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Is Britain a Christian Nation?

Posted: 03/01/12 13:54 GMT

David Cameron's statement that Britain is a Christian country is both brave and wrong. He was of course right to say that many of our morals today come from the Bible, but does that make Britain a Christian country? He was also right to draw a contrast with France and point to how, in the contemporary context at least, establishment makes it easier for those of others faiths to receive public recognition - a point often made by the Chief Rabbi. But again, does legal establishment make Britain a Christian nation?

I think not for the reason that we must distinguish the public recognition of Christianity from saying we are a 'Christian nation' and thereby identifying Christianity with national identity. The former is open to including many faiths and people of no faith as contributing to the common life of this country, each in proportion to the other, so that at the present time, it is only accurate to say that Christianity has proportionally had a bigger impact in shaping this country than say Buddhism.

Christian customary practices such as carol singing and Christmas trees, as well as prayers in Parliament or council chambers are a legitimate part of our common life. However, to say we are a 'Christian nation' is to confuse what it means to be a Christian with what it means to be British and this is to confuse the 'nation' for the church.

In theological terms this confusion has a name: it's called 'phyletism' and was condemned by the Synod of Constantinople in 1872 as a heresy. What the Synod was condemning was a move whereby national identity and ecclesial identity become synonymous such that to be Greek is to be Orthodox and vice versa. This may all seem like a matter of semantics, but to understand why careless talk costs lives we must draw a historical analogy.

On the continent, around the turn of the last century, the church faced an existential challenge. On the one hand were the parties of revolution who judged themselves to represent progress and who were anti-religious. Some Christians sided with the parties of revolution while at the same time challenging their anti-clerical and anti-religious ideologies. Christian socialism was the offspring of this marriage. On the other hand were the parties of reaction who sought to defend the iniquitous and unjust status quo in the name of stability and order. Most Christians aligned themselves with the parties of reaction. For some this was out of a fear of anti-religious ideologies, others feared disorder, while others identified their interests with the status quo. The economic and political tumult brought about by the Great Depression resulted in widespread support for the parties of revolution, which culminated in communism, and for the parties of reaction, which culminated in Fascism.

Christian Democracy as a political movement was born out of a rejection of both revolution and reaction and came to power after 1945 in Italy and Germany in the ashes of Fascism and in resistance to Communism. Unlike the parties of revolution and reaction, post-war Christian Democratic parties, alongside Social Democratic parties, sought to be broad-based, drawing together the working and middle classes, Protestants and Catholics, socialists and capitalists. They refused the politics of fear, hate and paranoia that communism and fascism thrived on and called for a politics of the common good. It was this vision of politics that lay behind the formation of the Common Market (now the EU) by the likes of Jean Monnet. Yet now both the EU and Christian Democratic parties are at a point of crisis.

Arguably, the European church today is faced with a parallel challenge to the one it faced at the beginning of the twentieth century. Those who claim to represent progress adopt anti-religious rhetorics and promote tolerance for everything but religion. While those who represent the parties of reaction are increasingly trying to co-opt Christianity as a trope for racial and national identity while demonising and scapegoating Islam and immigrants for what are economic woes brought about by a crisis in capitalism.

In this country, the EDL and BNP do this most explicitly. On the continent, parties such as Front National in France, the Swiss People's Party, and the Freedom Party in the Netherlands adopt similar tactics. Careless talk about a 'Christian nation' plays into the hands of the contemporary reactionaries.

The three-fold challenge before the churches is how to utterly condemn Islamophobia and neo-fascism, challenge anti-religious rhetorics and intolerance by so-called progressives, and honour but not make an idol of the cultural heritage of Christianity. What is needed is a renewal of a broad-based politics of the common good, one that draws together all faiths and those of no faith; passionate critics and supporters of capitalism who together seek a more just and stable financial system; and radicals and reformers, both of whom are committed to the defence of a common life. In the UK London Citizens and its work of broad-based community organising best embodies such a politics. Such efforts need urgent multiplication.

