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Today is Not the Day to Engage in Debate About Gun Control? Yes it Bloody Well Is...

Posted: 15/12/2012 20:10

Another day, another school shooting. Suspected gunman Adam Lanza, is said to have shot dead 20 children and six adults at Sandy Hook Elementary school in Newtown, Connecticut, as well as his mother and then, somewhat predictably, himself.

It's the third large-scale shooting in the US in 2012 - twelve people were killed in a cinema in Aurora, Colorado in July 2012 and six people were gunned down at a Sikh temple in Wisconsin in August.

The list of major gun attacks in the US, including the Virginia Tech massacre in 2007 when 32 people were shot dead, is disturbingly long.

Every time one of these tragedies happens, the US Government and media are outraged, mournful, and extremely vocal about introducing legislation to stop it from happening again, but nothing ever happens.

The second that there's any mention of a sensible crackdown on ownership and regulation of weapons, the gun evangelists point everyone towards their precious Second Amendment, which is clearly more important to them than slaughtered children.

Forming part of the Bill of Rights, the Second Amendment to the US Constitution states:

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed".

Adopted in 1791, just a few years after the American War of Independence, the amendment was of its time - written to ensure that the American people could defend themselves against the British and any other enemies. It wasn't intended to enable a disgruntled, mentally unstable individual to legally buy guns with ease and kill with alacrity during times of peace.

Times change, and so too has the context of the original Amendment. Let's not forget that the Bill of Rights itself originally only applied to white men, with women, native Americans and African Americans left out of the party until Amendments further down the line.

I'm British and I live in the UK, so why do I even have an opinion on American gun control? Well, I have family on the other side of the pond and my brother is a naturalised American. I'd like to think that they live in a country where any murderous oaf can't just waltz into a Walmart and stock up on guns and ammunition. Sadly, that's not the case.

On one visit to the US, we did a National Rifle Association of America shooting course, so I have a qualification from the NRA stating that I know how to load and fire a semi-automatic handgun. Preposterous, I know, but true.

As the only Brits in the room, we were also the only ones who'd never fired a gun before. I was amazed that we were just able to walk in and handle a gun - no police record check or anything.

To be fair, the trainers were excellent, with a refreshingly responsible attitude to guns. As well as mocking their own organisation's quaint insistence on referring to guns euphemistically as "firearms", rather than "weapons", our instructor also told us that if any of us were thinking of getting a gun for home protection then that would be a extremely foolish.

"Get a Louisville Slugger instead", he said (that's a baseball bat, to the Brits). Making this training course mandatory for gun owners would certainly be a step in the right direction.

Anyway, what the hell do we know about gun massacres in the UK? Unfortunatley, a fair bit.

In 1987, when Michael Ryan used several legally owned guns to kill 16 people (including his mother) and injure a further 15 bystanders in the notorious Hungerford Massacre, the Government immediately took steps to change the law.

As a result, the Firearms Amendment Act 1988 banned ownership of semi-automatic rifles and restricted the use of shotguns with a capacity of more than three rounds.

In 1996, when gunman Thomas Hamilton went into a school in Dunblane, Scotland and shot dead 16 pupils and a teacher, the nation was outraged. Which is precisely why there was only minimal opposition when the Government took steps to implement the Firearms Amendment Act 1997, effectively banning private ownership of handguns in the UK.

As a result, we have a very low number of gun-related deaths on UK soil compared to the USA.

Speaking in the aftermath of the Sandy Hook shooting, President Obama said: "Our hearts are broken" and added "We're going to have to come together and take meaningful action to prevent more tragedies like this, regardless of the politics".

A strong statement, and no doubt that a visibly upset Obama was expressing genuine sentiment, but as a political statement of intent, they're just words.

I don't wish to seem opportunistic, but this latest tragedy provides an ideal chance for the debate on gun control to move forward. However, as things stand, it's highly unlikely that any significant changes to gun ownership laws will make it through Congress.

"Today is not the day to engage in a policy debate about gun control", said White House press secretary Jay Carney on the events at Sandy Hook. To which I say, yes it bloody well is.

