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It's Time for a Common Sense Debate About Britain's Energy Future

Posted: 14/01/2012 00:00

We have a serious challenge in the UK which must be addressed and acted upon in the next few years in the interests of us all - what forms of energy will power our country, our homes and our businesses in the near future?

This matters because in the next 10 years, nearly 25% of our current power stations will close as they come to the end of their lifecycle. What we invest in to power our future is a decision which matters, not only for the sake of the environment, but also for the jobs and the industries which will be created, from engineering to industrial design and manufacturing. Put simply, we can keep the lights on and create a lasting home-grown industry, or we can go for a fix of foreign energy.

The UK is not alone in having to face these important decisions. Germany, Spain, Denmark and the global powers of the US and China are also facing the challenge of needing to replace ageing power stations. The tsunami suffered by Japan last year has led that country to reconsider how to meet its energy needs.

It is a real concern therefore that certain sections of the media, urged on by think tanks keen to make headlines, are striving to make this a debate based on their own pseudo-science, rather than the crucial facts. In doing so, they risk damaging a growing industry which is creating thousands of engineering jobs and a export manufacturing industry for the UK of which we can all be proud.

In Germany, nearly 10% of electricity is produced by wind power. The country's engineering sector has created a major turbine export industry which supplies the world. With nearly 30,000 wind turbines located mainly onshore, the German government has produced a policy which will seek 100% reliance on renewable energy for electricity production by 2050. This undertaking will include a further expansion of wind farms, particularly offshore.

When Chancellor Merkel announced last year her administration would phase out its ageing nuclear power stations and not replace them, it was considered to be a response to the Fukushima disaster in Japan. This may have played a part in that decision, but it was also taken because her country had invested in a successful alternative, boosting German industry, and ending much of its dependence on other sources of power.

So why then has the think tank Civitas claimed that "there is no economic case for wind power"? They argued that back-up costs from non-renewable energy sources at times when the wind doesn't blow means that wind would be more expensive; they stated this back-up might contribute to carbon emissions; they also said the National Grid would need to be developed to take power from wind farms to where people live, adding to costs.

This alleged need for extensive and expensive back-up is an argument that has not held back Germany, Spain or the USA. That is because in their far more mature wind energy industry, it has been proved not to be a significant challenge at all. Wind has, because of its very reliability, been a major contributor to reducing carbon emissions. As for the need to develop the grid, this is required for most new power sources as they are not near the facilities they replace. So as we renew a substantial percentage of our power generation in the next ten years, this will be a major consideration for any new power stations, whether they are wind farms or not.

Ruth Lea, the author of the Civitas report, does concede that "a mix of technologies is preferable for operational reasons". I could not agree more. But then she lowered the tone by describing wind energy as an "expensive folly".

The only folly I can see is that of ignoring the development of the wind energy industry in other countries where so many of our peers see their path to secure, safe, clean energy production to be anchored by wind.

So, as we engage in this crucial debate in the coming months we must base these vital decisions on what has been proved to work in other countries - not pseudo-science - and what is already creating lasting and affordable energy solutions and a home-grown engineering industry here in the UK. This is not just for the benefit of future generations, it's for the sake of common sense.

Maria McCaffery MBE is the Chief Executive of RenewableUK, the trade association for Britain's wind and tidal energy industries.

 

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We have a serious challenge in the UK which must be addressed and acted upon in the next few years in the interests of us all - what forms of energy will power our country, our homes and our businesse...
We have a serious challenge in the UK which must be addressed and acted upon in the next few years in the interests of us all - what forms of energy will power our country, our homes and our businesse...
 
 
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03:53 PM on 02/06/2012
We need a robust and reliable Electrical infrastructure that will not release tons of carbon into the atmosphere. I may not be too clever and I'm no scientist or politician, just an ordinary punter. The only way forward for the forseeable short to medium future is NUCLEAR power. And while you are at it, why not build a MAGLEV track between London and Birmingham. Much faster and safer than the proposed HST, and there would be plenty of capacity from our Nuclear plants. Cant hear the French complaining?
10:04 PM on 01/15/2012
" Wind has, because of its very reliability, been a major contributor to reducing carbon emissions. "

Numerous studies have shown this statement to be a canard. As wind even over a wide area grid, requires constant backup at 100% nameplate capacity from low efficiency gas plant run inefficiently. Less gas less GHG's, less money replacing that deadly combo with high efficiency gas plant.
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Paul Wagland
Resistance is fertile
05:14 PM on 01/16/2012
So why must wind be backed up by low-efficiency gas plants rather than high-efficiency ones?

