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Pensions Debate: If Only We Knew Then...But Didn't we?

Posted: 22/12/11 16:05

I have been watching the debate on the future of public sector pensions with two hats on: the one of a self-made entrepreneur and the other as a member of the Greater Manchester Superannuation fund; a frozen relic of my time in Local Government. And with sincere misery I listen to the divisive language deployed from both sides of the argument. The unions have returned to class warfare and the government relentlessly repeats its mantra that the private sector pays.

My memories from working in the public sector remind me of working long hours, carrying additional unpaid responsibilities and only just surviving the blame culture of modern day social work. But I did so happily because, although the wages were poor, the conditions of employment and in particular the pension made the job worthwhile. Unfortunately, alongside many former colleagues, I could only stand the propensity of the British public to trot out "I pay your wages" for so long. Not only does it completely sap morale out of hardworking people; it completely misrepresents the situation and the government should be ashamed of itself to adopt such a divisive tone.

The fast is that I, a private sector worker, do not pay any public sector workers salary nor do I pay for their pensions. We all do.

We have created a society which provides a wide range of services; and we have agreed a set rate of pay and conditions which those services are worth. We pay for this through a universal taxation system to which we all subscribe irrespective of position and income. I do not recall as a public sector worker being subject to zero or low rate taxation simply because my income was paid for by the public sector.

So the issue of who pays serves no purpose other than to divide us and divert focus away from deciding, as a society, if changes need to be made to the pension scheme and if so, how it should be done.

I recall not long ago when the greater Manchester superannuation fund claimed to be able to meet its obligations to its members without any further contributions. So what has changed? According to the government it is the fact that the population is aging. Really? More than 30 years ago when I trained to become a social worker, the 'population bubble' was a key feature in social policy lectures. Retirement challenges of the future were well known back then.

For years, decades even, politicians have been 'kicking the can' down the street in a bid to avoid a confrontation with the issue during a time of plenty. The debate about how to meet the challenges was postponed until the day when it could be left no longer.

Today we can postpone it no longer. And the challenge is bigger than predicted 30 years ago. So let's deal with it but without eroding the principles which the Britain we have today was built on. Let's have a debate between the public, government, businesses and unions - but let it not be one that divides us and deflects focus from real task at hand: confronting the issues of our aging population and meeting that challenge. It is a challenge that should and can be met by everyone as a society. It is also a challenge which continues to grow bigger while on sector remains pitched against the other.

 

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15:13 on 03/01/2012
Thanks for your feedback and sorry it took a while to get back to you - Christmas!

I do get your argument. However, your comments on employer abuse of the retirement scheme does not apply here since employers are prohibited from touching or deferring payment into the scheme.

The challenge for superannuation schemes is that the demographic assumptions have changed from when they were established in the early 1970s. The rates of contribution will of course have to go up and people will need to work longer. However, the point I was trying to make is that we can go about it in a less divisive way.

I completely agree that the ideal solution would be to redraft the state retirement scheme so that it obviates any requirement for a occupational scheme. I suspect that you are right that it would require a premium of about 20% but remember that employers pay too via employers NI so the cost does not have to fall completely on the shoulders of the individual.
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Dombeyandson
13:26 on 02/01/2012
- a pension fund is like a bucket - it is filled from the top and the small hole in the bottom represents retirement pay-out and those leaving the scheme because they may move to another job or die in service. In the business of arranging company/employer’s Pension Schemes, it is known as the burning cost, which fixes the rate at which contributions are made. The bright idea of linking pensions to unit trusts lead to underperformance, despite the promises of riches in some obscure year in the future by overzealous commission salesmen or soothsayers who believed in ever rising markets and interest returns. Also they were linked to mortgage contracts and so on. The State fund, however, is highly political and linked to the nasty word - benefits - to demeanour it in favour of pushing people in to the private arrangement. The private occupational arrangement has no certainty because it can be abused as spoken of or no further contributions are made when times become hard. So gentlemen, of the yet another review panel, try looking at the thing objectively. If we are to have a proper retirement plan the law should reflect this by making it mandatory ensuring 20% of income be set aside for retirement policed through the Inland Revenue
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Dombeyandson
13:16 on 02/01/2012
Of course the conclusions come to so far by those august reviewers to date are simply to increase the retirement age by a couple of years or so in the hope that a few more shekels will improve the pay out – the State Pension needs a proper review of the amount of pay-out to reflect a liveable income and more importantly the National Insurance Contributions [premiums by another name] must be ring-fenced to meet the long-term obligations of the State which provides when needed because we’ve paid for it and we’re worth it. If you are short of cash to meet the obligations [as clearly you are] then collect more money from those earning millions and who are salting it away [in case they need it in later life]. There are not enough jobs for those below retirement age so how on earth do you expect to keep people working way and beyond aged 65 years and for it to make one iota of difference except to delay the payout, it won’t lead to a bigger pension?
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Dombeyandson
13:13 on 02/01/2012
The simple fact is that there are too many loopholes in the way pension funds are managed. The State Pension Scheme set up after the war was straight forward - you paid for your stamp and the employer paid their bit. The self-employed had to physically go and buy their stamp and of course money in the hand burns holes in the pockets so many avoided paying. The PAYE came in and deductions were made automatically from gross pay, great what a good idea, however the State pension fund has never been ring-fenced and it is up to the Chancellor to fund what he pays out in pension from the taxes he receives. Ever frugal in what he pays out any increments are a pittance - 50p or 70p is the best one can expect and not very often at that. Then along came occupational schemes set up by employers either as insured schemes with an insurance company provider or a self-administered fund set up and managed by the employer. Either these contributions are simply deferred salary as the Inland Revenue kindly encourage these retirement schemes by allowing contributions to be paid before income tax deduction - so you pay tax on retirement as income.The fault has always been that any employer’s occupational scheme has always been open to abuse and whenever the employer is short they are able to dip in to the pension fund.or worse liquidation siezes the fund.