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Jeff 'Why I Hate Religion, But Love Jesus' Bethke Interview: 'Jesus Would go to Skid Row'

Posted: 04/05/2012 00:00

When airing his beliefs that Jesus was on a crusade to actually fight against organised religion as opposed to championing it, spoken word poet Jeff Bethke caused controversy amongst both atheists and church goers alike. Now, with over 20 million views on his Youtube video Why I Hate Religion, But Love Jesus, Bethke has received everything from high praise to accusations that he's the anti-Christ.

He's been slated in the New York Times for having contradictory views and appeared on CBS in an interview to explain his poetic inspiration, yet the subject is still met with both hostility and admiration from all corners.

With the headcount in church diminishing rapidly in the last five years due to increasingly frequent natural disasters, a decade long war that has achieved little and banks conning people out of their homes with the use of foreclosure, many have lost their faith in god. So with a more liberal approach, Bethke, 22, wrote his verse and made the video to promote Jesus to the next generation, who he feels either have no faith at all or simply claim to be religious without following the teachings of the Bible.

Speaking from Seattle, he said: "I'm extremely passionate about the next generation falling in love with Jesus. I was sick of people always thinking being a Christian meant 'hates gays, can't drink beer, and no tattoos.'"

Some have accused Bethke of stepping on his own toes, saying that his message is contradictory and more along the lines of "I hate religion but love organised Christianity", but the poet has his own theories on what actually defines religion.

"When I used the word religion, I didn't mean it as an institution," he said. "I meant religion equals any work of righteousness that has someone hoping to earn favour with God. I came to the realisation that Jesus hated self-righteousness, though when I started reading the scriptures, I realised he was our righteousness.

He died to absorb all our sin and to give us his perfect standing. So to say we can earn it is spitting in his face and that his sacrifice on the cross wasn't good enough. Religion is man performing for God. Grace is Jesus performing for man. That fact humbled me, broke my heart, and changed my life."

Although at first it's hard to understand where Bethke's idea of religion ends and grace begins, his basic message is that you shouldn't have to follow god's instructions in order to have your name down on the entry list at the Pearly Gates, but that the commandments given to Moses are directions on how to live a happy life. According to Bethke, what Jesus taught was divine advice for a wholesome existence, and not rules on what you must do to earn a spot in god's VIP lounge.

"God definitely calls us to obedience, just like any good parent would," he explains. "The difference though, is that religion sets those things up as what you need to do to earn God.

However, in Christianity, we see the commandments of Jesus as commandments that he is giving to bring us joy. We obey them because he already loves us, we don't obey them to earn his love. When we think we can go outside of what God has shown us as the way for life to flourish most, it's not just a small decision, but actually asserting ourselves as our own god over the universe. We are saying by our actions that we are God, and that he isn't. We are saying 'eh, I don't trust you, I know better.'"

With a message meaningful but often hard to categorise, I asked Bethke how he responds when people ask if he's religious or not. "I ask them what they mean by religious, and then go from there," he fired back. "I want to respond in a way that aligns me most with Jesus and something that gives most glory to him. Man made religion is based on my performance for God, which puts the spotlight on me, not him. But when I trust Jesus and his performance for me, he automatically gets the spotlight. I don't care if you call that religious or not, that's what He is after."

In his own way Jeff Bethke seems fairly religious in my mind. He follows Jesus and God, and also takes heed of a book written by man and not the characters it centres upon. But he is not religious in the typical sense of the word. Bethke has dared to branch out with his own beliefs and has almost created his own sub-religion within Christianity. Bethke's idea of grace doesn't preach pointless self-loathing or holier-than-thou attitudes at the sight of a crucifix around the neck. He doesn't believe that we should all gather en masse at church every Sunday to be told what sinners we all are, and that the all-forgiving god will happily let us burn in the fiery pits of hell for having sex before marriage or telling a lie. Whether Bethke's approach can technically be defined as religious or not, his views are refreshing, praising a god not driven by spiteful revenge, but one who wants to guide, not dictate.

If Jesus were to return and walk the earth now, Bethke imagines it to be a hectic affair, with the bearded Messiah chilling out in the ghetto with addicts and dealers, and smashing religious bookshops and TV studios to pieces.

"I think the first place he'd go is some of the 'religious' bookstores, TV and radio stations and flip some tables. Then I think he'd head over to Skid Row in LA to hang out with people that looked most like him while he was on earth. Also, I think his heart would break. Being God he is most sensitive to all the pain, strife, hurt and evil in the world. And since his heart is untainted by sin, I can't even imagine the brokenness he feels for this world. Praise God for his sacrifice, love, and willingness to lay down his life for us."

Jeff Bethke is currently touring America, speaking about his religious views and preaching his message. He can be found next at the Whosever Conference in Los Angeles.