Gas is no answer - it's a finite resource. Our fuel prices will go ever upwards.
06:25 PM on 01/16/2012
Because high efficiency gas plants use steam a head of which takes a good while to build up - too slow to respond to rapid wind fluctuations. So far the cheapest alternative to the gas is pumped hydro storage adding a buck a kwh to wind cost.
ThinkCreeps
Seriously, it's time.
09:45 PM on 01/16/2012
You don't need instant response, because wind is forecast many hours in advance. You do indeed need capacity to cover long calm spells, but you can do that with combined cycle gas, as you have days of warning.

You're presumably set in a US mindset with a local grid model. The UK has a national grid. If you want efficiency and quick response you can also in principle get that from expensive, but small Rolls-Royce-WR21-type recuperated turbines.
10:02 PM on 01/16/2012
They can't forecast wind gusts/speeds in my area more than a few minutes in advance. Needs 100% OCGT coverage for response.

For long calm spells you still have to buy the costly gas plant at at 100% wind's name plate capacity. The WR21's are extremely inefficient.
07:22 PM on 01/15/2012
SCANA South Carolina power utility tell us its new first of a kind nuclear cost is 7.6 cents a kwh and it is the cheapest alternative available to it. Because of its high borrowing costs that is almost double what efficient public power producer TVA would pay for the same high capital cost install.

"Why Nuclear?” If you look at the chart at the top right of the slide below, SCANA provided their all-in cost estimates for nuclear ($76/MWh), natural gas ($81/MWh), coal ($117/MWh), offshore wind
($292/MWh) and solar ($437/MWh). For them, “new nuclear continues to be the low cost alternativ"

http://www.scana.com/NR/rdonlyres/94A681F0-6304-46A9-932E-8F7224FC052E/0/SCANA2011AnalystDayPresentation.pdf

Here's Stephen Byrne, executive vice president of South Carolina Electricity and Gas, explaining why a utility executive would opt to build a new nuclear power plant.

“We choose nuclear over other energy alternatives for four main reasons. First, the need for baseload power. The new units will help meet state regulatory reserve margin requirements. Second, cost. Nuclear is competitive with other baseload options when evaluated over its 40-year design life. Third is fuel diversity, adding units 2 and 3 [at V.C. Summer] will increase the share of nuclear in our fuel portfolio from approximately 11 percent to approximately 30 percent…Fourth is its low greenhouse gas emissions.”
ThinkCreeps
Seriously, it's time.
02:08 PM on 01/16/2012
Mr Byrne needs to note in addition that government indemnity from liability is the key thing that makes money for him from nuclear plant. That, and the fact that the money train, and the company's stock value, stops dead at the instant one of his plants breaks or has an accident.

In the artificial game he's being allowed to play, it makes sense.
06:38 PM on 01/16/2012
Actually his industry carries far higher indemnity then does any other industrial energy facility in America. With the worst imaginable nuke accident caused by criminal activity in an fragile ancient 50's designed reactor leaving no dead and the long term damage limited to the reactor itself Fuku shows us how small the potential liability is.

On the other hand, it would be impossible to build wind/solar plant if the families of the thousands of citizens murdered every year by deadly fine particulate air polluting radioactive gas spewing fracked natural gas plant required to backup wind/solar at 100% nameplate, could sue.

Given that a single terrorist with a shoulder fired missile could wipe out many American cities in a nuclear bomb sized LNG storage or tanker explosion, while the zero death meltdown risk in a modern nuke reactor is now certified by the NRC at 1 such accident in every 5 million years of plant operation, I'd say he was making a same bet.
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09:46 PM on 01/16/2012
And the nuclear industry has lied in the past....
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Paul Wagland
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05:16 PM on 01/16/2012
While SCANA might not be paying the full cost for nuclear, the public surely are. Partly in their energy bills, and partly in tax-funded subsidies.
06:41 PM on 01/16/2012
Actually nuclear power has no current subsidies.
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NJP1
05:48 PM on 01/15/2012
the debate surrounding this post is both fascinating and terrifying, mainly because all the commenters miss the point of the fix we're in.
All the proposals for alternatives , without exception, suggest ways of producing electricity. Whereas our entire civilisation functions on fossil fuels for more than just power alone. literally everything has embedded within it a quantity of energy derived from coal oil or gas, Your home and everything in it could not exist without it, your job would vanish, as would our transport system and your entire food supply. we have built our world on hydrocarbons, yet we are offered the nonsense of 'infinite electricity' as if that will somehow allow mankind to continue 'business as usual'
The output from 1000 windfarms won't produce an inch of (hydrocarbon) insulation on electric wiring or an ounce of artificial fertiliser. Remove insulation from wiring and we're bombed back into a medieval society, when we can no longer make artificial fertiliser we'll be killing each other for food.
There really are no alternatives folks, so take windfarms and solar panels off your wishlists
http://www.yourmedievalfuture.com/
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Paul Wagland
Resistance is fertile
05:17 PM on 01/16/2012
Small-scale organic farms produce their own fertiliser, as well as providing more food, jobs and biodiversity per hectare. That aspect of a medieval future I can live with.
11:22 PM on 01/14/2012
Wind turbines and wave or hydro all good, however there are far better ways. The matter of the situation is our scientists are severally underfunded. Apart from the Government issue scientists or weapon scientists that is. Also there is the fact of control and let's face it all our Governments are expert at that. They like the monopoly of the money because it funds there silly little elite/masonic wars and us public just keep voting.

