If you believe this, the days of the pyramids are numbered: "According to several reports in the Arabic media," writes Raymond Ibrahim, "prominent Muslim clerics have begun to call for the demolition of Egypt's Great Pyramids."
In actual fact, it seems the story originated in a spoof tweet. But hey! It's the easiest thing in the world to find someone somewhere expressing some wacko view or other; and then Mark Steyn repeats it all, and off we go...
Let's be crystal-clear about this right here. The answer to the question in my title is a mile-high, neon "NO". The pyramids of Giza are under no threat whatsoever, and neither is any of the rest of Egypt's glorious archaeological record. This is as radical as the thinking is getting among anyone anywhere near power in Egypt. Not to put too fine a point on it, Ibrahim is scaremongering, and it comes as no surprise when he goes on to offer a deeply misleading account of what has been happening in Timbuktu: "Currently, in what the International Criminal Court is describing as a possible 'war crime,' Islamic fanatics are destroying the ancient heritage of the city of Timbuktu in Mali--all to Islam's triumphant war cry, 'Allahu Akbar!'"
To read that that you'd think that the only Muslims involved in events at Timbuktu were the ones doing the vandalism. But of course it was Islamic buildings that they were attacking. Ansar al-Din, the al-Qaeda-affiliated zealots in northern Mali, consider the traditional Sufi practices of Timbuktu to be heretical. What Ibrahim is doing is treating the most extreme voices of Islam as representative of the whole religion, to the extent of implying that the Sufi Muslims of Timbuktu aren't really proper Muslims at all.
Ibrahim is not alone. I blogged last week about Pamela Geller playing the same game, using Timbuktu as a stick to beat Islam when what Timbuktu was telling us was something entirely different.
Islam is a very broad church, with no central organizing authority (like a Pope, say) to fix doctrine. As in other religions, there's a tendency for different traditions within the religion to claim themselves as the uniquely authentic face of Islam, and al-Qaeda and their allies make that claim in a particularly uncompromising and brutal way. But there's a further point: if Raymond Ibrahim treats the Sufi of Timbuktu as not proper Muslims, he's in effect adopting the viewpoint of al-Qaeda. What a stunning victory for extremists this is, that people across the US and beyond are being encouraged to accept al-Qaeda's distorted ideology as the truth!
The comments under my blog on Timbuktu told a similar story. Someone came in with a link to Ibrahim's article; others encouraged me to read polemics by Hindu nationalists such as Sita Ram Goel's Hindu Temples--What Happened to Them, which seeks to prove that Muslim rulers in India systematically destroyed Hindu shrines. That brought me back to where I started with this whole issue, the Buddhas of Bamiyan. One way that the Taliban and their sympathizers sought to justify the destruction of the Buddhas was to claim it as payback for the demolition of the Baburi Mosque at Ayodhya by Hindu hardliners in 1992.
An intense and polarized debate continues to this day about Ayodhya, what was there before the mosque was built by the Moghul emperor Babur, and what (if anything) happened to Hindu buildings on the site, and it was an issue of great interest to Sita Ram Goel. On the other side, numerous Islamist terrorist attacks on Indians have claimed the destruction of this mosque as their motivation.
Extreme Hindu nationalism, like the ideology of al-Qaeda and the paranoid theories of certain US commentators, is very interested in history, but deals in radical historical simplifications--for example, the idea that Islam is a religion hard-wired to destroy the religious monuments of its opponents. That is simply a false account of what happened, historically, when Islamic peoples encountered non-Islamic.
The Buddhas of Bamiyan survived, and were celebrated, for 1,200 years among Muslims before the Taliban and their allies in al-Qaeda destroyed them. I encourage anyone interested in Islamic attitudes to Hindu and Buddhist holy places to read Richard M. Eaton's measured, careful analysis, "Temple Desecration and Indo-Muslim States", Part 1 and Part 2. He tells a story of Muslim rulers in India who for the most part protected non-Islamic shrines, and on the rare occasions they did otherwise were following a time-honoured tradition within India of destroying your enemies' favourite temples: Hindus had been demolishing other Hindus' places of worship for centuries before Islam arrived. The crucial point, though, is that these Muslim rulers in India were never driven by religious fanaticism. However, in the context of tension between India and Pakistan, extreme simplifications of history thrive: Hindus are superstitious idol-worshippers; Muslims are intolerant idol-smashers. Scrupulous scholars like Richard Eaton prove that it is just not that simple.
