily Mail having to run corrections on the story.

Think about how much food you could put in a shopping basket for £13.40. That's before you even think about buying clothes or anything else that a child might need. Even if a family had ten children, that would still only be just over £100 per week extra, which doesn't go very far when you have multiple mouths to feed.

The reality is that child poverty is on the rise in the UK. The Child Poverty Action Group is currently predicting that child poverty will rise to 4.2 million by 2020. The Eye of the Storm report, published jointly by the Children's Society, Action for Children and the NSPCC,warned in July that the number of children living in vulnerable families in Britain is likely to rise to over one million by 2015. Six out of ten of these poor children are living with a working parent, another statistic that the government chooses not to publicise when it aims its sight on 'troubled' families.

BASW has previously warned about the dangers of bringing back Victorian notions of the deserving and undeserving poor, and this is yet another example, spreading the myth that people deliberately have children in order to fund an alternative lifestyle.

Bridget Robb, acting chief executive of the British Association of Social Workers, is keen to point out that far from the workshy stereotype; many families are forced to claim benefits because of the impact of the recession.

"Political rhetoric is frequently targeting the poorest and most vulnerable. The traditional working class, without work, are increasingly being described by politicians almost as if they have no place in our society", she says.

"Where is the government's evidence base for claiming that people are deliberately having children in order to claim more benefits? Conservatives may be seeing their stance as a potential vote winner, but it simply is not a picture that we recognise. Our members are seeing more and more children and families sliding into poverty, and all more cuts will do is put more strain on public services that are already at breaking point."

Ms Robb also feels that by relying on rhetoric rather than evidence, the government is potentially placing children at risk, as there are numerous different types of families in society, and many people are likely to find themselves in family units with multiple children that they hadn't planned for.

"When people forge new relationships, both partners will often have children already, where will a cap on child benefit leave such families? Kinship carers, where a relative in a child's wider family choose to foster them, are also likely to lose out. The more children you have, the more they cost, so it is not as if the household income increases in real terms. This is yet another attack on low income families, and it will be the children who will bear the brunt of it. All this policy will do is punish children for being born," she concludes.

Social workers report that the recession is putting families under increasing pressure. The number of children being referred for care proceedings has reached record levels, and the NSPCC has seen an 80% surge in calls on neglect in the last 18 months. Food bank charity the Trussell Trust recently said that it has fed almost 110,000 people since April, compared with a total of 128,697 people during the whole of the financial year of 2011/12. We know from our members that demand for social care services is increasing. In our recent survey, 54% of the 1,100 UK social workers questioned said their caseloads were "unmanageable".

These are the statistics that should most concern the government, but it does not suit their political aims. Just as its 'troubled families' initiative lumped together outdated and inaccurate statistics about people who have ticked boxes such as having previously claimed disability benefit or having had mental health problems, and equated them to a 120,000 person strong threat to society, so too we now have these claims about families with more than two children being on the make.

When IDS talks of people 'cutting their cloth' according to their circumstances, he forgets that many people will have planned their families before the recession, when they could afford them, and will be no longer able to afford them without state assistance when they have lost their jobs through no fault of their own. What are such families supposed to do with these 'extra' children now?

Iain Duncan Smith has four children. He is lucky that he comes from a privileged background that equipped him to live a privileged adult life in turn. Not everyone is so fortunate, and who decides how many children are enough?

The government should instead focus on easily accessible family planning services, supported by good GPs and health care staff, and on helping poor children to escape poverty, rather than demonising large families.

We don't currently live in a country that practices population control, and the poor children that the government seeks to punish simply for existing are already here and a part of our society. We can't send them back, nor should we wish them away.

 

