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There's No Such Thing as 'Traditional Marriage'

Posted: 07/02/2013 00:00

It was a relief for me that the Commons voted so strongly in favour of gay marriage - not because I'd like to marry a woman - but for peace of mind that our politicians have not been time warped along with Richard III.

The so-called traditionalists, who claimed that allowing gay marriage would alter centuries of marital custom, don't know what they are talking about. The form and purpose of marriage is constantly being reinvented.

Like any societal or linguistic change, there are always resistors. But evolution is natural and results from changes in attitudes, desires and choices of the people. Nowhere is this more true than romantic relationships.

In researching my next book, F*ck the Fairytale, which examines modern models of relationships, I've found that increasing numbers of adults are abandoning 'traditional' models (the fairytale relationship, as I call it) and creating their own individualised dynamic for long-term relationships.

I put 'traditional' in inverted commas because what is historically seen as traditional marriage, is not what gay marriage opponents have in mind. What they see as 'traditional' is the heterosexual, monogamous, co-habiting, love-based, life-long union. In fact, the only time in history when this has been sustained and universally aspired to was one lonely decade - the 1950s. For most of history - from the beginning of civilisation until around the Victorian era - marriage was about practicality, inheritance, family ties and political relationships. Yes even for the working classes.

Not only that, for most of human history and in most cultures the most widely accepted model of marriage was polygamy, which is also the family structure most referred to in The Old Testament.

Opponents of gay marriage say that the opening up of marriage to homosexuals would cause problems for teachers and churches in explaining the meaning marriage to children. Well, this is no fresh problem. Sociologists have long struggled to find a ubiquitous principle. Go on, see if you can spot a pattern: In polyandrous societies a woman can marry more than one man. In polygamous societies a man has multiple wives. In some societies a woman can take another woman as a "female husband". In parts of China and Sudan children can be married to dead relatives! In Iran temporary marriages can be granted for as little as one hour. Tricky isn't it?

Commentators have dubbed the result of Tuesday's vote as one of the greatest historical changes to marriage. That's not so either. As historian Stephanie Coontz makes very clear in her book, Marriage, a History, the most consequential change to the way we conducted our marital lives and built families was when, in the early 19C, youth demanded a say in who they could marry.

"Heterosexuals revolutionised marriage and in doing so have paved the way for gay marriage. Two hundreds years ago people started to think love was important to marriage. One hundred years ago they began to think sexual compatibility was important. It was only in the 1930s that married couples had the right not to have children. Then in the 1970s, the 'head and master' laws, that gave men the final say in all household matters, was repealed. All these things that would have prevented gay marriage are the things which have been overcome in heterosexual marriages."

Just like the ruling on gay marriage, there were also vicious opponents to love marriages. People thought it would disrupt the foundation of society. But, just like 200 years ago, people power thankfully succeeded in pushing aside antiquated customs to make way for more socially relevant ones.

In researching my book, I have been astonished and enlightened to find such a rich tapestry of modern relationship models that resemble nothing like the mythical 'traditional relationship'. The goals, rules and interactions of romantic unions are now so wide and varied that they are becoming even more difficult to define.

We can no longer say pairing up is about starting families for I've met several women who've chosen to become mothers alone through sperm donors. I've met gay and straight men and women who've agreed to become platonic 'co-parents'. Marriage no longer necessarily means sharing daily lives for I've come across many married couples who live apart. Marriage is not always even about a sexual relationship if you an asexual couple. To them commitment is about finding an exclusive, trusted, but non-sexual partner whom they feel enough affection to share a life with. Their love does not need to be consummated.

Nor is marriage about calling time on sexual variety as there are plenty of in-love couples who have open relationships. For some marriage still isn't about love. A surprising number will admit their wedding vows were for financial or pragmatic reasons.

Resistance to gay marriage is a tell-tale sign of our obsession to box marriage and commitment up. It is the indoctrination of the fairytale happily-ever-after ending which causes such unrealistic demands on relationships. The more we allow couples (or groups, if that's your thing), gay or straight, to define their own dynamic, the more easy marriage will fit the zeitgeist.

