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Smokers and Non-Smokers Alike Should Unite Against the Petty Authoritarianism of Stony Stratford Councillors

Posted: 07/07/11 21:26 BST

It's been four years since the sight of smokers huddling together outside pubs in order to enjoy a cigarette became the norm as a result of the illiberal ban on smoking in enclosed public spaces being introduced in England. Far from being satisfied with this infringement on peoples' freedom to smoke, anti-smoking campaigners are still making vociferous calls to extend the ban, with councillors from a small Buckinghamshire town proposing it becomes the first place in the country to impose a blanket ban on smoking on its streets.

It's remarkable how the rhetoric used by anti-smoking campaigners shifts. Unable to use the dangers of passive smoking - which was one of the primary reasons given for banning smoking in pubs - as a particularly convincing argument for restricting smoking outdoors, they instead hunt for other reasons to clamp down on people's ability to smoke.

A whole barrage of arguments have been tried and tested: people smoking in public are effectively advertising their habit to children, cigarette butts are covered in diseases, outdoor heaters outside pubs lead to climate change, smoking areas outside pubs lead to congestion on pavements and noise pollution. Campaigners even want to ban smoking outdoors simply on the grounds that it's smelly (What next? People with BO being unable to leave their houses?) In a move that shows just how puritanical campaigners are, some are even so offended by the sight of cigarettes they want to ban the smoking of e-Cigarettes, which produce relatively harmless, odourless steam.

Certainly councillors in the market town of Stony Stratford in Buckinghamshire are marshalling many of these arguments to call for a bylaw that would clamp down on smoking in public places. The Daily Mail quotes local councillor Paul Bartlett, as wanting to implement the ban because: 'Why should people have the freedom to smoke in my face, pass on diseases and spoil the environment? ... Smokers then get their butt, which is full of saliva, and chuck it on the floor. It costs millions to clear street rubbish, and goodness knows what a child could pick up from them.'

Following this dodgy logic, would Bartlett also favour bans on chewing gum and drinking from bottles, cans and cups which contain people's saliva in case they chucked them on the floor? Why single out smoking? Surely, if littering is such a problem, then the solution should be to tackle that rather than trying to ban the sources of rubbish.

Bartlett's contempt for the idea that people should have the 'freedom' to engage in a habit that he dislikes is also of great concern. Who does he think he is to deprive other people of their own freedom to choose? Certainly if people blow smoke in his face, he should feel perfectly free to challenge them about it. (As a non-smoker myself, I find that smokers are usually extremely polite if you ask them nicely to blow their smoke in a different direction.) But such irritants should be dealt with informally, not through legislating to ban smoking outside completely.

It's worrying that there has been little furore over the proposed ban in Stony Stratford, despite the fact the Independent seemed hard-pressed to find a single person who supported such a ban during a recent visit to the town. It suggests that, while public opinion isn't in favour of such a blanket ban - as it wasn't before the smoking ban in enclosed public spaces was implemented - policies pushed forward by those with authoritarian tendencies, such as Councillor Bartlett, may be met with a reluctant shrug rather than strong opposition.

Which is why it was heartening to attend an event at the House of Commons organised by the Save Our Pubs and Clubs campaign as it lobbied MPs at last week. Four years on from the smoking ban, you might expect campaigners to be dispirited, but from the fighting talk of Simon Clark, director of Forest (the Freedom Organisation for the Right to Enjoy Smoking Tobacco), alongside artist David Hockey and others, it's clear there is plenty of fight left in the pro-smoking lobby.

Even if, like me, you don't smoke, there are important reasons to oppose the smoking ban and attempts to further expand it. The smoking ban is just one example of an increasing trend by the state to interfere in our private choices and restrict the freedom of public spaces. We are perfectly able to make decisions for ourselves and negotiate relationships without the need for laws to do this for us. People should be free to smoke in public spaces, but the government's nasty habit of creeping petty authoritarianism needs to be stubbed out completely.

 

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11:51 PM on 07/12/2011
I was once outside a hospital, and saw a woman giving their typical stroppy rant about smokers. Saying they were filthy degenerates etc, They went on to say that there were cigarette butts all over the ground a wise old lady piped up, "well what do yo expect, they pulled up the ashtray", this lead to more vicious hysterical attacks about how all smokers should be killed etc. When she was done she started to walk off, and the old lady stuck her stick out, tripping the young woman. I burst into laughter. She turned to the young woman and said "you need to learn some manners missy" The young woman then started to make threats to the old woman, who if anything got even calmer. She then said "I'm 87 years old, i wasn't afraid of the Nazis, I'm not afraid of the homophobes and I'm NOT afraid of you". I think the young woman came to her senses and stormed off. I went over to shake that lady's hand.

