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Why I Supported the Gay Marriage Bill

Posted: 06/02/2013 23:00

The Commons voted by a substantial majority in support of allowing gay marriage on 5 February. I am glad that over 130 Conservative colleagues voted for the bill and I understand why some did not, given the outright hostility to the measure among some groups in society who are over represented (statistically speaking) among Conservative Party membership.

If this bill becomes law, as I expect it will, then the UK joins many other countries that recognise same sex relationships in marriage. Same sex marriage was first legalised in the Netherlands twelve years ago. Since then it has become legal in Spain, Denmark, Argentina, Mexico City, New Zealand, Canada, South Africa and last year, for the first time in America, three states voted in public plebiscites to join the other six states and Washington DC that have legalised same sex marriage.

President Obama has declared his support, and there is no doubt that the Republican Party's result in last year's election was heavily influenced by its attachment to a right wing socially conservative agenda. France is at the same stage as the UK, with a bill going through the legislature amidst some opposition and protest. Despite the barbarism that exists still in parts of Africa, the Middle East and Asia, the trend toward giving single sex couples full marriage rights is gaining momentum.

Every independent opinion poll shows a majority of the public in support of the change. The YouGov poll for the Sunday Times found that 55% support reform and 36% are opposed. An ICM poll for the Guardian found 62% in favour with 31% opposed. But what these headline numbers don't show is the differential in support by age. People over the age of sixty five are opposed in far greater numbers than younger people. Only a minority of over sixty five year olds support the case for change; all other age groups are supportive of the bill and the younger the age group the stronger the support. The demographics of Conservative Party membership are heavily skewed to the over sixty five year old cohort which explains, in part, why my colleagues faced such huge local opposition and pressure.

The other reason why so many older Conservative supporters are against the bill is that they think the government is going to force Churches to marry same sex couples. They think that because that is the impression created by The Coalition for Marriage and some Churches.

The Coalition for Marriage, and other evangelical groups, has operated in an extreme and ruthless manner. They spent all of last year orchestrating as many hostile responses to the consultation document as possible, and the primary means by which they whipped up such vocal opposition was through a deliberate misrepresentation of the government's intentions. The scaremongering that went on was underpinned throughout by the lie that the government was going to force religious bodies to conduct same sex marriages on religious premises. Somewhat naively I expect churches and other religious institutions to aspire to the truth in their dealings and public pronouncements; in this I was sorely disappointed.

I am opposed to any obligation being placed on religious organisations to marry people of the same sex. But by setting up this straw man the Coalition for Marriage, the Catholic Church, and even, I very much regret, the Church of England who should have known better, were able to drum up a great deal of support among people who feel very strongly that marriage in church should remain between a man and a woman. Last weekend the Church of England admitted finally that it was not "realistic or likely that Churches would be forced to conduct same sex wedding"; what the Attorney General and supporters of the bill have said all along. But the lies and smears have served their purpose and, as evidenced by my colleague's postbags, most people assume that what is proposed are weddings in church for same sex couples.

What the bill is about of course is civil marriage. The claim that marriage is being redefined is wrong on many counts; the argument pre-supposes that marriage has been intrinsic to religion in an unaltered state since its origins. But that is not the case. Some heterosexual couples have declined to marry because they view marriage as an inherently patriarchal institution. In Medieval times marriage was an economic relationship and was used by men to secure their estates by ensuring that property was passed down to their legitimate, male, heir.

Conor McCarthy argues in his study of Law, Literature and Practice in respect of Marriage in Medieval England that "marriage in secular law contrasted with the ecclesiastical view of marriage in many respects. The two approaches to marriage coexisted; the Church, by and large did not interfere in secular matters relating to marriage, and the secular jurisdiction left spiritual matters to the ecclesiastical courts. The two jurisdictions had very different notions of the purpose of marriage, contradictory notions even but these contradictory notions coexisted".

The bill we are debating seeks to reform and extend marriage that is within the secular jurisdiction. The church does NOT have a monopoly over the state of marriage, it never has had and I urge my honourable friends not to give in to the unseemly and wholly inappropriate pressure that has been applied by some churches as they have crossed the line into what is the preserve of the state and secular power.

