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Get Rid Of Dave? How Exactly Would That Help the Tories?

Posted: 11/03/2013 14:19

Last week I wrote a blog entitled: "Have the Balls bashers gone mad?"

This week I have to ask the question: is it really the Tory right that's gone mad? Taken collective leave of its senses? The non-stop chatter about whether or not Cameron will survive until 2015 and the endless speculation about whether it'll be Theresa May or Boris Johnson who succeeds him is bizarre - and the leadership-bid-that-never-was from unknown Tory backbencher Adam Afriyie was simply beyond parody. In fact, I find myself, weirdly, unusually and unexpectedly, coming to the defence of our poor prime minister.

Memo to Tory plotters and rebels: it ain't all Dave's fault. Nor will forcing the PM to fall on his sword to spend more time with his DVD collection save your party from defeat in the Euro elections in 2014 or the general election in 2015.

Don't get me wrong. I have long argued that David Cameron is a deeply overrated politician, and out of his depth on the economy in particular. His failure to win a majority in 2010, despite being up against a tired and hapless Gordon Brown is evidence of how unpopular the Tory leader is; the long list of U-turns he has since had to perform in office reveals a lack of basic competence and attention to detail.

But to pretend that the Tories would have done any better in 2010 under a more right-wing, less socially liberal candidate is pure bunk, belied by every study that's been conducted on the results of the last general election. And to believe that Liam 'freeze all spending despite the failure of auserity' Fox or Philip 'freeze all spending except in my own department' Hammond would win the party more votes than Cameron come 2015 is nothing short of delusional.

But what about Theresa May, I hear you ask? Yes, in the words of John Rentoul, "the attraction of a comprehensive-educated, Thatcher-like alternative who is tough on crime is obvious". Might she also help the Tories win back women voters? Maybe.*

Yet, as the Sunday Times/YouGov poll yesterday revealed, only 12% of voters think she would do a better job than Cameron, compared to 35% who say she'd be worse. Some of us haven't forgotten Catgate either.

It cannot be said often enough: the prime minister continues to outpoll both his party and the coalition. Yes, he and his allies are too "posh, male and white"; yes, the prime minister has been unable (unwilling?) to silence his backbench critics through the usual combination of charm, patronage and... intimidation.

The Tories' problems, however, are more structural than personal; more about policy than personnel. Thus regime change is, in a sense, irrelevant.

Perhaps the wilfully-blind Tory rebels should consider the following six questions.

1) How would replacing Dave with, say, Boris change the fact that the voting system is so skewed against the Tories that the party needs a double-digit lead over Labour in order to secure a single-seat majority in the Commons - especially after Conservative backbench rebels (and not Cameron) provoked the Lib Dems into opposing boundary changes?

2) How would replacing Cameron with Adam Afriyie change the fact that the Tories need to up their share of the vote at the next general election in order to win a majority - an achievement that was beyond even the ability of their heroine Margaret Thatcher at the height of her powers (in 1983 and 1987)?

3) How would replacing Cameron with Theresa May win over the three key groups of voters that Cameron failed to seduce in 2010 - public-sector workers, Scots and ethnic minorities?

4) How would replacing Cameron with Philip Hammond help the Conservative Party detoxify its brand in a country where 42% of voters say they would "never" vote Tory (compared to 30% for Labour)?

5) How would replacing Cameron with Michael Gove prevent a looming triple-dip recession, or give economic growth a much-needed boost? How would it cancel out the four-fifths of public spending cuts that are still to come?

6) How would replacing Cameron would Liam Fox stop the flow of Lib Dem voters to Labour? "Ed Miliband is finding it very hard to persuade voters to switch from Mr Cameron's party to his," wrote ConHome's Paul Goodman in December. "But he doesn't need to do so in order to nudge Labour's poll share, come 2015, into the mid-30s or higher: all he must do is to hold on to those Lib Dem defectors."