 
 
 

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It was a relief for me that the Commons voted so strongly in favour of gay marriage - not because I'd like to marry a woman - but for peace of mind that our politicians have not been time warped along...
It was a relief for me that the Commons voted so strongly in favour of gay marriage - not because I'd like to marry a woman - but for peace of mind that our politicians have not been time warped along...
 
 
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09:49 PM on 02/10/2013
The 'one man/one woman' argument is entirely bogus. In the 12th and 13th centuries in Britain, the Church had at least two marriage ceremonies which were designed to marry two men together. Marriage has never been static.
11:53 AM on 02/09/2013
There is no such thing as traditional marriage? ONLY to those whose lives it would prove a burden. The responsibilities of sharing a life with someone else and bringing up children in a balanced way can best be achieved by people who have sight of the other's needs over those of themselves. If I could bring myself to accept @gay' Marriage I would insist that this should apply too. Sadly the majority of celebrities and journalists in my experience and perception have driven themselves there on their own egos. And for them relationships are infatuations and fatuous paradies to inflate the said ego. Don't listen to 'commentators' who are passing bandwagon hip ideas to many too lazy to think for themselves, ask yourself 'what can I give to a relationship ' not 'what am I entitled to!'
Mistress Croydon, I don't think you would recognise traditional marriage if it hit you between the eyes, so do what your type usually do and write a book about being an author...if you are one.
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03:06 PM on 02/08/2013
Back in the day, people had farms, crops to grow. Instead of hiring people in your town to work the farm, you had kids. A bunch of them. Yes there was those few people who you find who seemed to be in love with their husband such as "Martin" writes about below. But it not the rule. Thinking marriage works today like it did back in the 1900's, or 1950's is crazy thinking. People pick companions now. They aren't to serve all areas of a persons life. I think people need to open up and be honest with themselves and their mates and reassure those threatened by someone coming into the relationship that fills a need unmet with both the husband and the wife too. We'd all be doing so much better. But we like scandalous TV shows, and we are risking too much to be truthful. so we won't ever stop being dishonest with our mates. Children today are needed for getting power over the other. Usually the man. Not for helping on the farm any longer! Kids today for the most part are not assets. Just expensive and really so very, very messed up by the time they are 18. Why? Because their parents never loved each other, and they were conceived by two immature, game playing, insecure, drunk people who never liked each other ever at all. And they let the whole world know that too.
11:24 AM on 02/08/2013
Of course there have been different forms of marriage in different countries over thousands of years, but they were all between men and women. There have been cultures where homosexuality was tolerated and even quite approved of, like ancient Greece, but no one ever supposed that two people of the same sex could marry. The reason is that marriage has always been associated with children, and homosexuality is sterile.

The idea that marriage for love only came in 200 years ago is silly. Here is the Puritan poet, Anne Bradstreet, writing to her new husband in about 1650:-

If ever two were one, then surely we.
If ever man were lov'd by wife, then thee;
If ever wife was happy in a man,
Compare with me ye women if you can.

I prize thy love more than whole Mines of gold,
Or all the riches that the East doth hold.
My love is such that Rivers cannot quench,
Nor ought but love from thee, give recompence.

Thy love is such I can no way repay,
The heavens reward thee manifold I pray.
Then while we live, in love let's so persever,
That when we live no more, we may live ever.