 

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When airing his beliefs that Jesus was on a crusade to actually fight against organised religion as opposed to championing it, spoken word poet Jeff Bethke caused controversy amongst both atheists and...
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05:05 PM on 06/01/2012
Religion vs. Christian... I suppose that some people may initially be confused over the semantics... that is to say, christian-religion is the belief that one can attain salvation through observing certain rules and rituals, whereas the teachings of Jesus and the apostles in the Bible tell us that it is impossible for ANYONE to attain salvation by works, and the ONLY way to salvation is by the blood sacrifice made on our behalf by God when His Son offered up His life in exchange for ours.
Religion is our attempt to pay for our sins through our own efforts (works) ...obeying rules, repeating prayers over and over, and observing rituals etc.
...Whereas conversely, biblical Christianity says that it is IMPOSSIBLE for us to attain salvation, and so because He loves us, God did it for us. It is a free gift! All we need to do is put our faith (trust) in Jesus Christ. In so doing, our hearts are changed (born again) and the works which we previously attempted to use as payment for our salvation now become the natural result of our changed hearts. i.e.- we do good works because we are saved, and not in a fruitless effort to try and purchase our own salvation. Just as an apple tree naturally produces apples, so to do those who are born again naturally commit good works.
That is the difference between religion and Christianity.
thebigbike
ran away to be a cowboy
03:29 AM on 05/09/2012
so where is the controversy sparked among atheists mentioned in the first paragraph As an atheist I didn't read anything here that seems to impact my life and beliefs; it all looked pretty much like internal doctrinal squabbling in the "christianist" world. work it out amongst yourselves and play nice.
06:30 PM on 05/08/2012
An article written in the style of the unreliable narrator. C+ for good effort.
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Jake Hanrahan
01:35 PM on 05/10/2012
Have a great day now.
05:05 PM on 05/10/2012
You as well.
11:35 PM on 05/07/2012
At age 22, Bethke has much to learn, of course. But he's got a good head on his shoulders and if he doesn't get caught up in investing too much in his own intellectual understanding, he will probably do okay.

Bethke, like all of us, should always keep is mind what Solomon wrote, that we should not put our trust in our own understanding, but in God.

Bethke should also study the actual history of Christianity, because it is not true that Jesus "died to absorb all our sin and to give us his perfect standing" and salvation, as Bethke believes.

That is the doctrine of men who created the theology of Christian Apologetics, and it has been refuted by many scholars such as the members of the Jesus Seminar. And it has been totally refuted at http://messenger.cjcmp.org/christianity.html
07:37 PM on 05/08/2012
Very true SarahRuth23.
I like what was written.........In fact, Jesus said that at the end of the age he ushered in things would change because someone would come to set the record straight, issue judgment, guide you to the truth, show you things to come, glorify him (Jesus) for what he really was, expose the false doctrines and dispel the myths about him, and actually bear his full testimony, which the world was not ready for two thousand years ago.
And that one has come, as was said like a thief in the night.
02:59 AM on 05/09/2012
Thank you so much. I cannot tell you how much I appreciate that. Most people do not bother to seek, and explore, and learn.

Godspeed to you, and may you continue to follow your heart.
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07:45 PM on 05/07/2012
"Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings THOU has perfected praise" Matthew 21:16. I commend the young Brotha no end. People "know" they're Christian and use "themselves" as the yardstick by which they measure "everyone" else.
"Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling" Philippians 2:12.
Yes the young Brotha is Right On in my opinion.
If you look into a mirror
And don't like what you see
The problem is you
The problem isn't me.
I think of the Bible as a mirror. Like your reflection? Don't concern yourself with mine. Life.
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05:38 PM on 05/07/2012
"He doesn't believe that we should all gather en masse at church every Sunday to be told what sinners we all are, and that the all-forgiving god will happily let us burn in the fiery pits of hell for having sex before marriage or telling a lie. Whether Bethke's approach can technically be defined as religious or not, his views are refreshing, praising a god not driven by spiteful revenge, but one who wants to guide, not dictate."

I grew up getting a somewhat softened version of the former version described in that quote, and left the church. I was well into middle age when I discovered the writings of early Christian mystics, most of whom present the loving God, as described in the latter part of the quote. I don't entirely understand (I partially understand, in psychological terms) why it is that the latter isn't regularly taught/preached in most churches. Granted there are churches that cater to people primarily motivated by fear, so they aren't about to change that message. But for the rest, they'd certainly lose fewer people, and almost as certainly gain people, if they spent more time teaching the Christianity that's reflected in the writings of mystics, ancient and modern. It is expansive, and inspires adoration more than fear and trembling. (Apologies to Kierkegaard.)
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07:09 PM on 05/07/2012
Well we are on the same page today. during my research into religions and their teachings I could find very few churches that taught any of the mystics teachings.

The mystical experiences in the last half of Bucke's book "cosmic consciousness" especially those of C.M.C are always a delight to read. And the book "the teachings of the mystics" by Stace is a good read.