Last time i went to Amsterdam (over 10 years ago) there were huge ashtrays everywhere, I was overwhelmed. There was almost no cigarette litter at all. That's the solution.

Objections based on passive smoking causing harm outside are absurd. There is not a shred of evidence to support this. even indoors most studies on passive smoking show a null hypothesis (no harm).

Not all smokerphobes are nasty people they are just ignorant and need help.
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11:08 PM on 07/08/2011
Spider Robinson (a Canadian writer) once pointed out that while it is true that 40% of all lung cancer victims were smokers, that in no way explained the other 60%.
12:50 PM on 07/08/2011
It seems a simular situation presented itself in 1925 in the state of UTAH. The smoking ban had become so radical with puritans wanting everyone smoking arrested,that the wound had finally festered when the sherrif had decided to arrest 3 individuals 2 being state legislators. Their crime,lighting up in a restaraunt after eating. So dramatic was this step to arrest them! The state legislature quickly repealed the smoking ban law and the Govenor quick to end the controversy signed the law of repeal,it was finally over and Utahs repeal marked the end of tobacco prohibition in America until NOW!
10:46 PM on 07/07/2011
Last comment from me.

SHS harm is a STATISTICAL CONSTRUCT. The indications of harm are extremely tenuous. No one can identify any person anywhere and say YOU will suffer from SHS harm. It is not possible because the so called harm is only a very, very small percentage possibility. But the clever bug**rs apply that very small percentage to the population of 60 million and come up with a figure of somewhere between 3000 (Patricia Hewitt) and 7000 (ASH), or any other figure you like, and claim all these deaths to be SHS related. It is bunkum. I have seen the same regarding actual smoking related deaths - Lansley, on TV, said 80,000, a letter from the DoH said 100,000, a video on Utube by the Brit Heart Foundation said 114,000.

The claims for SHS are not dissimilar claims that one might drown if one goes out in the rain to often. Think of all the moisture in the air when it rains! You keep breathing that moisture in. One day, you will have breathed in so much moisture that you will drown!

Good grief! Fancy being terrified of a whiff of tobacco smoke!
08:03 PM on 07/07/2011
I see that the 'stinkers' are here in strength. When will they learn that 'fragrance' is not a valid reason for banning anything! If the fragrance of a place is not to your liking you have A PERFECT RIGHT not to enter that place. I\f you suffer from asthma, you have a PERFECT RIGHT to avoid anything which triggers your asthma. And it not true that pubs generally were smokey dens before the ban. Most were nothing of the sort since the vast majority had VENTILATION SYSTEMS. And there is no truth in the statement that SHS will harm you in any normal circumstance. It is a fallacy, a mirage, tailor made to terrify the gullible.

For heavens sake! Fancy being terrified of a whiff of tobacco smoke!
07:43 PM on 07/07/2011
Well, it all comes back to the undemocratic and draconian smoking ban. I,m absolutely certain there would,nt be the amount of litter outside if the smokers were spending most of their time inside the pubs/cafe,s ect and using the ash trays that were provided.
The ban needs amending to cater for everyone. This country has recently spent a lot of time/money supposedly trying to bring other countries away from being run by dictators.
We should be having a closer look at what,s happening at home. For a start there should be a thorough investigation into the activities of Ash and their connections with the big Pharma companies and an immediate end to their campaign of hatred.
Enoughs enough. I am beginning to feel akin to a certain section of the community in pre-war Germany.
07:09 PM on 07/07/2011
If smokers want to smoke, let them...in thier own homes or garden. Why should people who don't want to smell it in the air or even on the person, which is just as nasty by the way, have to tolerate it?
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07:53 PM on 07/07/2011
I have been sickened by a lot of perfumes (now they contain lots of chemicals) and I wouldn't propose a perfume ban. It's a slippery slope.
08:19 PM on 07/07/2011
A slippery slope that it may be but have there been any medical findings yet showing that breathing in perfume aroma's, as like secondary smoke, cause health problem's?
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08:04 PM on 07/07/2011
And why should we also tolerate body odour and cheap perfumes/aftershaves?
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07:01 PM on 07/07/2011
I can not speak for smokers in the U.K. but in the U.S. I have seen ALL MANNER of smokers throw their used butts on the street. I've seen all races, both genders, homeless and luxury car driving smokers throw their butts on the street. When I see people throw regular litter on the street, most of the time the people I see are of a lower economic class. I rarely see people I perceive as upper middle class throwing their fast food packaging trash or candy bar wrapper on the street. But when it comes to smokers the story is different.

