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Why We Might Want to Invite Marine Le Pen to Cambridge

Posted: 15/02/2013 09:58

An international student's response to Conrad Landin's question in The Guardian.

Up till two days ago, I did not know who Marine Le Pen was. I knew that France had a surprisingly popular ring-wing extremist in their presidential elections, but I was not familiar with her name. All this changed when the hullabaloo surrounding her invitation to the Cambridge Union Society got me looking into who this woman really is.

Do a Google search and you will have no difficulty discovering that this French politician is a controversial figure. Like many others, I personally find many of her views bizarre and even repulsive. For instance, her comparison of Muslim street prayers to the Nazi occupation was unnecessarily inflammatory. There are certainly better ways to address the issue of non-legal (but otherwise benign) street use than to invoke an emotionally loaded parallel like the German invasion of France in WWII.

But if I am very honest, I do not really know much about her. I do know she's controversial, and I do know she has some bad views. I also know that some people even call her a neo-fascist. However, I have never heard her speak or explain her views. This is why I think Le Pen has good reason to be invited to Cambridge. 'Neo-fascism' seems to be growing in Europe, and the current economic crisis is certainly not helping to extinguish the flames of xenophobia. The best way to address this problem is to engage with it. A large part of engagement is about knowing where the other side is coming from. If we fail to do this, we run the risk of committing the very flaw which causes the extremists to make the conclusions we so vehemently oppose. Thus for the sake of people like me who don't know much about people like Le Pen, it makes a lot of sense to invite her to Cambridge. 'Free speech' ensures that societies like the Union can provide a forum for discussions like these.

True, the freedom of speech does not come without responsibilities. Hence Conrad argues that the Union risks legitimizing Le Pen by giving her a platform, and this impact will occur notwithstanding that the Union does not actively wish to promote neo-fascism.

But how much responsibility should we attribute to the Union? How many people (particularly Cambridge students, who will be most 'directly' affected by the talk) will actually be swayed towards neo-fascist thought through this invitation?

And if the Union were to start systematically excluding certain factions of thought from being welcome in their society (on the basis of refusing to 'legitimise' these ideas), where will we draw the line between responsibility and bias? It could on the other extreme be argued that the Union might abuse its prestige to only select speakers who help push forward their potentially oppressive worldviews.

Of course, the difficulty to draw a line does not remove the responsibility for drawing a line at all. But maybe the sufficiently responsible place to draw the line is to welcome anyone who is willing to speak openly and peacefully, and be questioned and challenged about the substance of their views? The Union may still be motivated by publicity stunts and perhaps even the personal ambitions of its officers. But by drawing the line here we can reduce the risk of them pushing for a wider ideological political agenda.

Perhaps I am insufficiently familiar with European politics to fully understand the gravity and threat of neo-fascism. But from what I do know, it does not seem to me that the valid concerns (as opposed to conclusions) of anti-immigration proponents and followers would best be addressed by a culture of platform-denial.

 
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An international student's response to Conrad Landin's question in The Guardian. Up till two days ago, I did not know who Marine Le Pen was. I knew that France had a surprisingly popular ring-wing ex...
An international student's response to Conrad Landin's question in The Guardian. Up till two days ago, I did not know who Marine Le Pen was. I knew that France had a surprisingly popular ring-wing ex...
 
 
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01:11 AM on 02/20/2013
Interesting to see this article from a Malaysian.
Your country is a great example of why people listen to Ms. Le Pen. People do not have freedom of religion or full human rights in your country because of Islam- if someone wants to leave that religion they face prison time. Racial/religious discrimination is enshrined in your legal system, which is why so many of the talented people from non-Muslim groups leave for better countries- maybe you are one of those.
In Europe we believe in equality and we do not want a system of sharia like you have where there are 2 separate legal systems which divides people.

From my own experience, many non-Muslim Malaysians express concerns about Islam-led curtailment of their rights, many in much stronger terms than Ms Le Pen does!
I'm sure many of your compatriots would agree with her views, maybe you will too. I hope you will write a follow up article and let us know what happens.
08:19 PM on 02/26/2013
From your comment history it certainly looks like you have something against Islam don't you :)
01:12 AM on 02/27/2013
If you can address a specific point I made and tell me what you disagree with, I will try to answer you.
12:21 AM on 02/16/2013
I notice my comment did not even hit 'pending' so I will try again and see whether a bug (or intolerance of opinion) prevailed.