"Have you not read that He who made them at the beginning made them male and female, and said, 'For this reason a man shall leave his father and his mother and be joined to his wife and the two shall become one flesh'?"
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08:52 AM on 02/08/2013
There is one matter that a same sex marriage does not take into account. Under S.12 of the Matrimonial Causes Act 1973, a marriage is voidable unless it is consummated. Unless the physical act is undertaken then either party can have the marriage annulled. Why is this do you think? Well, simply put, fundamentally, marriage is all about the propagation of the species maintaining uniformity of parents in a stable relationship. Admittedly, divorce has seen a dilution of the last principle. However, the general ethos remains the same. I have yet to meet a homosexual who can answer this question.. . If all of humankind were to become homosexual would,within a 100 or so years would there anyone left?. As a lawyer I supported civil partnerships. Any co-habiting couple should have the same legal rights as those who are married. Re-defining marriage, on the other hand, is an unnecessary next step and negates a sanctified institution. It simply is not necessary and it loses the focus as to why marriage exists in the first place.
09:30 AM on 02/08/2013
Marriage is not about propagation of the species, quite the opposite is true, a man could have far more children if he has many wives, which is a reason why during our primitive histories we embraced men having many wives, because men were going to have sex with these women regardless, and it was in the best interest of the species.
You've also chosen to ignore those people who choose not to have sex, and those who cannot have sex, as well as those who do not or cannot have children.
As the author informed you marriage historically were not about what they have become about, they were used as tools, mostly to join families together for mutual benefit.

As to the evolutionary point to which you remark with everyone becoming homosexual, answer this better question, if homosexuality is bad for the species why does it exist at all?
If it were negative for the species then natural selection would have filtered it out by now, it's existed for millennia, homosexuality must be to the benefit of our species otherwise it wouldn't exist.
Seeing as you're a lawyer I would have thought you'd do your due diligence and read what Parliament has proposed, including removing consummation from the law of marriage.
09:32 AM on 02/08/2013
I don't think we need to worry about the species, do you? We're pretty rife as it stands. You've used a lot of flowery language there and pointless hypotheticals-what is the purpose of imagining an entirely homosexual population? This doesn't prove your point. Although I'm not entirely sure what your point is. Marriage is about babies so gays aren't allowed? I know plenty of people who marry and have no intention of having children. Where do they come into it? These gay couples will exist regardless, we are simply allowing them the EQUAL RIGHT of being being married in the eyes of a God they believe in. Section 12 of the Matrimonial Act 1973... have you failed to notice, it is in fact 2013. Perhaps the rules are outdated? Perhaps the use of all this legal jargon is simply to disguise a very narrow minded view?
04:07 AM on 02/08/2013
Lots of people are asking if marriage between a man and a woman is a good and worthwhile 'tradition' or not. If yes, why does it need any change? If no, why the desire by previous non-participants to join it?
10:43 AM on 02/08/2013
>JP
Well said; exquisite logic, Sir.
11:01 AM on 02/08/2013
Thank you Piripero!
11:07 AM on 02/08/2013
Whatever they call it, marriage between a man and a woman is marriage between a man and a woman. Marriage between two people of the same gender is marriage between two people of the same gender. Changes in the law won't change that. Or will it become illegal to mention gender in future, to make all marriages 'equal'? Will it become illigal to write 'John yesterday married his girflfriend of X years', and instead have to write 'John yesterday married his friend of X years'?
12:42 AM on 02/08/2013
Why are people saying its a 50's idylic to be married for life. Maybe its just that there are a lot of people who believe in fidelity, who have moral values that they would like to uphold and like to set as a good example for their children. My paternal grandparents were married for 50 years before my granddads death from cancer. My maternal grandparents were married for over 20 years before my grandfather died of a heart attack. My own parents have been together since they were 14 years old, almost 50 years ago, my brother has been married 21 years and myself 17 years. When we took our vows we meant that it would be for life. If you value and appreciate one another then there is no reason to look outside the marital home for fulfillment. We're not living in an ideal world but we can live up to our ideals of marriage if we put in the hard work and commitment. Why should heterosexual marriage be abnormal now? Why should those of us who are happy in with our values and morals be ostracized and victimized? I'm not homophobic, however I do feel that tables have turned and now there is hetero phobia.......Personally I'm proud to be heterosexual and married.
08:27 AM on 02/08/2013
Why do you assume that only heterosexuals are capable of fidelity and commitment? I know gay couples who have been together for over twenty years, who are as loving and committed to each other as anyone could wish to meet. Meanwhile my brother is on his third marriage.
And it is NOT victimization when other people are given the rights that you have always taken for granted.
12:00 AM on 02/09/2013
I have not in any way assumed that ONLY heterosexuals are capable of fidelity and commitment. I only stated my feelings about the book written and the authors opinions on "ideals". I know many homosexual couples who are happy, committed and loyal to each other. My comments were concerning the authors opinions which I personally feel were incorrect based on my own experiences throughout my family and circle of friends. She has an opinion and so do I. 
12:08 AM on 02/09/2013
You are truly naive if you imagine that the homosexual world is one of fidelity and commitment. Homosexuals are extremely promiscuous, even if officially "paired" and practice all sorts of perversions that shorten their life expectancy considerably. Sorry if the truth hurts, but the facts are available in the statistics of every health service in the world.
09:38 AM on 02/08/2013
When people made their vows 100 years ago at the age of 18 their life expectancy was about another 30 years, less for the poor, and now if you marry at 18 you're looking at up to 60 years, as times have changed so have our attitude to marriage for life.