I say the town should give smokers an ultimatum. If in six months time the amount of cigarette butts collected in the trash swept off the street is reduced by 70%, then there should not be a ban. If the butts keep ending up in the street at their normal rate, there should be a ban.
09:49 PM on 07/07/2011
Great idea. But for the fact that councils take money via taxes to clear up the streets.

How about smokers give the *council* the ultimatum. Give those taxes back or stop whining about what they have to clear up.

Listen, I'm not arguing that dropping litter, any litter, is fine. It's not. But arguing that smokers - specifically - should be banned from doing so in the street because of litter, then surely the same should apply to those who eat fast food or chew gum. Why target the problem when you can just collectively punish everyone whether they are responsible or not, eh?

There is a great example of how a council managed to massively reduce litter in Hammersmith & Fulham, google it. Guess what they did. Yes, the council used the taxes they take for reducing litter to re-educate people by selling portable ashtrays. It cost not a penny to the taxpayer but led to a big reduction in littering PLUS encouraged the litterers to be less anti-social.

Stony Stratford's Bartlett doesn't possess such imagination and is obviously just the usual kind of prejudicial anti-smoker using litter as a cloak. I'm guessing that you're on the same wavelength.

By the way, as a resident of the US, what's your stake in affairs in a small town in the middle of England, again?
10:25 PM on 07/07/2011
And then, no doubt, people like yourself would be rushing around in the middle of the night spreading sackloads of cigarette ends all over the streets! Oh, and while you are at it, why not spread sackloads of leaves all over the place as well? Oh..and don't forget a few rain dances - rain is filthy; it deposits filth all over the streets and is very ulhealthy. Never go out without a mask.
06:46 PM on 07/07/2011
NO council has the power to introduce any smoking ban in open public areas. This can only be done by Parliament.
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07:18 PM on 07/07/2011
Excellent. But really, who would want to go to Stony Stratford, anyway? The people's dullness and petty mindedness must be beyond description. It would be akin to revisisting a Thatcher party conference from the 1970-80's. Middle england aspiring to mediocrity. End of rant.
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06:46 PM on 07/07/2011
AMEN! Freedom!
06:32 PM on 07/07/2011
There is a very simple way of fighting the proposed extension of the smoking ban in Stoney Stratford. Ignore it.
The current bans work because smokers are basically law abiding and do not want to risk a cafe proprietor or pub landlord getting a £2500 fine or losing his licence to trade. In the street it is only us they can attack. They can't fine the trees. Refuse to pay and insist on an appearance in court. If we all do it the system clogs up and eventually grinds to a halt.
I hate the current laws but obey them. But as our restrictions get ever more nasty, my day in court gets ever closer. I despair of this so called free country.

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06:22 PM on 07/07/2011
My grandfather smoked 90 a day and lived to the riple old age of 29.
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Why do the wealthy refuse to pay a living wage?
07:03 PM on 07/07/2011
I'm sure he died of a smoking related cause too (sarcasm) because we now know that every death by any smoker is in fact caused only by smoking (more sarcasm).
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07:53 PM on 07/07/2011
SAP,

It was the drink that got him.
06:08 PM on 07/07/2011
Interesting statistic printed in The Times on Saturday -

Smoking has been estimated to cost the NHS £5.2 billion a year.

BUT...

In 2009-10 the Government earned £8.8 billion in revenue from tobacco tax (excluding VAT)

Given those astonishing figures, it would appear that the government is making a clear profit from the taxation collected on a highly addictive, lethal drug. The sort of profit illegal drug dealers (dealing in often far safer substances) could only dream of.
05:51 PM on 07/07/2011
Stony Stratford will be history if this little Hitler gets his way. Pubs across England are already dying by the day - this Nazisim will kill more than that, think of the stores and shops that sell tobacco products, think of the loss of revenue to restaurants and bars where at least people (the inmates) were allowed to go outside for a smoke. What will happen to all these? This madman must be stopped now, before it is too late!
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06:24 PM on 07/07/2011
Peter,

What the betting this guy has a really bad secret?
02:42 PM on 07/15/2011
An simple Google search shows Paul Bartlett the 'little Hitler' councillor spearheading this to have a history of allegations of raising his hand to women and verbal harassment and bullying
02:44 PM on 07/15/2011
An Google search shows Pal Bartlett to have a history of allegations (May 2010) of raising his hand to women and verbal harassment and bullying
05:16 PM on 07/07/2011
"Smokers and Non-Smokers Alike Should Unite Against the Petty Authoritarianism of Stony Stratford Councillors"

That's precisely what we are planning to do, Patrick. Why not come along on Saturday 16th July? We could always do with another speaker. ;)

http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=167029446697765