 

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Another day, another school shooting. Suspected gunman Adam Lanza, is said to have shot dead 20 children and six adults at Sandy Hook Elementary school in Newtown, Connecticut, as well as his mother a...
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06:42 on 17/12/2012
I've heard all of the nonsence, stupid, childish anti gun blame the NRA, the US Constitution and also all the law abbiding American citizen gun owners. I've had with you jerks. So, that's it, life long Liberal Democrat will be voting with the Republicans come midterm election. Wait and see.
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If left is right and right is wrong, decide!
10:25 on 17/12/2012
Ever tried Russian Roulette?
05:08 on 17/12/2012
If some of the teachers or workers at Newtown school were carrying a gun, lots of kids would be alive today. Notice how these cowardly evil mass murderers always go to "gun-free zones" where nobody will shoot back... we need to stop this. It is a responsibility of every capable citizen to carry a gun and protect innocents... Police will always be 5 minutes away when the life and death is a matter of seconds.

Also, banning guns makes creates violence because criminals are not afraid of any resistance - in the UK gun-related deaths doubled in 10 years since they banned handguns. So in UK these laws already cost more than 4000 lives. I pray we will not fall into the same trap
01:07 on 17/12/2012
This is not good media.
23:09 on 16/12/2012
Heh. First the English banned guns. Then they banned knives. And now - because glass slashing incidents are somewhere in the neighborhood of 50,000 per year - your government is banning glass bottles. Why are the English so brutal to each other?... It's no mystery why your government doesn't trust you with firearms.
19:49 on 16/12/2012
Yes Ms Plummer, it bloody well is.... and there is anoher debate that shoul be on the table: Allowing chilren to watch all those violent videos, especially if the kid is obviously disturbed. There is an addiction problem there, just like with the guns. The industry will never regulate itself. Never, ever. That is a complete myth spread by the industry.
18:56 on 16/12/2012
The comment pages are full of fundamentalist gun lovers proclaiming their freedom rests with a gun.

What an absurd world view. My freedom is found not through violence and not through weapons designed solely to kill and maim. My freedom is based on grown-up civilised institutions like the law and democracy. And my personal freedom is found through empowerment in positive and constructive ideals like education and the arts.

Why would anybody choose fear and death to proclaim their freedom?
18:43 on 16/12/2012
"Today is Not the Day to Engage in Debate About Gun Control? Yes it Bloody Well Is... "

Hear! Hear! If today is not the day, when the hell is?
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16:15 on 16/12/2012
Take away guns from the people and watch the Corporations and the Wealthy...the same people that have bought government and sent US jobs overseas and the same people that didn't prosecute the banks and the brokerages for their crimes leading to the financial collapse...will stifle dissent with Mexican Style authority...and kill with a whim.
Another point. I worked in Anaheim, and the shop I worked in had Illegals in it...handguns were traded weekly...take guns from the honest citizen and the criminal will have no trouble getting them. As for longer sentences..that has never worked, it only inspires more crimes.
Here is a legitimate address and possible solutions. Enjoy

.http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/13358-four-ways-to-stop-gun-violence
15:05 on 16/12/2012
Change really needs to happen asap or more people will die needlessly..
14:17 on 16/12/2012
Well said. As an Englishman, I read the 2nd Amendment and it tells me that there should be an armed, well regulated militia to secure the Free State. I don't see anywhere that it sanctions the possession of semi-automatic weapons - hardly the weapon of choice in 1791 - by any Tom, Dick or Harriet.
03:46 on 19/12/2012
Yeah well, hate to break this to you but you guys lost and we sent you packing back to Fog Island. We drafted our own Constitution and right there at the top is the right to bear arms. Don't believe the modern context? In 2008 and 2010 the Supreme Court upheld the constitutional meaning of the 2nd amendment as allowing CITIZENS to bear arms. Just about all guns today are semi automatic. If we are discussing facts, the amendment does not mention restrictions of any kinds and certainly doesn't mention muskets or single action guns.
09:09 on 19/12/2012
I simply qoted what your Constituion says Ken and how it reads to me, here in 'Fog Island' wherever that might be. I know that the Supreme Court has made its ruling on the matter but things change and the success of any enterprise, whether it be a family, a company or a country, is to accept that there may be a time when change is necessary to move forward. In the light of events - and especially those at Sandy Hook Elementary School - maybe now is the right time to to re-assess what has stood for over 200 years but that that must be the decision for you and your legislators. I wish you well.
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13:58 on 16/12/2012
The phrase "A well regulated Militia," is the first line of the 2nd Amendment.