However why does the fact that gay people can marry have any impact upon your marriage, does my eating a doughnut effect another persons diet?

What you view as marriage is a very modern concept, caused by many things, but marriage changes with every generation, each generation embraces new, or perhaps even old, changes to marriage, and so across time marriage changes, it's why I cannot legally rape my wife, because one generation decided they'd abandon that particular practice.
03:19 PM on 02/08/2013
andrewcartright- excellent!!!!!!! "does my eating a doughnut effect another persons diet?" I love IT! You're hired!
12:01 AM on 02/09/2013
Lucky wife!!!
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11:33 PM on 02/07/2013
who would want to own someone anyway......
11:28 PM on 02/07/2013
Marriage is in the eyes of the law simply a contract between two people , the same as any other legal contract - a binding legal agreement ..


Provided the parties to a contract are 18 or over , of sound mind then they are free to make a contract - a binding legal agrement ..

Having said that I do wonder about the sanity of some of the people who enter these contracts but plenty of business people sign stupid contracts also .

Very simply - if you don't want to be bound by the deal or have to shell out a shed load of money to get out of the contract don;'t be stupid enough to sign up in the first place - remember marriage has a 50% failure rate - the sensible thing is to live together without the contract - then eirther party is free to walk away - it is a voluntary agreement - not a binding legal agreement .

Any matrimonial lawyer will tell you this - clients are fortunately usually to stupid to take good legal advice at the outset so their failure to listen provides a good living and a large pension pot - the day clients do what they are told legal incomes will halve - long may it be delayed !!
09:43 AM on 02/08/2013
Not all divorces are a failure, that's an assumption, divorce is sometimes the natural end to a marriage that the parties no longer want to continue, when a company retires an employee it isn't automatically a failure, many divorced people maintain a close relationship with their former spouse.

It doesn't always cost large sums of money to end a marriage either, normally that happens when one party has broken their end of the agreement, which is the most common reason for divorce.
10:28 PM on 02/07/2013
I am in a traditional marriage and have been for 34 years. So are my two brothers and one sister.
My parents were in a traditional marriage (til death) and so were my wifes parents.
I don't know who this Helen Croyden woman is, but I do feel sorry for her.
I am happier in my apparent fanasy world, than she is in hers.
Her world sounds very sick to me.
11:38 PM on 02/07/2013
>richy
Hit the nail square on the head there - I was figuring out a similar response, but you said it!
F+F
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08:59 PM on 02/07/2013
Thank God. At last! We can all stop worrying about 'not knowing what we're talking about'. Helen Croydon can do it for us.
08:44 PM on 02/07/2013
As you say, then, Helen, Marriage is meaningless, so why all the fuss? Those of us who believe differently will think up a new name for it, and keep it to ourselves.