It's been four years since the sight of smokers huddling together outside pubs in order to enjoy a cigarette became the norm as a result of the illiberal ban on smoking in enclosed public spaces being introduced in England. Far from being satisfied with this infringement on peoples' freedom to smoke, anti-smoking campaigners are still making vociferous calls to extend the ban, with councillors from a small Buckinghamshire town proposing it becomes the first place in the country to impose a blanket ban on smoking on its streets.
It's remarkable how the rhetoric used by anti-smoking campaigners shifts. Unable to use the dangers of passive smoking - which was one of the primary reasons given for banning smoking in pubs - as a particularly convincing argument for restricting smoking outdoors, they instead hunt for other reasons to clamp down on people's ability to smoke.
A whole barrage of arguments have been tried and tested: people smoking in public are effectively advertising their habit to children, cigarette butts are covered in diseases, outdoor heaters outside pubs lead to climate change, smoking areas outside pubs lead to congestion on pavements and noise pollution. Campaigners even want to ban smoking outdoors simply on the grounds that it's smelly (What next? People with BO being unable to leave their houses?) In a move that shows just how puritanical campaigners are, some are even so offended by the sight of cigarettes they want to ban the smoking of e-Cigarettes, which produce relatively harmless, odourless steam.
Certainly councillors in the market town of Stony Stratford in Buckinghamshire are marshalling many of these arguments to call for a bylaw that would clamp down on smoking in public places. The Daily Mail quotes local councillor Paul Bartlett, as wanting to implement the ban because: 'Why should people have the freedom to smoke in my face, pass on diseases and spoil the environment? ... Smokers then get their butt, which is full of saliva, and chuck it on the floor. It costs millions to clear street rubbish, and goodness knows what a child could pick up from them.'
Following this dodgy logic, would Bartlett also favour bans on chewing gum and drinking from bottles, cans and cups which contain people's saliva in case they chucked them on the floor? Why single out smoking? Surely, if littering is such a problem, then the solution should be to tackle that rather than trying to ban the sources of rubbish.
Bartlett's contempt for the idea that people should have the 'freedom' to engage in a habit that he dislikes is also of great concern. Who does he think he is to deprive other people of their own freedom to choose? Certainly if people blow smoke in his face, he should feel perfectly free to challenge them about it. (As a non-smoker myself, I find that smokers are usually extremely polite if you ask them nicely to blow their smoke in a different direction.) But such irritants should be dealt with informally, not through legislating to ban smoking outside completely.
It's worrying that there has been little furore over the proposed ban in Stony Stratford, despite the fact the Independent seemed hard-pressed to find a single person who supported such a ban during a recent visit to the town. It suggests that, while public opinion isn't in favour of such a blanket ban - as it wasn't before the smoking ban in enclosed public spaces was implemented - policies pushed forward by those with authoritarian tendencies, such as Councillor Bartlett, may be met with a reluctant shrug rather than strong opposition.
Which is why it was heartening to attend an event at the House of Commons organised by the Save Our Pubs and Clubs campaign as it lobbied MPs at last week. Four years on from the smoking ban, you might expect campaigners to be dispirited, but from the fighting talk of Simon Clark, director of Forest (the Freedom Organisation for the Right to Enjoy Smoking Tobacco), alongside artist David Hockey and others, it's clear there is plenty of fight left in the pro-smoking lobby.
Even if, like me, you don't smoke, there are important reasons to oppose the smoking ban and attempts to further expand it. The smoking ban is just one example of an increasing trend by the state to interfere in our private choices and restrict the freedom of public spaces. We are perfectly able to make decisions for ourselves and negotiate relationships without the need for laws to do this for us. People should be free to smoke in public spaces, but the government's nasty habit of creeping petty authoritarianism needs to be stubbed out completely.
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Last time i went to Amsterdam (over 10 years ago) there were huge ashtrays everywhere, I was overwhelmed. There was almost no cigarette litter at all. That's the solution.