Do the rebels on the right have adequate answers to any of these six questions? Do they even recognise the existence of such awkward queries? Or do I a smell a bit of denialism on their part?

Look, I get why unhappy - and more 'traditional' - Tories look at the polls, look at the Eastleigh result, and focus their ire on Cameron and his 'modernizing', gay-marrying, Notting Hill ways. Change the leader, they wail, and we'll be able to give Labour (and Ukip) a good kicking. It's a seductive if simplistic proposition. But, for once, personality politics is irrelevant. The Conservative Party's problems are much wider and deeper - psephological, historical, geographical and, perhaps above all else, related to the state of the economy.

And what I don't get is how putting Boris, Theresa, Adam, Michael, Liam or Philip in charge, in Dave's place, will help solve such seemingly insoluble problems.


* For those on the right who automatically and patronisingly assume that putting a woman on the ticket wins over female voters, I have just two words: Sarah Palin.

 

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Last week I wrote a blog entitled: "Have the Balls bashers gone mad?" This week I have to ask the question: is it really the Tory right that's gone mad? Taken collective leave of its senses? The non-...
Last week I wrote a blog entitled: "Have the Balls bashers gone mad?" This week I have to ask the question: is it really the Tory right that's gone mad? Taken collective leave of its senses? The non-...
 
 
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stciappelletto
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02:16 AM on 03/31/2013
Cameron inherited a mess and has in some respects been moderate, e.g. with gay marriage and such.

That may leave some of the party faithful in a snit but won't move them to the left or center where they can expect worse.

Most of the talk of a replacement sounds like the usual media tripe, generating controversy to draw attention.

