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BBC Persian Gets Iranians and Israelis Talking

Posted: 26/01/2013 00:00

It's not often that ordinary Iranians and Israelis get the chance to talk to each other, but that's exactly what happened this week live on air on the BBC's Persian television service.

In a special Israeli election day edition of the BBC's popular Persian language interactive show, Nowbat-e Shoma (Your Turn), callers from Iran put questions to a panel of Persian-speaking Israelis in a BBC studio in Jerusalem.

What came across clearly was that despite the deep tensions between their two governments, Iranians and Israelis actually have a surprising amount in common.

"Although the conversations got pretty heated at times, it was great that everyone put their points across politely and really engaged with each other," says Leyla Khodabakhshi, the editor of the programme.

It's a criminal offence for Iranian citizens to visit Israel and Iran does not allow Israelis to visit the country.

Many young Iranians know very little about Israel beyond the generally negative stories covered by their country's tightly-controlled media.

But the one crucial point of connection between the two countries is the fact that there are as many as a quarter of a million people of Iranian descent living in Israel.

All three members of the BBC panel - journalists Babak Eshaghi and Rani Omrani, and university lecturer Tamar Gindin - have roots in Iran.

Babak spoke for many Iranian Israelis when he tried to express the pain he feels over the current problems between the two countries.

"Israel is like my father and Iran is my mother," he said. "I don't want them to fight."

The prospect of Israeli military action against Iranian nuclear facilities was obviously a key talking point during the programme. Some Iranian callers were keen to stand up for national honour.

"Israel can't attack Iran," said Majid from Isfahan, "They don't have the military capacity."

"Israel can't do anything against Iran," said Abolfazl from Tehran. "They couldn't even manage to deal with the missiles Iran supplied to Hamas in the recent Gaza conflict."

Rani Omrani swiftly responded to Abolfazl: "Israel is definitely able to attack Iran but it's not about to do so because this may put the Middle East security at risk," he said. "Israel could have bombed the whole of the Gaza strip but it didn't because Israel doesn't want to kill civilians."

But callers - and Iranian audiences more widely - were surprised to hear from the panel that it was actually the economy, rather than the prospect of war with Iran, that had been uppermost in the minds of Israeli voters.

"Israelis have been taking to the streets to protest against the rising cost of housing," Tamir Gandin explained. "Prices are going up but people's incomes have stayed the same."

That certainly struck a chord in Iran where rising prices, high unemployment and uncertainty about the future are all facts of everyday life.

It was these insights into everyday life in Israel that really seemed to capture the imagination of callers, prompting more thoughts on the parallels between Iife in Iran and Israeli - both countries where secular and religious interest groups often clash, and where politicians are not always what they seem.

"Israel is just like a part of Iran's body and vice versa," said Saeed, an Iranian calling in from London. "...They can't oppose each other. Everything is just like a game! It looks like they are opposing each other, but in fact Iranians and Israelis are not enemies."

What made this programme even more remarkable was that fact that several of the people who called in from Iran were supporters of their country's hardline government.

BBC Persian is not allowed to operate inside Iran. Its satellite television programmes are regularly jammed by the Iranian authorities, and Iranians are firmly discouraged from speaking to the BBC.

All of this means that the service usually attracts a younger, more liberal-minded audience and not the kind of people who would vote for President Ahmadinejad.

"People from the government side rarely speak to the BBC," says Leyla Khodabakshi. "It made this particular debate much more meaningful that they called us to share their views and to talk to the Israelis. "

Not all BBC Persian viewers and listeners have welcomed our coverage of the Israeli elections this week.

"Why is the BBC spending so much time talking about Israel?" has been a frequent question in emails to BBC Persian.

Leyla Khodabakhshi says: "It's not yet clear to us if this question has been prompted by a genuine objection to our content, or a more general weariness with the regular diet of anti-Israeli reporting on Iranian state television."

A quick glance on the steadily increasing number of people clicking on the BBC Persian Facebook story about the Your Turn edition from Jerusalem would suggest that maybe it's the latter.

 

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It's not often that ordinary Iranians and Israelis get the chance to talk to each other, but that's exactly what happened this week live on air on the BBC's Persian television service. In a special ...
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loyalist1
From D voter to Ind. voter
03:31 on 28/01/2013
What really needs to be addressed is the problem of modernizing electrical service in less developed countries. Although I'm pretty conservative I do think that alternative energy sources need to get prioritized, because, right now, nuclear power is about the cheapest way to modernize. But obviously fraught with dangers. Iran needs other ways to develop electrical power; then its nuclear ambitions would not be needed. We'll have the same story in every other country that wants to modernize.
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CapSen
Empathy. The faculty to feel what the other feels.
14:57 on 27/01/2013
"Why is the BBC spending so much time talking about Israel?" has been a frequent question in emails to BBC Persian.