One thing that has been overlooked in this debate has been the point that gay people have always been able to marry of course. That is, as long as we have chosen someone of the opposite sex. In Hollywood such arrangements were known as lavender marriages and served to ensure that male stars had cover from the sort of rumours that would ruin their box office appeal and earnings. Far less glamorous but no less significant were marriages entered in to by male politicians of all parties who wanted to stand for Parliament, after a certain age the only way to silence career limiting questions would be to marry. Sometimes of course such marriages took place in good faith and in the strong hope that people's innate homosexuality could be suppressed and a quote "normal life" could be pursued.

Now we are asking for the right to marry each other in an open, truthful and committed sense. A clean break with the lies that necessitated our survival in years gone by. There will be many people for whom civil partnerships were and are the answer. But there are same sex couples who want to marry and I am particularly thinking of younger people who cannot understand why they shouldn't have the same opportunities to marry as everybody else.

It is vital that the concerns of opponents to the bill are addressed. Tolerance and respect need to work both ways. One issue that I think will be reinforced in the committee stage of the bill is the protection of teachers and schools. Also, the vast majority of gay people are prepared to accept that churches should not have to conduct single sex marriages, if it is against their beliefs. One day I hope that will change and it is encouraging to hear that the Quakers, the Unitarians and the Reform Jews are keen to hold ceremonies for weddings as they do at the moment for civil partnerships. But not all change can come at once and just as it is up to the state to arbitrate on secular and civil matters so it is the domain of the church to rule in spiritual matters. This bill protects both sides and now has the backing of the House of Commons, a huge step forward in the right direction.

 

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07:14 PM on 02/10/2013
Well you know you've got something bang to rights when huffpo doesn't want it posted, another thought out posting discarded without attacking anyone, using defamatory speech or otherwise.

So I'll revert to answering as to why the author voted for same sex marriage, the reason is she is a self confessed rug muncher, happy now huff.
04:01 AM on 02/08/2013
It's all about votes. And let's be honest they need as many as they can.
07:28 PM on 02/07/2013
It's important to remember that the brains of politically conservative people tend to have larger primitive fear/anger centers than those of liberals. That is why whenever important changes are introduced we have to allow the conservatives to make their displays of primitive fear and anger like the fearful toddlers they are. Once the changes are in place, they adapt.

At least in the UK you don't have to endure the embarrassing antics of Frigide Barjot and her band of UMP clowns who are ruthlessly and cyncially exploiting French homophobia for the sole purpose of attacking Hollande's government. She is doing real damage to France's image.
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11:11 AM on 02/08/2013
Being edited in the UK version of the "Huff" does'nt allow you to carry a "simplistic" view of the french debate on gay marriage...!!! "homophobia" is a convenient way of disregarding more specific questions associated with this "lobby-oriented" ruthless and cynical project....!!!
05:02 PM on 02/08/2013
LOL.  Homophobia is also an accurate way of describing the motivation of opponents of marriage equality like you.
04:20 PM on 02/07/2013
I'm sure you are a nice person, Margot, but there is a slight problem with your thesis.

No amount of public opinion in the world can make same sex unions perform the same functions as authentic marriage. No amount of legislation can sexually unite two people of the same sex. No amount of popular support can make the permanent and exclusive sexual unions of men and women upon which civilisation depends "equal" to the domestic unions of pairs of men or women, heterosexual or homosexual.

The difference between people who support "same-sex marriage" and those that oppose it is the difference not between bigots and progressives, not between people who oppose equality or who support it, but between people who know the difference between reality and fantasy, between the possible and the impossible.