Objections based on passive smoking causing harm outside are absurd. There is not a shred of evidence to support this. even indoors most studies on passive smoking show a null hypothesis (no harm).
Not all smokerphobes are nasty people they are just ignorant and need help.
SHS harm is a STATISTICAL CONSTRUCT. The indications of harm are extremely tenuous. No one can identify any person anywhere and say YOU will suffer from SHS harm. It is not possible because the so called harm is only a very, very small percentage possibility. But the clever bug**rs apply that very small percentage to the population of 60 million and come up with a figure of somewhere between 3000 (Patricia Hewitt) and 7000 (ASH), or any other figure you like, and claim all these deaths to be SHS related. It is bunkum. I have seen the same regarding actual smoking related deaths - Lansley, on TV, said 80,000, a letter from the DoH said 100,000, a video on Utube by the Brit Heart Foundation said 114,000.
The claims for SHS are not dissimilar claims that one might drown if one goes out in the rain to often. Think of all the moisture in the air when it rains! You keep breathing that moisture in. One day, you will have breathed in so much moisture that you will drown!
Good grief! Fancy being terrified of a whiff of tobacco smoke!
For heavens sake! Fancy being terrified of a whiff of tobacco smoke!
The ban needs amending to cater for everyone. This country has recently spent a lot of time/money supposedly trying to bring other countries away from being run by dictators.
We should be having a closer look at what,s happening at home. For a start there should be a thorough investigation into the activities of Ash and their connections with the big Pharma companies and an immediate end to their campaign of hatred.
Enoughs enough. I am beginning to feel akin to a certain section of the community in pre-war Germany.
I say the town should give smokers an ultimatum. If in six months time the amount of cigarette butts collected in the trash swept off the street is reduced by 70%, then there should not be a ban. If the butts keep ending up in the street at their normal rate, there should be a ban.
How about smokers give the *council* the ultimatum. Give those taxes back or stop whining about what they have to clear up.
Listen, I'm not arguing that dropping litter, any litter, is fine. It's not. But arguing that smokers - specifically - should be banned from doing so in the street because of litter, then surely the same should apply to those who eat fast food or chew gum. Why target the problem when you can just collectively punish everyone whether they are responsible or not, eh?
There is a great example of how a council managed to massively reduce litter in Hammersmith & Fulham, google it. Guess what they did. Yes, the council used the taxes they take for reducing litter to re-educate people by selling portable ashtrays. It cost not a penny to the taxpayer but led to a big reduction in littering PLUS encouraged the litterers to be less anti-social.
Stony Stratford's Bartlett doesn't possess such imagination and is obviously just the usual kind of prejudicial anti-smoker using litter as a cloak. I'm guessing that you're on the same wavelength.
By the way, as a resident of the US, what's your stake in affairs in a small town in the middle of England, again?
The current bans work because smokers are basically law abiding and do not want to risk a cafe proprietor or pub landlord getting a £2500 fine or losing his licence to trade. In the street it is only us they can attack. They can't fine the trees. Refuse to pay and insist on an appearance in court. If we all do it the system clogs up and eventually grinds to a halt.
I hate the current laws but obey them. But as our restrictions get ever more nasty, my day in court gets ever closer. I despair of this so called free country.
Grumpybutterfly
It was the drink that got him.
Smoking has been estimated to cost the NHS £5.2 billion a year.
BUT...
In 2009-10 the Government earned £8.8 billion in revenue from tobacco tax (excluding VAT)
Given those astonishing figures, it would appear that the government is making a clear profit from the taxation collected on a highly addictive, lethal drug. The sort of profit illegal drug dealers (dealing in often far safer substances) could only dream of.
What the betting this guy has a really bad secret?
That's precisely what we are planning to do, Patrick. Why not come along on Saturday 16th July? We could always do with another speaker. ;)
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