That's why we are still yet without Nuclear Fusion, when it is so close. But inherited a mass amount of global conflict and world debt over a war which about a fuel which could be made obsolute. The current cost of the Iraq and Afgan war could have improved the current nuclear fussion programs across the world and we could alll be a step closer to cleaner, more efficient power resources.
11:07 PM on 01/14/2012
This subject is pure irony, with the technology already in existence of other energy resources. Yet we still don't see them in public use. Technologies such as magnetic turbines which is a free unlimited source, or bio fuels such coconut oil, sufficiently used by the Bougainville rebels in a legendary uprising against the Australians. Or even nuclear fusion, rather than the current nuclear fission.

The question we all need to be asking is WHY? Because the oil tycoons and governments and more importantly WORLD ELITE, make to much money out of the current fuels and technology. In short we all need to wake up and smell the cheese. Before alot of nations find there selves with complete generations of people feeling angry, suppressed, dictated to, HELLO. It's already happening.
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NJP1
05:30 PM on 01/15/2012
it's a basic law of the universe we live in, that you can't get something for nothing. it is a prevailing and dangerous nonsense that somewhere 'out there' is a 'free energy' technology that is being witheld from us as some form of conspiracy. There really is no 'free' unlimited source. And you'd make more sense by banging coconut shells together than expecting their oil to deliver a viable energy source. We will go on burning fossil fuel energy until there's none left, after that our civilisation is at an end
http://www.yourmedievalfuture.com/
08:41 PM on 01/15/2012
No, the basic law of physics is energy can not be created or destroyed, only transferred.

Magnetism can produce free energy in this way because it already has the energy. For example if I tied a metal ring to a piece of string and then dangled it over a magnet, the magnet would have the energy to spin the metal ring around. There is a transfer for energy from the magnet and the metal. Both transfer to spin the ring around and around it will never stop spinning as long as it is within distance of the magnet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcV1KSvaQbw&feature=related.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdNHKUCbNmE&feature=related.

here is a couple of links .

Also there are more efficient ways of producing energy than fossil fuels, Nuclear Fusion should have far more funding and is something which we should be able to achieve. I am sure the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan cost alot 100 of billions a year. This money could have already us a fusion using civilization.
09:56 PM on 01/14/2012
in days of high pressure calm wind turbines are useles what do you suggest? that we twiddle our thumbs until the wind blows again> get real nuclear is the only choice for a continued supply of power for the uk.
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alvdh1
10:28 PM on 01/14/2012
That's why energy efficiency, super efficient combined heat power, wave, tidal, solar, geothermal, wind, landfill gas and fuel cells can fill any power void caused by the closure of ageing power stations.
06:25 AM on 01/15/2012
Wave, tidal and solar can't help, because we still need power at the turn of the tide at night on a calm day with no wind or waves.
08:36 PM on 01/14/2012
How does wind compare to oil/gas when oil/gas equivalent is $150 barrel? For a plan to take into account economic environment ten years from now we should base arguments on likely future costs. All I saw cited from Civitas report was some data about nuclear power costs which even I know are totally unreliable.
ThinkCreeps
Seriously, it's time.
11:36 AM on 01/17/2012
Civitas delivered what it was paid for.

Wind always looks reasonably good in windy places. The problem for the UK is that the windiest places are a long way - about 400 miles - from significant demand, and sufficient grid connections are not in place across the sensitive intervening landscape. New pumped storage hydro is probably necessary in Scotland alongside this development, which makes it expensive.

