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Circumcision Should Be Banned

Posted: 28/08/2012 12:04

Have you heard the one about the blind mohel who 'got the sack'? I believe that it is time that he was made redundant, as the removal of a child's foreskin at a young age, when he is unable to consent, should be banned. The permanency, intimacy and violation of personal integrity that such a procedure involves require a strong and rational justification, which simply does not exist.

The central argument made in favour of allowing circumcision its religious and cultural importance for both Jews and Muslims. When pushed for an answer on why it is important, the response is invariably "because we are told that we must do this by (insert Holy Book/Religious Leader)".

The Chief Rabbi of Lower Saxony, near to where a German Court effectively banned circumcision earlier this year, argued that "It's more than a ritual...it's a core part of the religion", but regardless of what he or Jeremy Newmark claims about its importance to the religion, it is indeed an ancient ritual.

Even if it is part of a Jewish view of finishing God's work by removing the unnecessary (and I note the lack of encouragement of child appendix removals), we no longer accept religious/cultural practices as self-evidently permissible in a liberal democracy and therefore further analysis is needed.

Medical opinion is anything but clear on the issue and although some say that circumcision can reduce the risk of HIV and that there are potential medical benefits, this is far from widely accepted. Indeed, others point out that the relationship between circumcision and HIV is unclear and the real risk of consequences strongly outweighs the unconvincing evidence that it is useful or necessary in terms of prevention or hygiene.

Objective sources are hard to find on this subject, but even the NHS website states that medically, the possible complications outweigh any potential benefits. This debate therefore must be premised on circumcision being a non-medical procedure.

One could certainly argue that because it is non-medical, the fact that any children die from infection or suffer gross and unbearable dysfunction or disfigurement after circumcision is enough in itself to say that it should be banned. The very fact that circumcision regularly takes place outside a hospital and is often carried out by religious figures who are not medically qualified presents real and obvious dangers.

There is also a human rights debate to be had about circumcision. Although there may be difficulties with limitation to overcome, one could certainly see the prospect of a teenage boy who has Gillick competence bringing a claim against the state on the basis that their right under Article 3 of the European Convention on Human Rights to not be subject to "inhuman or degrading treatment" has been infringed.

The state's failure to protect the child from the permanent alteration of the penis could certainly be argued to be degrading. To contend that an adult's qualified right to manifest their religion under Article 9 of the ECHR somehow outweighs this, appears to show an archaic disregard for the rights of a child.

Consistent with the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child and the concept of 'Parental Responsibility', parents should act in their child's best interests. The decision to circumcise is made with scant regard for this and is instead a pursuit of the parents' religious beliefs and/or cultural practices, which leaves children from the age of 8 days old (for Jewish boys) with a permanent reminder.

Dinah Rose QC recently made the contrary argument that circumcision is in a child's best interests, as part of a child's wellbeing is being part of a community. Whilst being typically formidably argued, this failed to acknowledge that if circumcision was banned, it would no longer be necessary to be a part of that community and that the same argument about cultural exclusion could be used for forced marriages.

It is also important to note that the tactic of portraying this argument to be anti-Semitic or Islamophobic and the use of Holocaust comparisons only weakens any argument in favour of circumcision and suggests that others don't stand up to scrutiny. Just as I know that most Jews and Muslims are not possessed by a desire to reduce their child's sexual pleasure and permanently disfigure them; it is intellectually lazy to label the anti-circumcision argument as motivated by hatred when it is largely a rationalist one.

The main cost of banning circumcision would be that religious groups are not allowed to carry out their religious/cultural ritual. Judaism and Islam would continue to survive and we would continue the modernisation of religious practices in civic society that includes, amongst others: the abolition of slavery; the ban on the death penalty; the ban on female genital mutilation (FGM); and the legalisation of homosexuality. Whilst I would acknowledge that FGM is not a perfect comparator, the permanent disfigurement, irreversibility, loss of sexual pleasure and lack of consent are all similar hallmarks. Vaccinations are widely accepted to be medically beneficial and are therefore carried out by the NHS as a medical procedure, making them entirely incomparable.

Put starkly, the benefits of banning circumcision of non-consenting children would be: (i) No potential complications; (ii) No permanent disfigurement of the penis and consequent reduction in sensitivity; (iii) No decision made about the child's religion eight days into his life; and (iv) Greater respect for the physical integrity of the child.

Finally, it is important to remember the position from which this debate should be taking place. Given that circumcision involves the non-medical removal of a child's foreskin without his consent and therefore a prima facie assault, as a society we must be convinced of the rational arguments in favour of it being permitted.