 
 
 

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David Cameron's statement that Britain is a Christian country is both brave and wrong. He was of course right to say that many of our morals today come from the Bible, but does that make Britain a Ch...
David Cameron's statement that Britain is a Christian country is both brave and wrong. He was of course right to say that many of our morals today come from the Bible, but does that make Britain a Ch...
 
 
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11:45 PM on 02/11/2012
Surveys show that Britain is not a Christian country, but it ceased to be one only a few years ago.

More here: http://bit.ly/wzt5ND
02:59 PM on 02/11/2012
Faith is a personal living experience between one and Jesus Christ who intercedes between man and God.

If Britain is a country of any following it is retail 'therapy' 'v' celebrity, and 'reality' tv.!

The fact that we are at the top of the league in Europe, in prison numbers, single mothers, drugs and drink related problems, and anything else that keeps a country spiraling down into immorality. bankrupcy abysml education and many thousands in this country without fathers or their financial support.

We are not a Christian country or none of these things would be taking place.
There is dishonesty in every area that concerns us all, from banks and governments to fuel and trading., and it has to be said within the establishment of the hierarchy of the established church in many places.

We are corrupt both morally and financially, and well on our way to complete destruction....
11:43 PM on 01/20/2012
I'm afraid that you are incorrect to suggest that Fascism is in any way reactionist. It was influenced by the tellingly named "Futurist" aesthetic movement, nationalistic and revolutionary (note that nationalism was an anti-establishment and anti-feudal force in the 1848 revolutions). Hitler condemns the aristocracy, Church and monarchy in Mein Kampf as decadent and corrupt, and the racialist version of fascism is obsessed with biologistic and eugenicists accounts of humanity and morality arising out of Darwinism. The Nazi mind was obsessed with "Volk" and blood and opposed to a cultivated international ruling class, most of whom were French-speaking and cosmopolitan. The reactionism/fascism confusion is one of the principal mistakes in the interpretation of de Maistre and still echoes in the debates of today. To call a Tory or legitimiste a "fascist" is sheer nonsense.
08:43 PM on 01/05/2012
I recently gave a talk on humanism at a local secondary school in which I dealt with the topic of whether or not Britain was a Christian country. I asked the students assembled if they could name the Christians after which the days of our week and the months of our year are named. None of them could answer the question - of course - because the days of our weeks are named after pagan or Nordic gods and the months of our year are named after Greek or Roman gods, Emperors and Latin names given to some months long before Constantine forcibly adopted Christianity as the official state religion of the old Roman Empire. Is Britain a Christian country? Of course not !!!
03:08 PM on 02/11/2012
Of course we are not a Christian country, what would the children you talked to have known of the very nature and basics of the faith? none or very little of course.

Schools have more or less banned any mention of Christianity as not to offend other religions.
The secular society believe the humanism can save the world from escallating chaos. by being nice to everyone. The very basis of human nature is the propensity to sin and ignore that it is individual sin that causes such hurt and pain in the world and in individual lives.

So if we do not love God, who is Love, then what hope is there of loving our fellow man without God? None.
06:50 PM on 01/05/2012
The UK is NOT a christian country, if fact, by the Gallup Poll, the UK is less religious than Hong Kong, which, if classified as a country, is one of the least religious countries in the world.

Its people like David Cameron that make the UK look like a theocracy such as Iran or Saudi Arabia, the UK is more secular and more atheistic than our ignorant government thinks.
07:40 PM on 01/05/2012
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11:13 AM on 01/06/2012
Since the 1950's school assemblies which were held every morning and had hymns and bible readings have been eaten away bit by bit as children of other Religions than Christianity have been allowed not to attend them. This had started when I was in school and by the time my children were in secondary school these assemblies had been abandoned as there were not many children left who had reasons not to attend it. Children who would have otherwise been attending these assemblies therefore got no Christianity taught in schools. You have to blame this on the various Governments we have had over the years.
01:51 PM on 01/09/2012
I don't think you have to blame it on anyone. You can say it is caused by but to say blamed on would imply it is a bad thing.