But, as I commented at the end of my blog on Timbuktu, "Ideologues in one camp have a habit of creating ideologues in other camps, and the argument goes on and on and on..." That notion was illustrated in glorious technicolor below the line. Get your head around this logic, in one of the comments:
"if Ansar al-Din, the extremists doing the damage in Timbuktu, claim to be the only true Muslims, then we have to accept that claim, and regard what is happening in Timbuktu as Islam attacking non-Muslims."
In other words, we must accept al-Qaeda's analysis of Islam and the world, that they are the only authentic Muslims and all other Muslims must be forced to follow their creed. That strikes me as plain bonkers. What on earth compels us to accept al-Qaeda's view of things? Sufi Muslims are Muslims. Full stop. But credit where credit is due: irrational as it is, that comment does capture something essential about the thinking (for want of a better word) on this issue. Radicals like al-Qaeda want to provoke their opponents to be equally radical, because they want to create unbridgeable divisions between peoples, and an existential conflict which (they fondly suppose) will bring their appalling ideology to world domination. Commentators who define Islam as essentially incompatible with Western values are doing al-Qaeda's job for it.
Sita Ram Goel, Raymond Ibrahim and Ansar al-Din are all, in a peculiar way, speaking the same language, the language of extremes, where religions cannot communicate peacefully with one another, and complex and diverse faiths are reduced to crude caricatures. In the words of the Arab Spring activist Iyad El-Baghdadi, "Islamophobes and extreme Islamists are two peas in a pod. Both invent a radical, extreme sect and call it 'the one & only true Islam'."
But we must insist that there is another language, a precious but undervalued one. It isn't glamorous, and it requires the kind of laborious hours in the library that Richard M. Eaton put in. It resists seductively black-and-white explanations of events, and the temptation all humans feel to demonise what they do not know. It is never going to inspire young men to pull down a mosque or become suicide bombers. It is fiddly, unexciting, humane--and true. It is called moderation.
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Rudolph Ware: Timbuktu: The Ink of Scholars and the Blood of Martyrs
Llewelyn Morgan: Timbuktu: What It Really Tells Us
Paul Stoller: Targeting Timbuktu
There are thousands of Hindu temples - architectural marvels or not - that stand as mute testimony to the generosity of Muslims and as a reflection of their religious tolerance.
The author of this article should visit them and see for himself to understand the scale of destruction perpetrated by muslims in India
What a waste of talent ...
Don't know where did you get thousands of those temple list. If such types of temple there then it must be in tens or hundreds at MAX.
BUT there are thousands of Hindu temples where Muslims invaded and it shows intolerance Islamic barbaric rulers. Kashi Vishwanath, Somanath, Mathura and list is really long.
Thank god Aurangzeb isn't around, he would have been offended by this blog.
Let me take a look at this:
"To read that that you'd think that the only Muslims involved in events at Timbuktu were the ones doing the vandalism. But of course it was Islamic buildings that they were attacking. Ansar al-Din, the al-Qaeda-affiliated zealots in northern Mali, consider the traditional Sufi practices of Timbuktu to be heretical"
Well, let's see now. If the salafi reactionaries are willing to do this to other Islamic sects, what might they be willing to do to pagan monuments?
And then there's the following that I just don't get:
http://islamqa.info/en/ref/20894
Which seems to argue very extensively for the destruction of non-Islamic art.
Then there's this: "http://www.el-balad.com/222245
Google translate works well enough. Then there's the following:
http://www.elaph.com/Web/NewsPapers/2012/6/744787.html
http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/elaph.com
Which seems to indicate a rising tide of fanaticism.