The key question would be how a replacement would make different choices in the present difficult circumstances. There is room for improvement with those choices, but is another Conservative going to end this austerity nonsense, for example.
04:21 PM on 03/29/2013
Why do you assume its the Tory right who stir up leadership guarrels ? surely it would make more sense to accuse the left as the real plotters, as they are out to derail any progress the government makes! would this not be the case?
01:15 PM on 03/25/2013
The strength of the Conservative Party traditionally lay in its unity and discipline: however, since the 1990's they have forgotten this. The "bastards", as John Major called the eurosceptic right wing of the party, are still up to their old tricks. For the Conservatives, this is a recipe for electoral disaster: shifting to the right may help to fight off UKIP, but it leaves the centre wide open for Labour. And the old truism that elections are won or lost in the centre remains true. Whether Milliband has the sense to seize this opportunity is another question.
12:32 PM on 03/17/2013
IF THE IMMIGRANT LEVELS FELL IN WITH WHAT RESOURSES AND EMPLOYEMENT IS AVALIABLE RATHER THAN THE WHOLE CHEAPER WAGES THING AND THOSE WHO ARE HOMIES CAN SEE IT IS DONE FAIRLY AND DONT TAKE AWAY RESOURSES THEY DESERVE TO ACCOMIDATE AND THEY HAVE TO RESPECT OUR LAWS AND WAYS LIKE EVERYONE ELSE WE WOULD'NT HAVE THE REDICULOUS SITUATION WE HAVE NOW TO WORRY ABOUT .INC WELFARE/HOUSING/EMPLOYMENT/NHS/SCHOOLS OVERFLOWING /HOMELESS ECT ECT .THATS SIMPLE MATHS
12:22 PM on 03/17/2013
NOT REALLY ABOUT WHICH PARTY TAKES THE TOP SPOT ANYWAY ,ITS ABOUT HAVING A GOV THAT WORKS .I LIKE THE IDEA OF A UNIVERSAL PARTY ,AT LEAST IN THE HOUSE WHERE THE IMPORTANT THINGS THAT EFFECT THE WHOLE COUNTRY GET SORTED AND APPROVED/ DISSAPPROVED IN DETAIL PROPERLY ,IS THAT NOT WHATS REALLY IMPORTANT .CAN STILL BE INDEPENDENT WITH VIEWS VA;UES IF THATS WHAT WANNA DO BUT WE NEED EVERY ANGLE OPTION AND SO ON ABOUT THINGS ANYWAY TO MAKE BETTER DECISIONS . ALL THIS TORIES DID THIS LABOUR DID THAT LIBS WHATEVER NONSENSE IS NOT TRUE POLITICS AND RESPECTING OUR PEERS IS A HUGE PART OF MAKING IT WORK .IF SOMEONE IS GOOD WITH FLEXIBILITY TO BE WILLING TO THINK BEYOND THE BOX AND HAS THE MOTIVATION TO GET THE POLITICS CORRECT THEY ARE AN ASSET TO THE PEOPLE AND THE COUNTRY AND ITS PLACE WITHIN THE GLOBAL ECCONOMY ,THAT NEEDS HEALTHY PRODUCTIVE DEBATES NOT FINGER POINTING TANTRUMS TOOING AND FROWING (STREET LEVEL WORDS WELCOME) AND SOMEONE WHO CAN PUT ALL THE IDEAS TOGETHER AND WORK OUT HOW TO JOIN THEM ALL UP WITH NO SILLY POINTLESS STUFF OR ENDLESS LAVISH GET TOGETHERS OR POSTERS AND NOT SO MUCH OF THE FREEBIES EITHER
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25sammy25
We just wanna be togever !!!!
06:57 PM on 03/19/2013
Excuse me darkgoku301, but has your capital lock jammed ?? It makes very hard reading a comment all in capitals.
01:16 PM on 03/25/2013
Electronic equivalent of green ink?
12:00 PM on 03/17/2013
WHATS GENDER GOT TO DO WITH ABILITY TO DO THE ACTUAL JOB OR WILLINGLY DEMONSTRATES A WILLINGNESS TO WORK IN HARMONY WITH ALL THE PARTY POPPERS IN THE HOUSE WHEN IN THE HOUSE TO MAKE SURE THE COUNTRY ALL OF IT EVEN THE SLUMS OR ETHNIC DWELLERS IS A HAPPY THRIVING PROPERLY EDUCATED FROM SCRATCH WITH THE OPTIONS THERE TO DECIDE WHAT THEY LIKE /INTERESTED/GOOD AT ECT ECT AND A CHANCE TO MAKE USE OF THEIR CHOSEN PATH AND OR GOOD TRAINING/APPRENTIC OPPORTUNITIES AS A NORM .EVERYONE IS RELEVENT AND THERE WELL BEING FACTORED IN CAUSE WHOEVER UNDERSTANDS STUFF RELEVENT .WILLING TO ASK PROFFESSIONALS OUT THERE TO THROW IN SOME IDEAS AND BUISSNESS PEOPLE WHO ARE GOOD AND TRUSTWORTHY FOR INPUT ,YOU KNOW STUFF LIKE THAT .KNOW ANYONE? MIGHT EVEN REMEMBER THE MATHS KINDA HELP TO KEEP THE BOOKS IN CHECK TOO SO ALL THE IMPORTANT STUFF SORTED FIRST AND ANYTHING ELSE SECOND TO THAT .INVEST IN THE PEOPLE FIRST ,NHS EDUCATION BOARDER CONTROL DONE PROPERLY AND FAIRLY EMPLOYMENT PUBLIC SECTOR ARE ABLE TO ACTUALLY ASSIST THE PEOPLE ,ALL THAT OTHER STUFF TOO .A FAIR AND REASONABLE CO OPERATING WITH EACH OTHER AND TALKING EVEN TO PEOPLE HAPPY NICE SOCIETY WHERE PEOPLE SMILE ALOT .MIGHT TAKE A WHILE BUT VERY DOABLE IF WE PUT THE THOUGHT AND EFFORT IN FROM THE OFF.NO NONSENSE NO FRILLY THRILLS JUST HONEST POLITICS UP TO DATE AND EVERYTHING ?SOUNDS TOO MUCH TO ASK OF ANYONE .
05:25 PM on 03/17/2013
what?
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01:16 AM on 03/18/2013
I can HEAR those posts :-P
05:24 PM on 03/15/2013
all the speculation is because murdoch is communicating that he has MORONcams successors already picked out and there is no end to those wanting his support. murdoch has never let go of the strings just hid away making plans, he believes that UKIP especially Farage will hunger for power of any sort and therefore give him what he wants. Farage is all for the likes of murdoch and will support laws that reduce any workers rights to nothing. Farage will also stop europe preventing murdoch expanding. MORONcam is now being challenged by murdoch to show his worth. what we need are MPs and police etc who cannot be corrupted then murdoch and co have no power.
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treborc
once Labour now none voter...
12:26 PM on 03/17/2013
Far better to have control of the media firmly in government hands...
02:03 PM on 03/14/2013
To Quote you Mehdi, " I find myself, weirdly, unusually and unexpectedly, coming to the defense of our poor prime minister." UnQuote . Mehdi take a coffee brake ! , this sent a shiver down my spine . Don't feel sorry for him , he can always go back to selling used cars ,or what ever he used to do.
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11:45 AM on 03/16/2013
Previously in PR. Then before that he was at uni as part of the bullingdon club going round bullying and mocking those that were poorer than them. And now he's back in that role as PM.
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abandon hope
12:07 PM on 03/14/2013
There are no leaders in either party,that is the dilemma people face when thinking who they should vote for,so what will they do come the next election,what they always do,kick the present incumbents up the backside,and spend the next 5 years moaning.I hate Tony Blair with a passion,but I have to admit,he had charisma,and was a leader,where are the leaders that we desperately need in times of crises,well there not in the Conservative or Labour party,that's for sure.
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Ben Wilson
What's the story mourning Tories?
11:43 AM on 03/13/2013
Cameron is logical end point to a foregone conclusion the Tories want to pretend can be changed. By all means let them oust him and pick a new more right wing leader, it just makes getting rid of them easier. Britain is over 'the right' except when it comes to immigration and the Falklands.
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11:53 AM on 03/16/2013
Britian is quite right wing. Just look at the news papers. The sun, the mail, the times, the express, the telegraph. Total circulation: 6 million