Shale gas in the UK could now change the local natural gas market landscape too, since there is no LNG import or export capability.
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healthanalyst
Banned from commenting, so?
12:06 AM on 01/18/2012
Would coal plants with the latest emission control technology be a solution? Or imported natural gas?
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05:23 PM on 01/14/2012
We need to go 100% nuclear now ,to guarantee reliability of supply .Wind power is a just plain silly .as is carbon capture. Last two winters we bought most of our electricity from France,most of which is nuclear generated.The huge windmills built down the M74 corridor I have yet to see actually working , last time I came up they were all shut down and feathered because the wind speed was too high. Ludicrous.
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Thismortalcoil
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06:28 PM on 01/14/2012
You're aware uranium is a finite resource right? What do you propose we do when that runs out?
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MrBIgp
If I'm wrong, please show me
03:58 AM on 01/15/2012
There is plenty of uranium in lower grade ores and in seawater to run the world for the next thousand years. Fast breeder technology would increase the fuel supply to tens of thousands of years. LFTR technology using thorium would power the world for millions of years.
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03:47 PM on 01/16/2012
Wrong ,see MrBlgp
ThinkCreeps
Seriously, it's time.
11:39 AM on 01/17/2012
The electricity link from UK-France can only carry 2GW - since the UK uses something like 50GW, that's clearly not a majority.

If your machine can generate 5MW, you need to be careful lest it try to make 10MW. The fraction of the time that wind turbines have to close down for too high windspeeds is small.
11:33 AM on 01/14/2012
100% agree a debate on our power generation capabilities are undertaken as a mater of urgency.
This debate needs to get its head out of the clouds with regards to renewable energy. That is because we need a facility in the national grid to support the base load and also have the ability to respond quickly to fluctuating demands, tea breaks during corrie, football matches etc. Wind alone will cannot support these functions especially in periods of calm weather, anyone remember the winter of 2009/2010 the weather system was practically stationary which resulted in the severe cold temperatures and little or no wind for days. Gas, oil, coal, or pumped storage(reservoirs dropping water down pipes) or nuclear power can and do meet these demands. Electricity for the grid currently is near impossible to store so it has to be a variable load driven network, The strategic solution needs to have a mix of fuel types and not just pandering to the green voice. Apart from that its really easy.
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rabidrightwatch
Green lefty & active environmentalist
02:55 PM on 01/14/2012
...for the record, there are operating stations in Spain and Nevada which generate & store solar power for use in the hours of darkness (not sure of the technology, but it involves super-heating silicon) and I have a solar PV back-up battery system installed for grid failure and/or for power after dark.
So there are rapid developments in energy storage, which you quite rightly point out has been the main problem for wider use.

Yes, we need to investigate all pollution-free forms of energy generation, and all the 'green voice' wishes is that green energy receives, and continues to receive, a reasonable initial subsidy, unlike nuclear has received an ongoing subsidy for many decades.

You are also correct in saying that wind is not the answer, but it's part of the solution we all seek in our individual ways to achieve energy security.
05:40 PM on 01/14/2012
Yes the solar arrays heat a salt solution up to a very high temperature and it is its latent heat that allows it to heat secondary water to produce some power. However this is would not be economical to scale up to the powers required for the national grid. Your back yard solar PV & battery combo also is not suitable to scale up to the required power uses for the grid. How do you think nuclear submarines get power when they have to shut down? Batteries, bloody big ones and lots of them. That is only sufficient for a couple of hours of minimum use until the reactor is back at power again.

An interesting thought that also has been posited by some is that the planet as a whole is a power system, i.e the wind, weather, tides etc are all caused by the thermal solar & cosmic energy imparted upon the planets surface. Now if we take excess energy out & convert it into pv, wind to electricity, tide to electricity are we not taking out the energy required to drive our weather systems? What problems could that cause?
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rabidrightwatch
Green lefty & active environmentalist
10:28 AM on 01/14/2012
A sensible debate...?? Now I can really see this happening...

For those who are comparing wind & other renewables with 'conventional' or nuclear, you're comparing apples with pears.

Wind, even to the most convinced renewable power advocates, was never seen as a replacement for current generation sources.
Wind is only a part of a raft of renewable sources to eventually replace fossil-fuelled power sources and nuclear.

Nuclear is expensive & potentially, catastrophically dangerous. Every watt of nuclear energy since the first station opened in 1956 is subsidised in our quarterly bills - to this day.

In the long-term, Britain must face the inconvenient facts - fossil fuels are getting more scarce, and in a market-driven environment, that means it gets increasingly more expensive.

We need a mature, balanced debate on our energy future, incorporating as many renewables as possible, backed up - in the short-term - by 'conventional' power sources, which can be gradually phased out as newer, less polluting forms of energy are developed.