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Work and pensions secretary Iain Duncan Smith has four children. As a wealthy man, perhaps it is fortunate that he has no need to rely on child benefit to feed them. IDS wants to see child benefit ca...
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06:44 PM on 11/28/2012
if those people who refuse to work want more kids then good on them but don't ask the tax payer to pay for them to have child after child, if it's against their religion to use contraception they should ask the church to give them money to raise them, i'm sure they will be told by the church that they don't have the money, well neither does the government or tax payer so either use a rubber or get sterilised or tell your boyfriend - partner - husband to get the snip, maybe all those single women with 4 or 5 kids by different men could ask the sperm donors to stop spending money on themselves and pay for the child's upkeep or am i asking too much
01:04 PM on 11/28/2012
Sorry, sterilisation, sterilise, but I can spell BENEFIT, and have just sent IDS a 20 page email outlining why my Pension Credit is only just enough to keep me in the lap of poverty, and why I think I deserve more after contributing to the system for nigh on 40 years, why I am entitled to more than an Eastern European, or any other immigrant that has contributed nothing but takes everything!
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06:24 PM on 11/15/2012
Maybe it's different in the UK but in Canada it's common for families on welfare to have as many kids as possible so that you can get better benefits and bigger houses. I totally agree that people should have as many kids as they can afford and want but I think that if you are already on welfare you should not get extra benefits for extra kids.
08:46 PM on 11/22/2012
And the kids can just starve, right? That'll teach 'em to have poor parents! Did you even READ the damn article?
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03:35 PM on 11/23/2012
Yes I did read the article and I stand by what I say. No I wouldn't want the kids to starve but there has to be an alternative to the thought process thats goes" well I don't work and I don't want to work so the best way to improve my station is to have more kids that I won't pay for but someone else will." If the mother uses birth control and the father uses spermicidal condoms the odds are getting pregnant are very very small, if you know you can't afford more kids do not have them. But as I said maybe it's different in Britian maybe you don't have welfare cheats that create a huge tax burden for the middle class and working poor.
12:31 PM on 11/28/2012
No, that will teach them to have ignorant, shiftless, workshy wastes of space for parents!
10:12 PM on 11/24/2012
It's the same in the U.K. Some people on welfare have kids simply to move up the housing list, others have them because they just decide to have unprotected sex, the more kids they have the more difficult it is to get a job that pays more than their benefits. Bring back the days when you only got child benifits for one child.
03:42 PM on 10/29/2012
Good article.

The lower classes are not being thrown under the bus now -- they were thrown under the bus in 1979. Now they're having the bus driven over them repeatedly, and the middle class is about to join them.
03:27 PM on 11/04/2012
u talk crap.IDS is right.
07:53 AM on 11/24/2012
You are right. Punishing kids for being poor is immoral. Alan is wrong and so is IDS.
02:15 PM on 10/28/2012
Its not the governments responsibility to endlessly fork out for peoples lifestyle choices. It already provides a lifetime supply of condoms and contraception through the NHS why should it pay more?
12:59 PM on 10/28/2012
You really have to admire the way the government & the press/media have so sucessfully manage to turn all the lower & working classes on themselves as demonstrated by reading some of the comments below, its so much easier & seemingly more pleasureable to kick down rather than look up, it obviously makes more sense to save a few million by punishing the poor than to claw back the £100+ billion in tax evasion by large corporations, & yes there will always be some people who fiddle the system & there are laws against this, if they are caught, they are punished, but should we really penalise all for the sake of the few? for example sould we imprison everyone who works in a bank because some of them are on the fiddle? that would be ridiculous wouldn't it.
IDS has four children that means he is entitled to claim the same amount for his children as you or I & I am sure he does, after all I heard Kenneth Clarke MP on question time saying he spends his winter fuel allowance on Clarat. finally luckily for me, I do not use the benefit system, I have never called the police or fire brigade & I have never been to hospital but I am so glad they are there because who knows when I may have to use one of these fantastic services that we have in this fantastic country of ours.
07:13 AM on 10/28/2012
Deny benefits for three or more children and what is the outcome? Families will struggle so much that their only option will be to put subsequent children into the care system. Can anyone truly imagine having to make such a Sophie's choice in Great Britain? Once in the care system, which we all know to be diabolically inadequate for the needs of children, the costs to the tax payer will skyrocket. Foster carers get approximately £130 - £220 per week depending on the age of the children involved, the cost of building/renovating childrens' homes and staffing them will add on great costs.

Has anyone considered the billions upon billions squandered on wars in the Gulf, in Iraq, in Afghanistan and Libya?

Depriving families of a meager amount of money is scapegoating a section of society and shifting the blame for economic crisis from those who are responsible to those who are in fact the ultimate victims.Would you adopt these unwanted children? Or support an increase in abortion made legal for economic poverty? This is the thin edge of the eugenics wedge before enforced abortions for the poor. By kite flying these proposals this government, (and no doubt the next Labour government will not rescind these ideals) it hardens attitudes and deliberately redirects a seething anger and resentment towards the most vulnerable.

Anger and resentment that should be directed at those who are responsible for the economic crisis. And it is not the low waged, the disabled or the unemployed.
03:19 PM on 10/27/2012
IDS is a brave man. He is doing the right thing. Those on benefits should be forced to through the same consideration as those who are in work before having babies. Politicians who are in denial about people who have children inorder to claim benefits are not naive but they are telling lies. Changing the benefit system is extremely complicated and I admire his determination to stay in this job instead of accepting an easy life.
02:11 PM on 10/27/2012
if you dont like what you know about them, then report it, stop moaning and just do it
"were all in this together"

http://campaigns.dwp.gov.uk/campaigns/benefit-thieves/
12:27 PM on 10/27/2012
IDS is a nasty pice of work. He's the kind of guy who, in 1944 would hold down a day job as a concentration camp commander, go home after a hard day's work gassing inferior races, kiss his wife, play with his children and go to church every sunday. A psychopath with no awareness of cognitive dissonance.
03:25 PM on 10/27/2012
It is well known fact that there are plenty of people here who purely have children in order to lash the benefit system. Condoms are easily available and even the thickest of people know of their existence. There is no excuse whatsoever to keep popping out babies and expecting the taxpayer to fund them.