Then look at the left wing circulation the mirror, the independant and the guardian. Total circulation: 1.4 million

Then look at the opinion polls on benefits, austerity (extreme stupidity) and various others.
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Ben Wilson
What's the story mourning Tories?
11:17 PM on 03/16/2013
The Right wing press taps into to our favorite passtime: Seeking out the seemingly insane and moaning about it. I must confess I can enjoy a right wing rant that's not entirely disagreeable. And of course reason and logic ruin a good rant. I'm not sure it means we are very right wing though and compared to America, our right wing is far anchored to the left, and thus centered. Bible bashing is out, the NHS is in to stay, and despite what even Nigel Farage thinks he'd do in his wildest dreams so is Europe. I think most of us are a little of column A and a bit of Column B. The Falklands is interesting as there is cross party and ideology support, it's a cultural issue.
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novelist2000
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04:33 AM on 03/13/2013
This is a feature, if not a pillar of our culture. When something is unsatisfatory and rotten, you blame it on the person at the top and think removing him/her will do the trick. It is part of 'Hollywood Syndrome' as I call it. Remember what people said about George W and how they seemed to believe that Obama's election would result in 'change we can believe in'? No, the structures were stronger, but they still broke out in jubilation when he was re-elected and he is still called the most powerful man on earth. Some people seem to think that Chavez's departure will change back Latin America. Corruption issues in Germany (I was at the receiving end) were not addressed when Kohl retired.

