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We Will be Creating Ghettos of Failure

Posted: 23/07/11 01:00 BST

Grant Shapps is a nice chap! Personable, likeable and emollient - I've seen him walk on stage in front of a hostile conference crowd and spread calm like honey on morning toast. He's very much a man of the future in the Tory party and is being encouraged into the limelight as the "acceptable face of the Tories". Helped by the presence of the Liberal Democrats the "Nasty Party" moves into a new era in which Thatcherism is but a distant memory and it attempts to become the caring sharing party of the 21st Century.

So just why is this minister pursuing policies even more damaging that Margaret Thatcher ever dreamt of? Thatcher, the bête noir of social housing. Even she didn't suggest that anyone who has made a success of their life should be forced to move on from their Council estate like some unwelcome guest who has outstayed their welcome.

My family moved into a Council house when I was four years old. They moved out, into a house we had built , when I was eleven. We moved on and upwards, just as Grant Shapps is suggesting. But others stayed, and our street was a mixture of professions and situations. 50 years later it's a community embracing success and failure, wealth and poverty and a mixture of social housing and freeholds. It takes a long time to build a community. We were there at the start but it's much better now, after more than 50 years of development. There's a new community centre and a Multi-Use Games Area. The young mothers are now grandmothers and the estate has seen at least three generations pass through.

How desperately damaging it will be if we move on anyone who becomes wealthy, whether or not they want to go. We will be creating ghettos of failure. Social housing will equal lack of ambition and define those who are stuck in a second class environment. Instead of rewarding success we will be moving that success on to another nearby community.

That's not how it should be. Social housing, formerly Council housing, was meant to be for hard working families who didn't have capital to buy their own homes. It was for people who were successful in their lives but who hadn't been born expecting an inheritance to pay for a deposit on a house. There was a vision behind Council housing and many politicians worked to make that vision a reality. Mistakes were made, many mistakes. But there were also many successes and fine communities were created in many areas of Britain.

The Thatcher "Right to Buy" was immensely damaging to social housing but at least it didn't kick the upwardly mobile off the estates, but rather encouraged them to stay in the homes they now owned, improving both their houses and their communities.

What we now need is a new commitment to social housing. A commitment to build the hundreds of thousands of houses we need to look after the "in betweeners", the people who don't currently qualify for social housing but can't afford to purchase their own homes. The workers who hold the future of our country in their hands.

We do a fairly good job of housing the very needy but fail miserably the very people who this Coalition government profess to champion. The nurses, the teachers, the police and the rest of those hard working essential workers who can now only afford to live in certain limited areas of our country. We're storing up a catastrophe to be inherited by the next generation.

So, please minister, you've impressed many of us with your ability to listen, but are you really hearing our message on the future of social housing in Britain?

 

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10:38 PM on 07/29/2011
Whilst I agree with Peter's core tenet of the need for an increase in social housing (actually, in my opinion, housing in general), I find the concept that it should be used for engineering a community with a particular mix of aspiration levels (and associated behaviours) somewhat inequitable.

After all - I work hard, but don't want to buy into an overvalued housing market. Being relatively successful, and therefore not eligible for social housing, I find myself subject to the private letting market, and the whim of a 'buy-to-let' landlord. This means my security of tenure is limited to the one month assured shorthold tenancy notice period .

I fail to understand why I should (directly or indirectly) pay for others to have more 'housing security' than myself? Surely better ways to engender more socially diverse communities would be to:

- increase the interleaving of private and social housing in a given single street
- take steps to encourage the rebalancing of the North / South divide, increasing equality of opportunity
- improve the standard of state education to prevent 'ghettoisation' due to poor local schooling

Also, on a more philosophical level, I believe social housing should be a last resort in order to prevent homelessness, not a crutch that discourages endeavour. Also, in the face of the crippling deficit bestowed on us by the previous Labour government (unchallenged by a toothless Tory then opposition), surely it is even more important than ever to reserve financial aid to those truly
02:21 PM on 07/25/2011
Our society has changed and it's not like it was 50 years ago when Peter Thornton's family moved into a Council house.

Over the years social housing has become a farce and many have taken advantage of the mismanagement of the system. I agree there should be cheaper housing for people that can’t afford to buy a property, but I don't agree that it should be a "free for all".

