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Feminism, Men and Women-Only Spaces

Posted: 06/12/2012 23:00

The demise of feminism is back in the news again. Carla Bruni-Sarkozy and Katy Perry have both made public statements about how unnecessary feminism is to their personal lives. Suzanne Venker has not only declared feminism dead but claims that there is now a war on men. Ironically, this death of feminism has coincided with very public demonstrations of feminist activism, as well as increased public debate on the issue of the inclusion of men within the feminist movement.

Yet, the debate over the inclusion of men within feminism movement has always been important. It has never stopped being important. It has only re-emerged in the mainstream British press due to the backlash to the women-only RadFem 2012 conference in London in June; as well as the no-platforming on the Manchester Women-Up North Conference who chose to have one session for FAAB-women survivors of sexual violence only. The inclusion of men within the feminist movement has been debated for 40 years now. It never stopped being debated.

I support women-only spaces. I think they remain fundamental to the success of feminism as a political movement dedicated to the liberation of women. Yet, no one ever seems to ask feminists why they believe women-only spaces are important or why the exclusion of men from *some* feminist events is necessary for revolution. No one asks why feminists are moving back to women-only organising or why feminists are increasingly identifying as political lesbians or lesbian separatists? Why are women-only spaces, once again, becoming so important? No one asks why there is such a backlash to the thought of women-only organising? When people do ask, they don't appear to be hearing the answer.

Whilst the inclusion of men within the movement is necessary, they do not need to be involved at every meeting and conference. There are thousands of ways that men can be, and are, involved with feminist activism that doesn't require them encroaching on women-only spaces. They can help financially support women's organisations like Rape Crisis, Shakti Women's Aid, Women's Aid, Nia, or Southall Black Sisters. Men can join activist groups like Object, UK Feminista, Fawcett Society, and Abortion Rights. Men can fundraise by holding car washes and bake sales. They can join the White Ribbon Campaign and help to raise awareness about male violence against women and children.

The most important thing men can do to help the feminist movement is to challenge sexism every time they witness it. They have to challenge every rape joke. They have to challenge every man who minimises domestic violence. They have to step up every time; not just once in a while but every time they witness sexism. Sometimes this means they have to challenge themselves and recognise that their own behaviour is sexist. Sometimes it means accepting that they won't be allowed into every feminist space. As a white, heterosexual feminist it would be hypocritical of me to demand to be allowed into feminist spaces for Black, Ethnic and Minority Women. It would be equally hypocritical for me to demand entry into a feminist space for lesbians-only, just as it would be hypocritical for me to demand entry into a room of male survivors of sexual violence or testicular cancer. Campaigning for women's liberation to bring about the destruction of the capitalist-patriarchy and the creation of true equality does not mean every person deserves equal access. It means hearing the specific needs of specific groups and taking those into account. Like kindergarten, it's about learning fairness.

We need men in the feminist movement. We need men who understand the real long-term effects of male violence. We need men who listen. We need men who support without dominating. Male domination of speech, both in public and private, has been well proven in research for thirty years now. Dale Spender wrote about it in The Writing of the Sex? in 1989. Andrea Dworkin wrote about male silencing tactics in her classic text Intercourse:

"Men often react to women's words - speaking and writing - as if they were acts of violence; sometimes men react to women's words with violence. So we lower our voices. Women whisper, Women apologize. Women shut up. Women trivialize what we know. Women shrink. Women pull back. Most women have experienced enough dominance from men - control, violence, insult, contempt - that no threat seems empty."

Margaret Atwood wrote about men dominating classrooms in early 1980s. There have been countless studies in education and within the workplace that demonstrate the silencing of women's voices within the presence of men. The largest global study on violence against women found that it was the feminist movement that had the biggest impact on tackling the issue; much of this was accomplished with women-only spaces. This is what men need to recognise and understand.

The main reason why I believe women-only spaces are integral to the feminist movement is because the silencing of women's voices never stops. Sometimes the only way to stop the silencing is to uninvite men and that's the lesson men need to take from this. If they insist on attending, whose voices are they really silencing?

 

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21:23 on 11/12/2012
I agree there should be women only spaces. Then they can take all the time they want to park.
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17:11 on 11/12/2012
Interesting article.
The issue of women only anything must follow a simple rule...consistency. As long as you're not holding that exclusivity is forbidden for one sex yet ok for the other, no problems legally (or hypocritically).