It is an irrational but seemingly indestructive belief that shooting off the top will address the ills. Of course it does not, but it makes people feel better for a little while, and in these grey times even that may matter. But I am glad that this article exists because it draws people's attention to the fact that problems and issues need to be addressed, the person at the top is secondary. Thx for small mercies.
03:05 AM on 03/13/2013
Agree, he's the best chance they've got, which is a slim chance admittedly. May is efficient, but lacks the warm touch.
It has been interesting to see how rebellious and seemingly unmotivated by electoral success and power the Tory backbenchers are, compared with the more docile, sheep-like Labour ones were during 1997-2010.
Labour are looking like the natural party of government, as they seem able to hold together a coalition of groups with seemingly conflicting values and ideals. I don't think they will be able to manage the deficit better and that may split Labour, but if the economy picks up, they may do ok.
lastpost
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03:11 PM on 03/12/2013
“Get Rid Of Dave? How Exactly Would That Help the Tories?”
It prevents communities investing their funds in local businesses that employ and serve them. Gifting banking monopoly, and their support for supporters.

“Taken collective leave of its senses?”
Having had a canvassing candidate stunned into silence and scamper away, when posed a few simple questions. Methinks ‘tis too late.

“endless speculation about whether it'll be Theresa May or Boris Johnson who succeeds him is bizarre”
yet nevertheless explicable. Given that referendums (for majority mandates in decision making processes) are frowned upon.

“the long list of U-turns”
is a paradox. Since policy in a democracy is determined by the people…isn’t it?

“tough on crime”
But even tougher on the reporting of crime? Not to mention victims of crime being advised to ‘go away and forget it’.

“It cannot be said often enough”
It ain’t democracy. It’s a word for mass delusion.

“regime change is, in a sense, irrelevant”
Since a party system is a party system is a party system is, divide and misrule.

“consider the following six questions”
1. Should a primary requirement for politicians be a firm grasp of reality?
2. Do politicians believe in democracy?
3. What is democracy?
4. Why does their answer differ from GOTP, BTP, FTP?
5. Who would claim anything other than majority mandating of policies is democracy?
6. Are they sure that isn’t evidence for the absence of a firm grasp of reality?
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12:32 PM on 03/12/2013
It would be interesting to hear from May's team what she's like to work with, does she works with them or is a control freak.
There's one area where she gets a lot of informed input and selects well - her wardrobe.

She was the subject of a radio documentary a few months ago and it stated that her youthful ambition had been to be UK's first woman PM so wasn't a huge fan of Thatcher.
She was described as someone that worked alone, even ate alone except in late evenings when her husband joined her in one or other HoC dining room.

Would she give in to the sort of 'personal cult' building that Clegg did during early '10 when he was glammed up via features about his home and his trophy wife?
Ugh, could we bear hearing about Chez May?
07:46 AM on 03/12/2013
One wonder who thought this up. In the last election the Tories could not win a majority after 18 yrs out of power and with Labour in disarray. That in its self should have set alarm bells ringing, lurching to the right will not help. Don't forget than 95% of the present cut hit WORKING people, cancellation of human rights act would lead to the deportation of a small number of undesirables certainly but would aso curtail the right of 74 million honest hard working Britons. The Tories are not seeing the true picture of Briton like it or not like America Britian is becoming multi-cultural irrespective of what Teresa May would have you believe. I ask you one question. Why has George Osbourne flew to Europe to plead against capping bankers bonus's & lowered the top rate in tax whilst hitting the workers right where it hurts? This is not a party of unity.
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12:12 PM on 03/12/2013
Too many in 2010 believed Clegg's promise that in a future parliament, whatever its hue, LibDems would work with and across the house, issue by issue on each's rights or wrongs and would vote for bills they did believe in no matter whose they were.

One has to admire Cameron's ability to see that this altruism was a pretence (rather like a white wedding dress!)

Clegg was bought so easily, all it took was getting him tired over a long weekend after weeks of everyone's campaigning, keep him away from others' influence, yadder yadder yadder, flirt and wink ;-) , offers of UNearned ministerial roles and bob's yer uncle, Clegg was bedded after 3 days.
The pinnacle of that conquest was the sickening 'Come backkkkkkkk' joshing in the garden.

My stomach has been heaving for nearly three years.