Leyla Khodabakhshi says: "It's not yet clear to us if this question has been prompted by a genuine objection to our content, or a more general weariness with the regular diet of anti-Israeli reporting on Iranian state television."

Huh? She's not answering the question, which was about quantity, not quality. What on earth has Iranian TV got to do with the question? Incomprehensible comment.
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vividrick
I came, I saw...I had a cup of tea!
02:06 on 27/01/2013
Is this episode available in podcast or 'listen again' Jenny?
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Wozzeck
Pearl Bay, Australia
23:32 on 26/01/2013
Of course when the UK takes Iran's PressTV off the air that's fine and dandy.
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MohammedAbbasi
Co-Director, Association of British Muslims
20:30 on 26/01/2013
People to people connections need to increase worldwide and need to bypass the politicians - well done to the Iranians and Israelis for making this a success
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20:06 on 26/01/2013
If politicians fallow peoples believes, this world would be a different enchilada. The problem is that the "system" is the one that runs the show in the world and here we are, suffering to make the world "better".
14:44 on 26/01/2013
Thanks for the article Jenny.....please could you point me to a link to a podcast of it that I could download?
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Jenny Norton
18:04 on 05/02/2013
Hi, Here's the link to the programme on the BBC Persian YouTube channel:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ux07G1uV_3o
00:33 on 08/02/2013
Thank you!
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vividrick
I came, I saw...I had a cup of tea!
12:08 on 26/01/2013
Best the people talk to each other directly as opposed to their leaders spar with war rhetoric!

This documentary, 'Promises', get Palestinian & Israeli children to live with each other for a while in secret, to understand life on the other side, without their peers feeding them any propaganda:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLKaKk036hY
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u s of england
barricade the gates of vienna
08:28 on 26/01/2013
The people always know better then the leaders. Thing is, it doesn't matter, the leaders are in control, and they will remain in control.
16:07 on 26/01/2013
You are only half correct as the latest elections in the two countries show. While the 2009 elections in Iran were widely considered "rigged" and hence the huge demonstrations which followed (and cruelly squashed). The election in Israel just last week shows that the people have the power to change the government (the second largest party in these elections didn't even exist a year ago). Or, in short: Israel is a democracy. Iran is a dictatorship.
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artleads
Let's have a national retreat.
05:00 on 26/01/2013
Good to hear. Anything can happen. People just have to get off their usual one-sided talking points, and begin talking to each other toward finding what unites (rather than divides) them.
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Baghooli
Immortals!
00:58 on 26/01/2013
"Iranians and Israelis Talking"

One side dozing off while the other hyperventilating during talks, that's not much of talking!
I guess if both government stopped hurting the other side wallet if you will, then there is a incentive for peace, peace out!
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LMPE
I connect the most dissimilar things
00:13 on 26/01/2013
You see what happens when people talk rationally about things? Works a lot better than when people take the "my country can wallop your country" attitude.
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21:36 on 25/01/2013
Arabs are subjected to extermination today by the 2i (Israel and iran) who control parts of them already. Vetos help both in this task
-Vetos from US and Russia-
23:02 on 25/01/2013
Except that neither side is "exterminating" Arabs. Arabs are literally doing that to themselves just fine on their own (as they have for a very long time), they don't need any help in that department.
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23:15 on 25/01/2013
When the iranian government helps the assad mafia ( ≠ 4% of Syrians) exterminate the majority, it tells about their predisposition to commit crimes
Kicking humans from their land and uprooting their centuries old olive trees is one aspect of extermination. Vetoing the condemnation of such crimes is another form of extermination
There is a lot of deception to camouflage all this, however the deceivers know the amount of harme put on Palestinians - biggest crimes against humanity ever- and on Syrians killed by the Iranian mafia.
SPKen
Anti-war
20:58 on 25/01/2013
same bbc that played a part in overthrowing Iran's democratically elected gov. of 1953...
22:30 on 25/01/2013
>>>>same bbc that played a part in overthrowing Iran's democratically elected gov. of 1953...

I guess you don't like the BBC of today highlighting Iran's despotic regime.
SPKen
Anti-war
09:43 on 26/01/2013
Quite obvious who dont like BBC taken in regard the pro-israel lobby constant whining about them.
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LMPE
I connect the most dissimilar things
00:14 on 26/01/2013
I think that you're confusing the BBC with BP.
SPKen
Anti-war
09:43 on 26/01/2013
BBC played a part propaganda-wise.
20:06 on 25/01/2013
This is great news. Iranian's and Israelis have roots that go thousands of years back. They are natural allies not enemies. The problem is their leadership. If Iran ever becomes a real democracy I'm sure they will become friends with Israel