Schools should teach known observed information and the skills needed to apply critical thinking (at a push they could further embed a good moral framework, although this is really the job of the family).
02:55 PM on 01/09/2012
I do blame the politicly correct brigade as the words we could say when I was young are now banned. I was brought up being in contact with all nationalities whatever their colour or religion and as far as I was concerned they were no different to me other than some were different in colour. I was taught that God made them that way and was also taught that all people are equal in God's eyes. I still believe this but by being banned from saying words I have grown up with and which were not then words that are now not Politically Correct (I am not talking about swear words or foul and abusive language) just words that other races were not bothered about and in fact used them themselves. Suddenly along comes this Politically Correct Brigade and these words are called Racist etc. You only have to look back at TV Programs over the years "Love Thy Neighbour for example" and I never saw any racism at those times but now you are basically scared to open your mouth in case you say a word that is no longer allowed.
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11:56 AM on 01/05/2012
It's inaccurate to state that 'Many of our morals come from the Bible'. Most of these moral codes were widely recognised before the bible was written and were being practised in the UK before anyone had heard of Christianity.

What's new in the Bible, such as honouring the Sabbath, is frankly irrelevant.

What's relevant in the Bible, such as not killing people, was widely understood in the UK long before the Christians came along and started taking the credit for 'inventing' morality.
11:31 AM on 01/05/2012
this nation from time had followed chridtian principles and know to be aggressively involved in christianity in that they sent out missionaries to many nations to evangelise and preach christ to these nations. even King james had to use the country's treasury money to print the bibles sent abroad to ensure the ensure the missionary work is not hindered
The country has from time been engrained in christian principles, prayers were said in schools and children grew up willing to serve God and Britain with dedication. Removal of this basic principles of chritianity from our growing generation will continually subject the nation to moral decadence. chritanity should be enforced to set pace for our rootings in the fabric of this nation for this nation.
02:34 PM on 01/05/2012
You say removal of principles of Christianity will subject the nation to moral decadence, but you don't say how!
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09:35 AM on 01/05/2012
The idea that 'Those who claim to represent progress adopt anti-religious rhetorics and promote tolerance for everything but religion' is nonsense. Most people are tolerant of religion if it doesn't try to impose itself on their lives. Everyone is welcome to their own beliefs, but they shouldn't expect their beliefs to influence government. I'd be intolerant of a Muslim insisting on the implementation of Sharia law just as I'm intolerant of church schools being publicly funded to teach Christianity. Hold your own beliefs, just don't expect me to live by (or pay for) them.

Britain is a secular country with a Christian tradition. There is no longer a dominant Christian element in the population - a 2011 YouGov poll asked 'are you religious' and only 29% of people said yes. Less than half of these said they believed that 'Jesus Christ was a real person who died and came back to life and was the son of God.' That surely makes fewer than 15% of people Christian?

Obviously we need broad-based politics, but there's no reason to mention religion (or lack of it) in the same breath. Britain is secular, and should stay that way.
04:21 PM on 01/08/2012
Like you I would be intolerant of Muslims insisting on the implementation of Sharia Law but in certain areas of this country this is exactly what they want I heard it on a News program some months ago. I agree that everyone should be allowed their own beliefs whatever they may be but this country are letting some "Groups" go too far. A Muslim dressed in a full Burka with only eyes showing should not be allowed as how they be recognised if they commit an offence. It could even be a man dressed up to get away from a crime he has committed without any chance of being recognised. I also disagree with them being allowed in schools. Our tradition of school uniforms is nothing to do with any faith and all children should have to wear them without any exception.
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07:21 PM on 01/08/2012
Agreed.