If we continue as we are, we will hit the proverbial brick wall, and no sensible person should avoid seeking a solution for this and future generations.

There are things we can do right now, and others that will take more time, but wind - in the best wind source area in Europe - must remain as part of our energy future.

The potential sites will cause local anguish, but that's another argument for another day.
07:09 PM on 01/15/2012
Actually nuclear is the cheapest form of energy by far available to us currently 2 cents a kwh and there are no subsidies.
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alvdh1
08:55 AM on 01/14/2012
Nuclear waste can potentially be disposed of by lowering this nuclear waste from surface ships down to the ocean bottom, and then using deep sea robotics to jet these containers of processed nuclear waste into the ocean bottom around the bases of active undersea volcanoes, where lava flows from these active undersea volcanoes can permanently sequester this nuclear waste. There are hundreds of active undersea volcanoes to potentially choose from around the world. - Rick Carter
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rabidrightwatch
Green lefty & active environmentalist
10:39 AM on 01/14/2012
I don't dispute the potential of your suggestion, but if your solution was feasible, I'm sure the nuclear industry would have thought of this all by themselves.

The safe disposal of nuclear waste has been the unsolved 'problem' since day one, and the best we have come up with so far is 'safe and secure storage awaiting a disposal solution' to quote the Authorities.

Whilst safe and secure storage is essential, it is also energy-intensive and a security nightmare for as long as it's lethal - many hundreds of thousands of years.

Long ago, it was calculated that no nuclear plant ever built has ever 'paid back' the energy to construct, maintain, run throughout its lifetime, decommissioning and the old thorny problem of 'safe disposal of nuclear waste'.

If you've come up with a solution as briefly described in your post, I'd be inclined to have it peer-reviewed and, if successful, be ready with a fleet of trucks to carry away all the money.
.... but don't hold your breath.
07:11 PM on 01/15/2012
Problem solved.

All the worlds nuclear waste now perfectly contained would fill 1% the volume of the Great Pyramid at Giza which has lasted 5000 years - less than a football field buried 40 feet deep. Not waste. It is fuel enough to power the world for hundreds of years while being destroyed in gen IV reactors like India's new 500 MW first of 5 units. Ironically that is the only way to get rid of it.
08:36 AM on 01/14/2012
The ultimate energy solution for the U.K. is hybrid nuclear / thermonuclear breeder reactors, although solar and wind energy can certainly be used to supplement. These types of hybrid reactors can also potentially burn nuclear waste as fuel. Furthermore, they can also be turned off quickly with the simple flip of a switch. As far as liquid fuel goes, I would recommend that they focus on methanol as an economically and environmentally "friendly" fuel. - Rick Carter
08:43 AM on 01/14/2012
Nuclear waste can potentially be buried at the base of active undersea volcanoes, so the lava flows from these undersea volcanoes can be used to permanently sequester this nuclear waste. There are hundreds of active undersea volcanoes to potentially choose from around the world. - RC
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Paul Wagland
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06:55 PM on 01/14/2012
Surely that would be hugely expensive? And what happens if the volcano goes dormant?
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Paul Wagland
Resistance is fertile
06:59 PM on 01/14/2012
Uranium is a finite resource. As fossil fuels run out, more and more nuclear stations will be built to replace gas/oil/coal-fired ones. This demand, along with declining supply, will send the cost of uranium through the roof. Renewable energy has no fuel cost and not restriction on supply.
07:16 PM on 01/15/2012
Uranium is one of the most common minerals we have and there is a infinite supply in ocean water which can be exacted at twice current cost. Since the cost of mined uranium is only a tiny fraction of cent per kwh your argument is a canard.

With Gen IV reactors burning already mined uranium DU and waste there is no need to mine any more in any case.
08:07 AM on 01/14/2012
The problem with wind power is that you still have to be able to deliver your peak electricity demand on a calm day, so it doesn't reduce the number of power stations that have to be built, it just enables them to be run less often. Without radically improved storage technologies, that tends to make wind power (and also solar, wave and tidal power) too expensive, since it doesn't reduce capital costs elsewhere. The renewables to concentrate on are the ones that work 24 hours a day, 365 days a year -- geothermal, ocean thermal and of course hydroelectric -- and can thus provide part of the base load.
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alvdh1
10:31 PM on 01/14/2012
Not if the grid is interconnected with multiple wind farms from around the country.
06:26 AM on 01/15/2012
Th UK is small enough that a large area of high pressure can cause there to be no wind anywhere in the country.
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alvdh1
07:19 PM on 01/15/2012
All are nonsense as wide area low wind/solar events are common and storage adds a buck a kwh to the total cost.