IDS is merely saying and doing what needs to be said and done.

Perhaps you should fund a large family near to you if you feel so strongly about it.

Where you live, in the dump that is London, 4 out of every 10 children born are born to immigrant parents. Given the amount of them greedily and desperately clawing at the freebie benefits bonanza set up by the Labour filth, is it any wonder that the native taxpayer is sick of this situation?

IDS is doing the right thing; he is putting the native taxpayer first. Hopefully, this will be the first of many, many policies which destroy benefits for the intentionally and terminally work shy and immigrants, none of whom are entitled to a single penny.
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01:16 PM on 10/28/2012
"It is well known fact that there are plenty of people here who purely have children in order to lash the benefit system" .Where on earth do you get these "FACTS" from? cause we keep being told be the media & polititians that "these immigrants are over here doing the jobs that us idle Brits are too lazy & ignorant to do" so if they are all working so hard where's the problem. It is a fact however that over 74% of those claiming benefits are in work, it is also a fact that there are 2.7 million people unemployed & there are half a million vacancies, so you do the math. Maybe after 2 chidren we should start putting them down after all they're only lower class "PLEBS" who should remember they're place.
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11:57 AM on 10/27/2012
What goes around comes around,The people of this country have REAPED just what they SOWED. There are plenty of FREELOADERS who chose not to work, breeding families instead and living off of the taxes of the rest of us, and now their experiencing the repercussions of their greed and corruption. I know of people who explode at the mention of the word work and who've got kids, attacking the REAL worker and state they'll never work. Of course this is a by-product of the EVIL policies of Thatcher the milk-snatcher, who encouraged this generation of Freeloaders to live of the backs of the civilized decent working people of Britain. I as a REAL worker was given the generous CHARITABLE state SANCTIONS of £4.00 a day for 6 months to live off of in 2005-06 and was ready to get another healthy doze in 2009. No SANCTIONS for the lazy degenerates in society who are always pleading POVERTY. Of course to WORK in this country was turned into a DIRTY word by the Doublespeak of Thatchers government, the workers gained nothing and the FREELOADERS gained everything?????????????????
01:43 AM on 10/28/2012
putting it in caps doesnt make it true, just accentuates the hyperbole
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12:04 PM on 10/28/2012
I take it you're ONE of the freeloaders who never received the generous state SANCTIONS of £4.00 a day after paying taxes for years into the corrupt state system. After all, that's the only people who will ignore the TRUTH?
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10:53 PM on 10/26/2012
Take a look at who has gone bust in the last 2 years, including now argos who will be closing 70% of their stores and putting everything online. (See link below) it all well and good telling folk to get a job, and adjust your spending, simple fact is jobs are being cut, salaries reduced, my company has laid off 100's and those that are left had to take a pay cut of over £3,000. The truth is cost of living is rising, jobs are going, so are salaries...are the rich in power say to those with very little....have less, live on less, and get used to being poor. http://www.retailresearch.org/whosegonebust.php
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10:34 PM on 10/26/2012
Politicians born with a golden spoon in their mouth do not understand what poverty is all about. Some fortunate few rise from poverty and become rich. When you cut child benefit you are punishing children. If as a society we decide to adopt third world countries method where there are no welfare benefits what so ever and become a society that has no compassion, then shame on all of us. We can afford to give 12 billion in foreign aid but cannot afford to feed children. We can afford to fund EU budget by the billions and support bureaucrats in Brussels. The children are the future generation of this country. Think for one moment 100 years from today all of the British population living as of this day will be dead with a few remining that have achieved the age of over 100 years. My suggestion replace the benefit with food stamps as adopted in America those food stamps will be used to buy food only. Some irresponsible parents use the money to buy cigarettes and booze.
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06:28 PM on 11/15/2012
sorry to bust your bubble but the food stamp program does not prevent the food money being wasted. Go stand outside any grocery store in the US on welfare cheque day and you can buy food stamps for less than 50 cents on the dollar. Wayyyyyy better than coupons.
09:51 PM on 10/26/2012
Sometimes the old ways are the best,the man used to have money taken from his wage packet to give the wife the family allowance she got in a form of benefit.Pay only for your own countries children , and we will save a fortune without harming our own,and not everyone elses