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MPs Should Do the Right Thing on Gay Marriage

Posted: 05/02/2013 10:29

On Tuesday, MPs will make a momentous decision on gay marriage. The Catholic Church and Church of England, amongst other religious groups, have opposed the change. But their religious freedom will be protected.

No church or mosque or synagogue will be forced to conduct a gay marriage against their will. As three of the country's leading QCs said in a letter to The Times on Monday, it's "simply inconceivable" that the courts would overturn safeguards in the legislation. Nor will any teacher be forced to "promote" a gay marriage. And as Rabbi Julia Neuberger has argued, religious freedom cuts both ways. Why should the law prevent liberal Jews, Quakers or Unitarian churches from conducting gay marriages, as they wish to do?

For some, the objection is to homosexual conduct itself. Today, that is a minority view, and one thankfully in decline. But I believe that many who do not share this view nevertheless have a principled concern that gay marriage would mean re-defining the institution for everyone. Yet Parliament has repeatedly done this. If marriage hadn't been redefined in 1836, there wouldn't be any civil marriages. If it hadn't been redefined in 1949, under 16-year-olds would still be able to get married. If it hadn't been re-defined in 1969, we wouldn't have today's divorce laws. And all of these changes were opposed.

Much of the argument has been about the electoral impact on the Conservative Party. But all independently conducted polls show that a substantial majority of the public are in favour, and this number is rising fast. We must take care not to mistake vociferous pressure from a few for the quieter view of the many.

But I hope MPs will look beyond their postbags and inboxes and reflect on the real issue at stake. I think of the gay children still bullied at schools, or fearful about whether friends and families will accept them. I think of sportsmen and women, role models who still don't feel able to come out. I know the signal that Parliament will send about whether the law fully recognises the place of gay people in our society will really matter.

Above all, I think of two people, faithful and loving, who simply want their commitment to be recognised as it is for straight couples. We can't just keep telling them that civil partnerships will do. People choose marriage for a reason: they know that it means something special.

This is far bigger than a debate about party management. It would be terrible if MPs used this vote to register some kind of protest, or thought that it didn't count.

Millions will be watching us: not just gay people, but those who want to live in a society where people are treated equally and accepted for who they are. They will hear our words and remember our votes. I hope that MPs will search their consciences, and do the right thing.

 

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On Tuesday, MPs will make a momentous decision on gay marriage. The Catholic Church and Church of England, amongst other religious groups, have opposed the change. But their religious freedom will be ...
On Tuesday, MPs will make a momentous decision on gay marriage. The Catholic Church and Church of England, amongst other religious groups, have opposed the change. But their religious freedom will be ...
 
 
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asrobs
80 years experience
11:56 AM on 02/10/2013
HERBERT You are mistaken-- the views about gay`s it is not a minority view and is not in decline , like racism people are afraid to express their real feelings --so the silent majority are just quietly accepting that this country is going to the dogs, with there being no respect for a decent moral attitude,- with loud mouthed minorities getting their way by bullying and not having any respect for the democratic majority.
06:20 PM on 02/08/2013
The only difference between gay marriage and civil partnership is one is celebrated in a church the other outside like any other registry office wedding. Why it is right to sacrifice peoples private faiths and beliefs on the alter of political correctness is difficult to understand, but what is done is done and any who publicly disagree will doubtless be accused of bigotry and homophobia. Of course there is nothing new in political correctness, it has been with us through the centuries its last incarnation being called propaganda.
07:13 AM on 02/09/2013
Apart from one or two dismissively minor legal differences between a marriage and a civil partnership, the crux of this, for me at least, debate is the social aspect of same gender civil unions not being recognised as equal to opposite gender civil unions. Whilst a heterosexual union in a civil ceremony is recognised as a marriage a homosexual union in an also civil ceremony is not.

The LGBT society as I know it has never demanded nor asked for any religious body to participate in our unions just that in a civil and legal sense that they be considered the same regardless of religions that may have no bearings on us. Heckers most people I know actually support the option for different religions and/or churches to opt in to gay marriage as they see fit in regards to their own beliefs.

One day I hope that all people can swear under the god/gods they believe in to be faithful to and honour the person they love for the rest of their lives freely, but that must come from the governing bodies' of each church/temple/mosque/coven/whatever when they are ready, if at all.

Until then all we want is to be able to say "I am married" without someone else sneering and saying "Well not really, you're only civilly partnered."
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Catriona
Wha daur meddle wi me?
09:13 PM on 02/05/2013
It passed, 400 to 175.

Much happiness to you all.
08:20 PM on 02/05/2013
Goodbye Huffington Post. Fed up of being censored.
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Derek Northcote
03:11 PM on 02/06/2013
Toodles.
06:20 PM on 02/05/2013
It is repeatedly claimed that specified Churches "Religious Freedom" will be protected, but what about the members of those Churches? It will only be a matter of time until the teachers and counsellors, whose personal beliefs follow those of the Churches, are taken to court to coerce compliance of attitude. There will be no protection for those individuals' freedom of thought.
02:24 PM on 02/05/2013
Please be a tiny bit more specific than 'the right thing'
One person's 'right thing' is another's 'very wrong thing'
03:11 PM on 02/05/2013
Of course gay marriage is not for everyone, for some it is wrong. i would therefore suggest that if you oppose gay marriage, then do not marry a gay?
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Justinjuice
10:58 AM on 02/06/2013
Take a look at gay dating sites and you will see from the nummber of ' Attacheds', ' Married' entries in the ads that many women are unwittingly married to gays but do not know it.
02:09 PM on 02/05/2013
This article from a Tory who was whole heartily behide the destruction of everything for the poor and the weak of our Country, it all most makes me be bothered whether or not I give a rats!
12:13 PM on 02/05/2013
"Principled concern" is just another name for PREJUDICE. That's the language of bigots.
01:40 PM on 02/05/2013
...you said it!
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Justinjuice
11:00 AM on 02/06/2013
In other words, if they arent like me they must be 'wrong', ' bigoted' 'evil' ..right... but you arent bigoted, right ??
04:30 PM on 02/06/2013
Thanks. You've just answered your own question.
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Sven Storm
Edit your micro-biology.
11:30 AM on 02/05/2013
At least there's a division, which proves some in the party actually support equality. That's progress!
12:17 PM on 02/05/2013
Don't try to put down a govenment who are trying to do something good for society?
01:37 PM on 02/05/2013
>22
What 'good' ?
12:20 PM on 02/05/2013
I think far too much is being made of the 1/3 or so of Tory MPs who are opposed. In many US states, marriage equality was passed with single vote majorities. The position we are in here in the UK couldn't be more different. Let them oppose, but let them also know that in appeasing a vociferous minority of older party activists they are also turning away younger voters in droves. If the Tories persist in reinforcing their "nasty party" image among the young they will be driving a nail into their own coffin.
12:41 PM on 02/05/2013
jayjay13 I don't think so and you know my thoughts on Gay marriage that shouldn't be happening at all.
07:42 PM on 02/05/2013
jayjay13 Well they haven't have they and we have been sold down the river completely.
This isn't a day of celebration, it is a very sad one and our morals will continue to go now.

I didn't believe those MPs who tried their very best to tell us today that no church will be forced to marry Gay couples, now I wonder why I don't believe them, I wonder.