And as you yourself quite clearly say and as the above fatwa very clearly says, the Islamic tendency towards iconoclasm has a long, long history.
But what troubles me most about this is seeing someone from my old alma mater go in for such foolishness.
The lights are going out all over Europe. We will not see them lit again - what was saved at Tours and Vienna is being handed over for cash and kebabs.
http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2012/05/saudi-arabia-buys-oxford.html
"Between 1995 and 2008, eight universities — Oxford, Cambridge, Durham, University College London, the LSE, Exeter, Dundee and City accepted more than £235 million from Muslim rulers and those closely connected to them."
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From the Gates of Vienna blog:
http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2012/05/saudi-arabia-buys-oxford.html
"Between 1995 and 2008, eight universities — Oxford, Cambridge, Durham, University College London, the LSE, Exeter, Dundee and City accepted more than £235 million from Muslim rulers and those closely connected to them."
Dr Llewelyn Morgan : Another Hindu-Phobic from Oxford ?
http://www.hinduhumanrights.info/dr-llewelyn-morgan-another-hindu-phobic-from-oxford/
If you have the capability of commanding an ounce of independent thought, I'd recommend you review all of Mr. Ibrahim's articles and check all his facts very carefully.
You are doing no favor to the HP by posting articles that are the clear product of a BDUI.
He goes on about Aurengzeb saying that there will no more temple destruction (which did happen anyhow), but fails to mention that Aurengzeb actually tried to impose sharia on non-Muslims, going as far as ordering the destruction of musical instruments. One has to forego telling a lot of stuff in order to make the overall point that Eaton tries to make.
As to Ayodhya, here is an interview with historian K. Elst about the archeological dig and what was found, as well as the arguments used by both sides, and the evidence which was used to try to back up the claims... http://youtu.be/C9FmXTKGPrg
First, note the discordance between Aurengzeb saying that no more temples will be destroyed, and even the leftist historians who admit that temple destruction did in fact occur, even as they cast someone who tried to impose sharia on non-Muslims as 'tolerant'!
Some links to peruse:
http://koenraadelst.bharatvani.org/articles/ayodhya/kashivishvanath.html ("Why did Aurangzeb Demolish the Kashi Vishvanath?", by K. Elst)
This above temple has a history which involves: "Aurangzeb ordered its demolition in 1669 and constructed Gyanvapi Mosque, which still exists alongside the temple.[7] Traces of the old temple can be seen behind the mosque. It is said that the Shiv-Linga was thrown in the 'well'. So the original Shiv-linga now resides in the well. The current temple was built by Ahilya Bai Holkar, the Hindu Maratha queen of Malwa kingdom, in 1780." [the mosque was left by the Hindus as they rebuilt the temple, rather than tear it down). @ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kashi_Vishwanath_Temple
"So now, we finally know where the story comes from: an unnamed mullah friend of an unnamed acquaintance of Sitaram ayya's knew of a manuscript, the details of which he took with him in his grave. This is the "document" on which secularist journalists and historians base their "evidence" of Aurangzeb's fair and secularist disposition, overruling the evidence of archaeology and the cold print of the Maasiri Alamgiri, to "explode the myth" of Islamic iconoclasm spread by the "chauvinist" Hindutva propagandists. Now you just try to imagine what the secularists and their mouthpieces in Western academe would say if Hindus offered evidence of this quality."
The "document' tells of of a folk tale of how Aurgenzeb actually destroyed the temple at the behest of an Hindu princess who had been taken advantage of by the temple priests. This made it a pro-Hindu virtuous act, supposedly. This is the UNSUBSTANTIATED story that the whole sharade hangs on, but archeology and historical documents (real ones) do not comport with this.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somnath
http://www.hinduhumanrights.info/dr-llewelyn-morgan-another-hindu-phobic-from-oxford/
And the rest has verses like this:
Qur'an (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."
Can you feeeeel the love tonight?
Answer: a lot less than 1.6 billion.