Doesn't seem like the Militia in the USA is very well regulated if anybody can buy a gun without a background check at a gun show.

Just another example of Americans only following their beloved Constitution when it suits them.
02:44 on 17/12/2012
Just like our Christians cherry-pick the bible.
13:56 on 16/12/2012
..... from the NRA stating that I know how to load and fire a semi-automatic handgun. Preposterous, I know, but true.



But what is preposterous about that? It's people who make lunatics, not guns. I would say that guns are so rooted in the American tradition of freedom it would be difficult to write them out of your constitution. Perhaps the genre of gun could be controlled State by State.
11:59 on 16/12/2012
There are just so many guns in the US that I'm not sure any attempt to reduce their availability would be practical.

A better approach may be to develop Obamacare into an efficient and effective universal healthcare system. The USA's current approach to healthcare results in many people with mental health problems receiving either inadequate care or no care at all. I believe that the lack of a decent, universal health system contributes to the problems with apparently random violence seen too often there.
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20:09 on 16/12/2012
Why not ban the sale of automatic weapons from now on? Also outlaw the second-hand gun trade, and make it illegal to inherit a gun too. When you die, your guns are destroyed.

In a few decades you'd have a tiny fraction of the guns you have now, without preventing current owners from exercising their stupid, ego-fuelled right to bear arms.

Now imagine these steps had been taken a few years back. This massacre would probably not have happened.
11:24 on 18/12/2012
Yeah, good luck with that. I don't think you really understand the gun culture of the US. There are 300million guns in the US - an average of around 88 per 100 people depending which source you read and whether you count air guns or not. The NRA of America has 4.5 million members! On average 40-55% of households nationwide have a gun of some description, whether target rifles, hunting gear or self-defence weapons, although at state level there will be a lot less in California, Chicago and New York state and a lot more in Texas and less restrictive states.

You think you're just going to tell them they can't trade guns on second hand? Good luck enforcing that. If even a small proportion of US gun owners choose not to comply, you're looking at doubling or tripling the US prison population. And that's assuming that individual states don't just say "we're not having that" and pass local ordinances overruling federal law, which some of them absolutely would. It would be utterly unworkable.

There won't be any change because the majority of the population don't want it. And in a democracy like America the majority vote rules.

It's also notable that Clinton passed an "Assault Weapon Ban" in 1994. It didn't work, so when the sunset clause came up in 2004, Congress chose neither to renew it nor make it permanent.
03:49 on 19/12/2012
Automatic weapons have been banned for a very long time. I understand you folks don't have guns and would of course possibly be confused over terminology. A semi automic gun just means that rounds load from a clip or magazine but are still fired one at a time.
08:35 on 16/12/2012
Libby, you should probably read up on the state and federal gun laws pertaining to this case before saying no safeguards were in place. Your opinion piece is formed without important details. In Connecticut, if the laws were any tougher it would be a police state with routine raids in private residences and even worse invasions of privacy. Laws are only effective to people who observe them in the first place.
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23:57 on 15/12/2012
Today (yesterday) was absolutely not the day to engage in a debate about gun control! Yesterday, today, and the next few days are for the victims! Then we debate gun control. You distort President Obama's words, Ms. Plummer. And just for the record, there is no need to debate gun control - it has been proved over and over that we need it - from scores of studies to the brutal, savage results of an episode like this. Implementation is the problem. The NRA is the problem. So why don't you contact them and get them to change their minds. To date, no one has been successful.