I’m lucky enough to own my own flat, but I’ve worked hard to get it. On the other hand my upstairs neighbours are a young family with 3 children. The parents have never worked, even before the credit crunch hit and they are basically living of the state. They were letting their dog’s soil our front yard and I had to fight 2 years with the council before they did anything. They weren't aloud dogs in the first place, but the council turned a blind eye as usual and I had to live with the consequences. I live on a nice street, but unfortunately I can see the stereo types all around me.

Why not let people who received long term benefits "work" for this and help out in the community through volunteer work or even clean the streets? Given people money and housing for nothing is to temping for people not to take advantage off and if we continue any longer like this, we are going to be in serious trouble...if we aren't already
08:29 PM on 07/29/2011
So, you're basis for the acceptance of this change is that you don't like your neighbours. Well, being successful and such an upstanding citizen you would have been booted out if this plan came into action some time ago, if you didn't already own your flat.

But as you are socially mobile, here's a thought. Why not sell up and move, or even better, donate your flat back to the social housing pool.

No, didn't think so...
11:39 AM on 08/01/2011
I base my acceptance for a change in the system not just my neighbours, but on many other factors. The social housing system has been to easy for people that do not need the help or feel the need with all the "free" money out there that there is no need or even try to look for a job. I can understand if a single mother with children would require some help to get her on her feet or someone has been made redundant, which happens a lot in our current climate.

I have never been in social housing myself and the nice Victorian maisonette flat I purchased was from another private owner, so I didn't get it from the council as you were implying and I've never lived in a council flat. I've worked my way up and I did clean tables till 2am to start with, so I didn't need to ask for benefits. I just don't understand the attitude that you can ask something for nothing and expect other people to keep paying for this.

And by the way....I am selling up and moving on with my life.
11:40 AM on 07/24/2011
Dear Peter Thornton,

You would do better to lay these concerns at the door of your dear leader, Nick Clegg.

You are the 'Nasty Party's fig leaf. ONLY because of you do they get to butcher England's public services and sink generations of young adults into decades of tuition debt with a limited mandate.

At least the Tories are honest. So with respect,

Stick it.

Sincerely etc etc.
07:30 PM on 07/23/2011
Firstly, Peter, you are getting a bit carried away with the ''hard-working families''. I remember re-housing conquent of slum clearance. The ne'er do wells in neighbouring streets got houses same as we did. So, if you want to be taken seriously, cut out this fashionable nonsense about ''hard-working families''.

Secondly, your argument that ghettoes will be created is about twenty years to late because most council estates as was are now areas of mixed housing and around where I live you can only tell the council houses by the level of garden neglect. Maybe they are so hard-working, they have no time to do their gardens? No. They are post-industrial depressed, ill-educated marginalised self-harming lousy neighbours with low self-esteem.

What we need on my estate is a workfare scheme where everybody on benefit is required to keep their front garden in good order and their back garden under efficient and effective cultivation of vegetables. And for those who do not conform and comply, removal to flats without gardens and bringing in of new tenants who clearly understand their obligations.

If we are to break the cycle of deprivation, we have to get people off their backsides. Would you support a scheme to provide considerable assistance to develop gardening in deprived schemes?
12:31 PM on 07/24/2011
this is rather stereotyped:
I've just moved in an ex-council house, and it just happened the council was doing a Decent Home program on the estate, fitting double glazing and such to all the council properties, so it was easy to see who is council and who is private (about 3/4 of the houses are private).
My council-tenant next door neighbours have well tended gardens, the private one on the other side is literally a jungle (don't know if it's owner occupied or rented out), and one of the only house without double-glazing now.

just saying..
12:40 PM on 07/24/2011
Of course all should tend their gardens. The observations I make about where I live are based upon observation. We also had double glazing put into council houses earlier this year.

I am only describing what I see. Should I lie to avoid stereotyping?

You opinion on the question with which I closed my comment would be useful. After all, that is why we post comments, isn't it? To exchange opinions?
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05:09 PM on 07/24/2011
What's needed are 'real', productive jobs that generate wealth in the community. Gardening schemes will create jobs in companies that make garden implements (and possibly undermine a few people who earn a few pounds a week doing part-time gardening) but that's about it.