This one: "They have to challenge every man who minimizes domestic violence."

What is "minimizing? Denying it is a big problem....or bringing up studies which seem to consistently show a much larger female "footprint" (in terms of violence) than what is reported? Does this data REALLY have to be "comprehensive, probative research" to spark a discussion of its findings? Is all other cited research the same? What if we read data that goes against this stereotype of men being the "overwhelming majority" of violent perps in the US/UK? Do we ignore it...for fear of appearing as though we are "minimizing?

Seems to me an open discussion is merited, long before rushing to judgment about the messenger of the unbiased research. Isn't that what sites like this are for? Intelligent people who debate do not judge so quickly.

As for end of feminism talk...I don't believe it for a second. The feminist movement is what brought equality to women. What will take it away are the extreme fringes which are just too interested in people's private lives, language, etc...
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BarryMayor
01:03 on 11/12/2012
This is funny. As mentioned in the article, most women don't even want to be associated with feminism, let alone men.
11:48 on 10/12/2012
I've noticed that in high schools today, among the younger kids in my family and even when my 20 something kids were in high school, that open lesbianism is a very popular, almost trendy, characteristic of teenage and young 20 girls. I often wonder if all of these girls are really lesbians or if they're just desperately seeking the sanctuary of women-only spaces.

My niece is a true beauty and she's been chased by boys and men since puberty. Throughout high school and her first year of college, she had a string of boyfriends, two of whom were extremely abusive to her and stalked her in a terrifying manner when she tried to break up with them. Since the last boyfriend, over a year ago, I notice she no longer seems to hang out with ANY guys and has a circle of friends that are either openly or tacitly lesbian. She says she isn't attracted to women herself but that she just loves these women and their friendship. They have girl only parties and seem to have created an exclusively female place for each other to feel safe and have fun.

It's probably a passing fad for her.She took a sharp turn after the last boyfriend who had to be expelled from their college after stalking and threatening her and attacking a young man who tried to defend her. I think she just needs a woman only space to feel safe for now.
21:55 on 12/12/2012
It is so very sad that we need to build women-only spaces to make young girls feel safe. :( This is what pro-feminist men and male allies need to acknowledge. Thank you for sharing your story.
18:45 on 08/12/2012
What I keep observing in these threads is that many men don't seem to understand that women-only spaces and the feminist movement didn't arise from a place of prejudice (unjustified prejudice, anyway). They're necessary reactions to inequality. I don't see how men can complain about exclusion when we have every other space on the planet to ourselves.
11:52 on 08/12/2012
This needs to be said, over and over.

The inclusion of men within the movement could be useful, but it is not necessary.

We should not feed the sense of male entitlement to be included everywhere and in everything. The belief that men are entitled to be everywhere is the consequence of their belief that they own the world and that everyone should defer to them. We need to challenge that.
07:58 on 08/12/2012
Not sure why my earlier comment in response to this was refused, but I'll try again: the controversy over RadFem 2012 was about trans women, NOT men. The conference insisted that it be only "female-born" women, and one of the speakers (Sheila Jeffreys) was known for anti-trans agitation and the targets would not have been able to respond. So the objections were perfectly reasonable.

I also don't see where this revival of separatism or "political lesbianism" is coming from - it seems to be the same old faces which have been popping up since the 70s and 80s. So they publish new books occasionally - that doesn't mean their ideas are any more popular or relevant now than they were before.
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18:33 on 07/12/2012
"The most important thing men can do to help the feminist movement is to challenge sexism every time they witness it. They have to challenge every rape joke. They have to challenge every man who minimises domestic violence."

That's one of the most important things men can do to help women in general.
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07:08 on 10/12/2012
Hi Bell - found the blog - thx!
11:40 on 10/12/2012
You will always find men here who will pull out MRA style "statistics" to "prove" men are now the oppressed, abused gender, but you will rarely rarely find men who will step in and confront these fools. HP has somehow become a haven for these older displaced males to gang up and spew their bitter misogyny. it must be the aol link, which brings in the older generation.

The same group of male bullies who consistently post MRA agitprop will invariably be found on only a few other topics - defending porn, prostitution, "polyamory", defending the male privilege of older men dating much younger women, defending abusers like Chris Brown, latching on to any ardent anti-feminist female (i.e. Erin Pizzey) they can locate through a link on an MRA propaganda site. They're very predictable, and overall it's the PATTERN of their interests and their opinions that mark them as misogynists. They're not creative thinkers. The MRA sites out there provide them with links to self justifying "data" and they mindlessly recycle it, then do silly victory dances that they are providing ultimate "truth" to the feminists they loathe.