Many of you may have already made your minds up and would describe your views as irreversible. So was the removal of my foreskin.

 

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Have you heard the one about the blind mohel who 'got the sack'? I believe that it is time that he was made redundant, as the removal of a child's foreskin at a young age, when he is unable to consent...
Have you heard the one about the blind mohel who 'got the sack'? I believe that it is time that he was made redundant, as the removal of a child's foreskin at a young age, when he is unable to consent...
 
 
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mmmmikkimac
12:35 PM on 10/16/2012
The Government should stay out of it - it should be left up to the parents, their religious beliefs and their doctor, not some politicians who are living in the dark ages.
04:46 PM on 09/24/2012
Wow, Jew-hating is big these days.
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09:13 PM on 09/23/2012
ugh uncircumsized,thats just nasty. I cant imagine a woman wanting to deal with that extra loop of skin. maybe she if she loved you, she might suffer thru it but thats plain nasty.
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06:09 PM on 10/27/2012
There are some who believe the unmodified vagina has too much skin, so they cut bits off. We probably agree that while that may be an acceptable thing for an adult women to choose for herself, it's an exceedingly barbaric thing to do to a child. But so many like you seem to think it's perfectly acceptable when it's done to non-consenting underage males.
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reyn1
HB California Guy!
03:30 PM on 09/15/2012
Brits totally suck! They haven't got a clue and they support a family of inbreds!
10:44 PM on 09/13/2012
...":(i) No potential complications..."
Whilst there are many flaws in your earlier Arguments, please let me respond to your conclusion on a subjective level.
I have not heard of any complications in fifty years as a Jew , that is not to say there have been none, and of course not having a baptism means no fear of drowning.
I do believe that my good fortune in being Bris at eight days old therefore least likely to feel pain as acutely were i older and it being the earliest time that blood is able to clot successsfully has indeed reduced the sensitivity in the Glans area which i suggest has made a temporal elongation to lovemaking , possibly a positive for my partners , though I accept the Bedroom is not the only area to inform a relationship.
I believe that a child's religious direction is probably chosen for it, at the time it's parents are informed of their forthcoming responsibility.
I do not know how you reason your last clause and have never felt my physical integrity was compromised by my parents or others of my faith. rather a greater involvement and closeness engendered by the very act.
In answer to your concern with the lack of accreditation of Mohels and other religious practitioners, do you really believe that reasonable responsible parents would allow an untrained sawbones near their precious offspring , a Blacksmith is not a vet but he is able to shoe a horse.
03:01 PM on 09/13/2012
It is interesting that apparently the only western country who's medical profession thinks that circumcision is desirable is the one which makes a profit from it.

US birthrate = approx. 4m per year
Of which approx. 2m boys
Of which approx. 50% will be circumcised.
Equals approx 1m circumcisions P/A @ $400 each
= $400m per year for American paediatricians.

And to conflate performing what is essentially an irreversible cosmetic surgery on children with vaccination is so obviously dishonest as to barely need drawing attention to it.
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reyn1
HB California Guy!
03:23 PM on 09/15/2012
Actually it was 56% in 2011 from hospital discharge records. That doesn't include the circs done in the doctors office or Jewish circumcisions (usually done in the home). White boys generally have a circumcison rate of 80-90%........
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mmmmikkimac
12:37 PM on 10/16/2012
its not the govt's business - it should be left to the parents, their doctor and their religious beliefs
01:19 PM on 10/16/2012
So no-one should interfere in child abuse if it is religiously motivated? It's the child's business, when they're old enough to make an informed decision.
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Killermolls44
The night is dark and full of terrors.
02:30 AM on 09/01/2012
Unless its medically necessary, which in very rare cases that's true there's no need.Really there isn't. Why circumcise an infant for HIV? is your baby a promiscuous little creature?
The HIV argument doesn't even make sense to begin with. Wear condoms.
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reyn1
HB California Guy!
03:29 PM on 09/14/2012
It is cleaner, heathlier, better looking and it improves sex!
12:54 PM on 10/16/2012
Cleaner? Not for people who wash
Healthier? No evidence of this.
Better looking? Only if you prefer the look of mutilated genitalia
Improves sex? No it prevents the skin of the penis acting as it should, as a sheath through which the shaft of the penis can extend and retract.
01:20 PM on 08/31/2012
The most important sexual organ remains the brain, not the penis, foreskin, vagina or clitoris.
01:12 PM on 08/31/2012
Strange. Was a mine medical officer in South Africa at the beginning of my medical career. The mineworkers were all younger black males and they would try every trick in the book to persuade the medical officers that they 'needed' a circumcision. The demand was insatiable! And as an adult, it is not a particularly pleasant experience - or so I observed. Among this group, there was clearly an exchange of views about the sexual pleasure/ appeal to the opposite sex desirability of being circumcised. I am therefore not sure the loss of sensation argument is that persuasive.............
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jessjesskk
Benevolent Zombie Power
09:02 AM on 08/30/2012
No cicumcision should not be banned. But it should be limited to consenting adults. i.e. One takes a decision at 18. No one should take a decision for you.
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Wojo Walter John Deptuch
09:28 PM on 09/02/2012
I think thats what was meant, I believe they are talking about childhood circumcision. Once your an adult you can do whatever you want, even chop the thing off.
Mike Block
Mikeology (mycology)- the study of Fun Guy (fungi)
04:58 AM on 08/30/2012
Thanks Paul for the great article! My wife and I decided to seriously pi55 off our folks when we decided to not have our son circumcised. We are the "fallen away" generation of 2 jewish families (not very religious, but they still really wanted my boy cut). We only had to hear about ONE botched procedure and I immediately did EXTENSIVE research.