Moving ever further into a service sector economy is great for the 'clever' people who earn good money as accountants, business managers etc, but those who earned their money lifting and carrying things are excluded from this success. This is where jobs are needed
06:02 PM on 07/24/2011
You have misunderstood my comment. We need to engage in gardening projects for three reasons. Firstly, to improve local environments. Secondly to prepare long-term unemployed to doing a bit of work. Thirdly, to produce healthy food to improve diet. Such projects around the country would create some jobs useful, productive jobs. A t little cost.

You seem to be suggesting that we need more jobs for the unskilled and semi-skilled. Quite right. My proposal provides a pathway to that goal.

Do not underestimate how difficult it is for the long-term unemployed to become employable. They need stepping stones to that goal. This way we can provide them with part-time work, offer a better diet, and improve the living environment.

The production of food does create wealth. Food prices are rising. many people on benefits are - for the first time - experiencing real poverty. And almost all have unhealthy diets.
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11:01 AM on 07/23/2011
And the Right has the cheek to accuse the Left of always trying to social engineer. Humbug!

Social housing was there to provide affordable accommodation for those who hadn't the means to buy. Margaret Thatcher's right to buy policy was just more of her legalised theft really. Virtually nobody could have afforded or would have wanted to buy their homes, had not most of the Council Housing Stock been flogged off at knock-down prices. And to top it off they forbad Councils from re-investingthe money from such sales in replenishing the housing stock with new buildings. Like much else that took place in the 1980's, what we had was really a con-trick perpetrated on us. A con that we are paying the price for BIG-TIME today actually. From the Utilities sell-off to the squandering of North Sea Oil and Gas, we've been left in the mire. As always it was prompted by short-term greed. Tory philosophy in a nutshell.
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02:41 AM on 07/25/2011
F+F Well said sir.
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07:01 AM on 07/23/2011
Surely the original point of 'social' or 'council' housing was to provide accommodation for those who for whatever reason were unable to pay commercial level rents or to buy their own property. Where people become more affluent then it seems reasonable to expect them to pay a higher percentage of the real cost of their home, but I agree that demanding they leave the property is inequitable.
The part of the jigsaw which has been removed and should be replaced is where the income from council housing can be used to fund new developments.
At the moment there is a shortfall of around 20,000 new properties a year between supply and demand, unless local authorities are encouraged back into the property development market by allowing them to reinvest the income in new builds (or using the cheaper option of actually bringing the tens of thousands of unoccupied dwellings back into the market) we will never bridge the gap.
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10:25 PM on 07/26/2011
Dave, the main way that we'll get more properties on the market is to allocate more land for housing and let the builders and developers start building houses in the quantity we need. And it's more like 200,000 per year! The lack of social housing is another question and can be provided in a variety of ways - I feel another post coming on. But to return to your main point, social housing tenants do pay their way as far as running costs, maintenance etc but it's true that the build cost has traditionally been subsidised. But many users of other services don't pay the full costs. The tax payer picks up the bill and people who are earning more pay more tax than those at the bottom of the scale. Those tenants earning £100,000 per year are quite rightly paying significant amounts of tax.
Decent housing is a fundamental building block in any properly functioning society and we are going to have to find some way of replacing the council houses that were moved into the private sector by the right to buy.
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10:21 PM on 07/28/2011
another solution is to force landlords to release empty properties onto the housing market for either rent or purchase. I've seen figures suggesting hundreds of thousands of properties could be brought onto the market.
06:21 AM on 07/23/2011
Can you tell us why Tony the phony Blair and his labor stooges failed to build large numbers of council houses?
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10:44 PM on 07/23/2011
Mainly because T. Blair & Co. were really little more than closet Thatcherites with red ties.
12:01 AM on 07/23/2011
Firstly, why do the Liberal Democrats want to play the role of making the nasty party a nice one? - That is not their job. Their job is to criticise other parties by holding them to account in the HOC. They are a separate political entity to the Tories and should act like one! This only proves that their hunger for power has meant that the 'Liberal rulebook' has gone out of the window just so Clegg and his inner circle can get posh ministerial jobs.

Secondly, if he complains that the Tories are making cuts that Thatcher could only dream of then he has himself muddled. It is the Liberals that have enabled such action as they have formed the Coalition. If he wants to see a party that opposes such action, then maybe the gentleman should defect to Labour, as we will not be making any cuts of that nature.

Let me make myself clear, if he doesn't want to enable Thatcherite cuts then he is in the wrong party altogether!
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10:48 PM on 07/23/2011
Aye... one sniff of power and Nicky Boy's yer poodle....