I have found, in visiting various other boards, especially progressive political sites, that HP has become rather notorious for enabling this group of nasties. So it's not just our imagination. It seems to be pretty much common wisdom that HP and the MRAs go together. They like it here. They send each other here. That really is the explanation.
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12:34 on 10/12/2012
You are right. I've noticed the difference between HP and progressive sites as well. What we see, since the inception of the Divorce and Women's sections, where threads are now routinely overtaken and derailed by misogynists, is the kind of stuff one comes to expect from Yahoo or unmoderated discussion boards.

It is a shame. And it is going to drive intelligent and reasonable people away from HP, but somehow I don't think HP folks care. Clicks is all that matters.
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18:39 on 10/12/2012
"What we see, since the inception of the Divorce and Women's sections, where threads are now routinely overtaken and derailed by misogynists"

Cute. "routinely taken over" is one way to interpret open discussions where opposing views become visible. LOL
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When I saw her I marveled greatly.
16:41 on 07/12/2012
Women only are silent in the presence of *some* men. So, avoid those men, and seek others instead.
11:54 on 08/12/2012
No. Men need to change their behavior. It's not the responsibility of women to adapt.
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When I saw her I marveled greatly.
14:41 on 08/12/2012
THOSE few men need to change, but they won't change. The rest of the men don't need to change, and so they shouldn't change.
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18:24 on 11/12/2012
No. Most of us men are doing just fine. No need to adjust any behaviors on most of our part.
14:22 on 07/12/2012
Why not try googling Exposing Feminism and clicking on Marriage and Migration?
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giftsthatpurr
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07:20 on 10/12/2012
No.
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11:58 on 07/12/2012
Women only spaces seem reasonable. So do men only spaces. Women in the media opposing feminism are controversialists seeking attention to keep the paychecks coming in.

An interesting, and no doubt unwelcome development in feminism may be found in Ukraine where there are feminist organisations which are overtly anti-Islamic. These feminist movements are not embedded in the liberal worldviews of their West European counterparts.

Those who say these Ukrainians cannot be ''real'' feminists are wrong. Feminism is about equality of the sexes. It is not about multicultural liberalism. There is trouble brewing here.
10:17 on 07/12/2012
Five minutes on the internet demonstrates the importance of women-only discussion spaces. Any issue relating to women's rights is inundated with hostility, denial and abuse, and it comes overwhelmingly from men. Not all men. My, possibly, optimistic belief is that it is a very tiny, very loud minority of men. The silence of other men in response to it troubles me more. There is no doubt in my mind that the envelope of hostility that surrounds public discussion of women's rights stops women from speaking.

It is true that we need men in the feminist movement, of course. But, fundamentally, we need women in the feminist movement. Equality cannot be given to us by men, women must take it. We either are equal in status or we are not. Only by demanding and taking our rights will we achieve equality. The support of men is necessary and welcome, but it is our fight to win.
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Kevin Mcilroy
13:45 on 07/12/2012
The trouble with the internet is that it gives extremists equal access with anyone else that wants to contribute - and extremists tend to make more noise (i.e post more often) so appear to be in the majority
15:26 on 07/12/2012
Absolutely. It gives a very skewed view of the world.  It is a growing concern, I think, as people increasingly get their news online and it comes wrapped in anonymous extremist comment. You wonder what effect that may have on public opinion generally, it wouldn't be good whatever.
12:04 on 08/12/2012
I don't think it's a tiny minority, Angie. If only a minority of men hated women, we wouldn't have misogynist attacks on us all the time, both online and in real life.

People have mistaken ideas about what misogyny is. They think it has to be conscious, willful, deliberate. Nope. A guy who participates in a woman-hating system, even if he has no conscious intention of oppressing women, is still oppressing women. That participation is as easy as dismissing feminist concerns or shrugging off our complaints as mere oversensitivity. How many men do you know who do that?

They're not a minority. They're the majority.
11:04 on 09/12/2012
It isn't a tiny minority of men. If it were, Virgin Mobile US wouldn't be running a Christmas campaign which makes a joke about chloroforming women as as surprise. The fact a large multi-national corporation can use such a signifier without large scale criticism demonstrates just how many men are fine with the status quo.