Logic: An appeal to tradition ("it's always been done this way") is a fallacy in argumentation. Just because it's been done for so long doesn't make it right.

Religion: How do I know my son wants to be jewish? I don't, but that's something he can decide for himself later. If he's truly interested, he will certainly prove his commitment to it if he decides to get trimmed. Also, if "god" created him in his image, then "god" must not be circumcised.

Regrets: I've discovered that there are sexual benefits to being uncircumcised as well. When I heard about that, I got pretty upset at my parents and the majority who uphold the procedure. How dare they all make that choice for me!

Danger: There have been increasing reports of mohels transmitting herpes to infants through mouth-genital contact. Sorry, there's just SO much wrong with that last sentence that explanation shouldn't be necessary.

My dad sent me articles linking AIDS with uncircumcised men in Uganda who were seeing prostitutes. I told my dad I'd keep my boy out of Ugandan brothels. That shouldn't be TOO difficult.

Excelsior!
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reyn1
HB California Guy!
04:44 AM on 08/30/2012
Barrister....you are from the UK! No American attorney would ever say that! You have no rights here!
10:46 PM on 09/13/2012
wow, Reyn1 that is a really damning argument !!!
08:16 PM on 08/29/2012
why do people think they can remove a body part from some else who is to young to understand, or consent?. I keep hearing the phrase "its a parents personnal choice" how is it a personnal choice when a parent is removing a healthy body part from some one else? the boy involved never had a "personnal choice" it was forced on him
07:23 PM on 08/29/2012
If my parents had had me circumcised for their religious views, I for one would be pursuing them in the courts for ABH/GBH, no matter how much I love them.
Mutalation is mutalation.. for medical reasons, i.e. foreskin being to tight I get it,
Inorder to comply with beliefs in ancient superstitions it is not acceptable.. unless the child once reaching the age of consent makes that decision for himself.

One other area where religion seems to have trampled over logic, reason and the law is with the slaughter of animals, Halal for instance is a barbaric and cruel way of slaughtering animals, yet is still allowed.

Crazy people!
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reyn1
HB California Guy!
03:46 PM on 09/14/2012
In the USA you would be laughed at! 80% of America is circumcised!
12:59 PM on 10/16/2012
And in the UK you would be laughed at. What is your point?
06:29 PM on 08/29/2012
I've said it before on another thread but it bears repeating: circumcision results in loss of sensitivity. Why you'd argue for that I don't know!
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Wojo Walter John Deptuch
10:59 PM on 09/02/2012
how would you know there's a loss in sensitivity?
11:14 PM on 09/02/2012
My ex was circumcised at 21 due to not being able to retract his foreskin fully, and he told me that the head was a lot less sensitive after the circumcision than when he had his foreskin.
02:13 PM on 09/09/2012
Because there have been studies done on the effects:

http://ije.oxfordjournals.org/content/40/5/1367.short

Quote: Circumcision was associated with frequent orgasm difficulties in Danish men and with a range of frequent sexual difficulties in women, notably orgasm difficulties, dyspareunia and a sense of incomplete sexual needs fulfilment.

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/releases/74475.php

Quote:"...circumcision ablates the most sensitive parts of the penis."

http://www.springerlink.com/content/v2g4467883422k1q/
10:47 PM on 09/13/2012
Read My above reply.