I have discovered in my seeking that human guilt and culpability are ego-centered and attract many people to a church centered life based in fear and specialness, rather than love, acceptance, and unity.
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nlightenup
Retired psychologist, responds to open minds.
03:50 AM on 05/09/2012
Thank you for your comments, on both topics. It's nice to find others sharing the same pages.
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05:02 PM on 05/07/2012
Well said. You are not the first to distinguish between religion as institution and Jesus as someone to follow as two different things. Institutional religion can be and often is corrupted. Nazi Germany corrupted the Lutheran Church under the banner of Nationalism. Perhaps that is why Dietrich Bonhoeffer longed for religionless Christianity. Perhaps that is why Francis Schaeffer warned against a religion fascism that he saw coming to these shores. Perhaps that is why we should honor agnostics and other religious people as brothers and not enemies. Sheldon once asked: What would Jesus do? We already know the answer dramatized by his book: "In His Steps."
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whirlpool
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03:03 PM on 05/07/2012
I don't really see much if anything new here. It is still an infection of the viral religious meme.
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Tylerious
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02:43 PM on 05/07/2012
I don't think he ever created a new religion. There are quite a lot of liberal Christians out there who ignore most of the teachings of the Bible and only focus on what makes them feel warm and fuzzy.
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Robert Blackburn
02:24 PM on 05/07/2012
We'd like to think that if Jesus were here today that he'd hang out with the crowd on skid row, but who's to say that he wouldn't have a wife, house in the burbs, two and a half kids, and barbeque with the neighbors on weekends. Times have changed, you know. Perhaps in today’s world Jesus wouldn't take himself and everything else so seriously.
See: http://revolutionofreason.com and http://www.youtube.com/RobertLBlackburn
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Tylerious
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02:47 PM on 05/07/2012
Well, Jesus never had a wife, so he would probably be living in Greenwich Village and participating in Pride parades...
10:26 PM on 05/04/2012
The big bang is a myth, you cannot get something from nothing. Sheep.
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Tylerious
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02:41 PM on 05/07/2012
you cannot get something from nothing... unless it's God
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01:35 PM on 05/04/2012
i grew up with the impression that religious people must be good, loving people (albeit with some strange ideas about how life was made possible that I was not taught as a child). Although I was not aware of many religious people when I was younger, the more I have met since being an adult, the more I think they don't practice what they preach, and that they are simply angry inside, to the extent that all they do is restrict themselves in every way and look down at others who are comparatively free and happy. They don't seem to accept people for being different and their acts of kindness tend to come from a fear of god and of a fear of personally failing to "get into" heaven, yet rarely simply by compassion for others around them. I know I am stereotyping and of course many are not like this, but it's a real counter-intuitive eye-opener for me and makes me question their motives. shouldn't you really act in kindness through empathy and a belief that everyone should be happy as long as they do not interfere with another person's happiness? according to religion though, this is not enough to get a foot-hold in the pearly gates...
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godsamyth
02:56 PM on 05/04/2012
the only way to get there is to buy a broomstick and hope for the best
03:53 AM on 05/06/2012
Christianity is NOT a religion, but a relationship with God. The only way to heaven is through the acceptance of Jesus Christ as your lord and saviour and believeing that he died for your sins and that he rose from the dead as he said he would. Pointing out what is sinful is not unkind and what is being happy, free sex? brings all sorts of bad things,drugs? why are so many young people wanting drugs? are they happy? why do so many get into binge drinking? are they happy? You are quick to jump onto a band wagon you have no idea about. Look at the secular world anf see how many are "happy".
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honeynutcornflakes
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11:17 AM on 05/06/2012
"christianity is not a religion". that's a new one!
why does two men having consensual sex have to be "free sex"? can't it just be homosexual sex? what is free sex? sex with children? is that what the catholic priests point out as sinful? or are they NOT pointing it out?
jesus turned water into wine at that party didn’t he? Surely he didn’t think drugs were all bad? Is it possible that he may have drunk a little too much on one occasion, if only to learn when the right time is to stop? Getting tipsy on some wine is a little like going to a country with mountains and renting out some skiis in order to feel the rush of skiing down a mountain (do people do this because they are unhappy when they are not on a mountain?) – should we really find happiness in the dark inside a cardboard box?
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honeynutcornflakes
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11:18 AM on 05/06/2012
as i mentioned in my comment, i am not "jumping on the bandwagon", i think technically, i fell off it, if anything.

i live in the secular world. i am happy. people around me are happy. are you happy?
if you are happy, then that's all good isn't it. keep being happy. let other people be happy. what makes one person happy might not necessarily make another person happy. as long as you don't make other people sad (e.g. informing a couple of gay men, that what they find enjoyable together, is not permitted and that they should be ashamed of themselves, is a little self-righteous and to be honest isn't making anyone happy), then i think that that is what counts.

I think sometimes people confuse what other people are doing, with their own happiness. This is a common misconception, people should be looking within themselves and coming to their own conclusions about what is right for them, rather than constantly trying to control what other people are doing.
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12:44 PM on 05/04/2012
Its literally like being saved from drowning to be made spiritually aware of oneself,to be freed from this worlds obsession on money and possesions,fame and wordly infactuations,Jesus is so right when he say's christians are in this world but not of this world,and walking with Jesus is a marathon not a sprint,everyday faces its challenges,but stay true and God will reward you,and yes Jesus was against the religious,meaning your love for God must come from the heart,and not just the law
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godsamyth
11:08 AM on 05/04/2012
make it up as you go along they all do it
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Jake Hanrahan
10:38 AM on 05/04/2012
The tweet thing doesn't work on here btw, it's bee RT about 40 times.