Even if 99% of the population wanted "same-sex marriage", it's the job of legislators to explain that they can't deliver it, in much the same way as if 99% of the population wanted physical immortality or breakfast in bed every day. There is a reality to which the state is subservient, and when the state fails to respect that, we are in the era of legal fiction and fascism. "Same-sex marriage" may become a law, but it will always be a lie, and nobody is obliged to tell lies.
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05:13 PM on 02/07/2013
You're living in dreamworld, in which you can just say something is true and it becomes true. Fortunately (for me, at least) you're a minority opinion.
05:45 PM on 02/07/2013
No, that's the people that call the opposite of marriage, "marriage".
07:15 PM on 02/07/2013
LOL. It's you who seems to feel obliged to tell lies. Homosexual marriages are as real/unreal as heterosexual ones. As soon as procreation becomes a requirement for marriage and the law stipulates that children must be raised by their biological parents, get back to us. Until then stop with your lies and your anti-gay bigotry.
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01:02 PM on 02/08/2013
Big Brother has spoken.
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Thismortalcoil
Science is the poetry of reality
02:48 PM on 02/07/2013
Fantastic post. The following really struck a chord with me:
"The Coalition for Marriage, and other evangelical groups, has operated in an extreme and ruthless manner. They spent all of last year orchestrating as many hostile responses to the consultation document as possible, and the primary means by which they whipped up such vocal opposition was through a deliberate misrepresentation of the government's intentions. The scaremongering that went on was underpinned throughout by the lie that the government was going to force religious bodies to conduct same sex marriages on religious premises. Somewhat naively I expect churches and other religious institutions to aspire to the truth in their dealings and public pronouncements; in this I was sorely disappointed."
I was also amazed at the readiness of Christians to lie about gay marriage, given that lying is supposed to be a sin.

Then I remembered that the C of E had millions invested in manufacturing weapons until someone recently pointed out to them that killing is also supposed to be a sin.
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Mneme
The truth shall make ye fret.
10:49 PM on 02/07/2013
Never underestimate the ability of Christians to insert a 'but' into supposedly absolute commands when the purpose suits them.
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Braintree2
02:00 PM on 02/08/2013
T-M-C "I was also amazed at the readiness of Christians to lie about gay marriage, given that lying is supposed to be a sin." These people travel under the banner of Christ but they are not Christians.
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Thismortalcoil
Science is the poetry of reality
02:20 PM on 02/08/2013
Good point!
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Galician
Keep calm and carry on
12:44 PM on 02/07/2013
Spain with a strong and deep influence of the Catholic Church and with only 37 years of democratic experience passed this bill in 2005. Come on England!! Some of you must be kidding me!!

Marriage is just a civil status, well being married is, like being single or divorced, nothing more than a civil status. A religious ceremony has different connotations, for instance for Catholics it is a sacrament, but no one is asking or forcing any Church to host any gay wedding, so where is the problem?

No one needs to get married to get pregnant, actually there are a lot of single mums, so I cannot understand the problem in this point either.

Equality can't hurt anyone civilized.
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Braintree2
02:03 PM on 02/08/2013
"Spain with a strong and deep influence of the Catholic Church and with only 37 years of democratic experience passed this bill in 2005." I read that the total same sex marriages in Spain, is now 25,000 - Catholic Spain! Catholic post Fascist Spain! What does that say about the regressive mentality of those who oppose these social advances, with such poisonous vitriol?
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Galician
Keep calm and carry on
02:46 PM on 02/08/2013
Those who don't support and believe in equality are nothing but bigots and they should know that they will have less and less room in this world.
Cheers mate!
10:15 AM on 02/07/2013
The point that many people fail to understand is that governments don't marry people, because governments can't marry people. Only people marry people. People marry people through the act of sexual union. Marriage is a two step process, a commitment and a completion - a consummation. Two people of the same sex literally and physically cannot complete a marriage, it's impossible.

Governments don't marry people, they only recognise their marriages: marriages that people themselves enter into. That's where adultery and consummation come in, as recognitions of the physical reality of marriage.

Even the government has acknowledged that "same-sex marriage" is a legal fiction. The proposed law's exemption of same-sex couples from all the things that make marriage distinct from any other human relationship, from the things that actually make marriage a physical marriage, means that even it acknowledges that marriage is the sexual union of a man and a woman. That truth is literally inescapable.

If same-sex marriage was just a self-acknowledged legal fiction that we could ignore, that would be one thing. But it isn't that simple, because marriage, being what brings people into existence in an ordered fashion, is woven into the very fabric of society.

Authentic marriage does not have to be coerced, because it is organic, it is consonant with human existence. It is rooted in basic social needs and the actual physiology of adults and children: in the sexual complementarity of both sexes and the protracted and intense needs of human children.
11:24 AM on 02/07/2013
Some people just don't get it...
11:26 AM on 02/07/2013
I know. We need to explain it to them.
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Derek Northcote
11:38 AM on 02/07/2013
If you base your marriage on the insertion of a man's bits into your bits, I feel sorry for you.
11:49 AM on 02/07/2013
And how do you think you came into existence?
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