What exactly does 'legitimising her views' mean? How exactly does appearing at a debate (or in this case a discussion) make somebody's views legitimate? More especially as this is an elite college where the discussion will not be publicly available. It is though, an oft heard complaint from those on the left when suggesting that someone should not be permitted to receive a hearing.

Yet it is another example of the mysticism underlying modern progressive thinking and the final mouldering remnants of the 1980s through 1990s policy of 'No Platform' which prevented any of those with whom the agitational left disagreed, particularly in an academic setting, from speaking. Where this objective was not achieved then physical force and disruption was brought in as the secondary option and has been at Cambridge in the past, allowing the event to be cancelled or invitations withdrawn under the excuse of public order threats.

So, I congratulate Jinho on his sentiments above and expect that his peers will be suitably condescending about his arguments here.
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10:41 PM on 02/16/2013
would your view change if a member of Alqaieda were making an appearance?
06:44 PM on 02/17/2013
Al Qaeda (not Alqaieda) would not speak on a British university campus as they are both a tiny organisation and one sworn to attack Western targets. Al Qaeda, is largely myth making on the part of USgov. Most others since are Al Qaeda-lite, using the legend as a springboard to notoriety and following on their coat tails.

British universities though are are rife with radical Islamist groups speaking. the likes of Hizb ut-Tahrir and Al-Muhajiroun for example.

I believe revolutionary Islam is free to speak to all, but not free to advocate violence towards British people or British interests. They are also not free to intimidate students, particularly women which they have a habit of doing.

Having said this, trying to suggests any equivalency between AQ and the FN is a completely risible comparison. The FN are not would be terrorists. A third of the French population suggest some sympathy with their aims, wet as they are. Perhaps you should familiarise yourself with them before making analogies that do you no credit. Most of your posts have used imagery even Mel Brooks would consider taking the joke (or stretching the argument) too far.
11:54 PM on 02/15/2013
Legitimising her views? What is this magical process whereby having a person speak, even a controversial one, somehow makes their views legitimate? It is a total nonsense, parroted as a truism by leftists whenever someone outside the faith wishes to speak. Really it offers a mystical argument, convincing by its very vapidity, as the last defence of the 'No Platform' argument. This argument saw progressives through the 1980 and 90s when all their other long cherished ideological trinkets were lying in pieces at their feet and so they turned to activism to defend a range of disempowered groups which they had socially-constructed out of thin air.
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10:45 PM on 02/16/2013
Its got absolutely nothing to do with leftists, if you remember when we went to war to defeat fascism, it was a conservative, not labour prime minister. There is something known as a halo effect, by association with Cambridge, it gives the impression that their views hold some sort of academic merit, when they do not. It may not be the intention of Cambridge, but id bet good money that the party will be either posting it on youtube or streaming live from their website. Everything a politician does is done to promote their cause, why else would they be doing it. Its a blatant attempt by what is essentially a far right party to move themselves into the mainstream, a tactic attempted by the BNP to detoxify their brand of politics
06:58 PM on 02/17/2013
Leftists are fond of using the rationale that certain groups should not be free to speak, or should not be engaged with due to this legitimising their views. That was my point. Your stepping back into a 1930s twilight is neither here nor there and a weak attempt to suggest some guilt by association (another shallow tactic frequently seen on the left).

AFAIK this is not a proper debate but a discussion forum, a speech is given, questions are taken and so on.

Even if it was a full debate, if you accept liberal principles, ideas meet and one inches closer to conclusions. One does not accept the truth or gauge the strength of a political position by the fact it is discussed. An intelligent person does not accept that because a view is voiced in a particular setting that this means is has 'academic merit' It is very different to how academic viewpoints are expressed. Most of the population would be wholly unaware of this discussion if it were not for illiberal progressives who always try to close down the mediums of communication where they are able.

Of course you fully understand this, but these arguments are those best suited to fulfilling illiberal objectives.
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10:26 PM on 02/15/2013
It might not be the intention of Cambridge Union to promote fascism, but it would be naive to assume that a politician would not use this or any other platform to promote their cause, and in the case of LePenn to legitimise it too. This whole thing is about Cambridge using sensationalism to sell itself. Im aware that Marine LePenn doesn't like to be called a fascist, but that doesn't change the fact that it is. We talk of freedom of speech, but she will and has used lawyers in the past to silence critics. I find the action on the behalf of the Cambridge Union contrived, haven't we seen this all before with Nick Griffin on Question Time?
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10:18 PM on 02/15/2013
Will there be burning crosses on the grounds and swastikas adorning the walls too?