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Back to the Future: Argentina Doesn't Believe the Falkland Islands Deserve Democracy

Posted: 04/05/2012 01:00

On 2 April, 1982, Argentina invaded The Falkland Islands, believing it had a historical right to re-claim the British protectorate, against the will of its pro-British citizens. They overthrew the Governor, veteran diplomat Rex Hunt, exiling him to Uruguay, and overran Port Stanley. Would Britain let this slide? Not on Margaret Thatcher's watch.

By 14 June, the Royal Navy and Parachute Regiment had defeated Argentine forces, which surrendered after the British Army marched into Port Stanley. 649 Argentines and 255 Britons died in the brief but bloody conflict.

Over the past few weeks, there has been a hubbub about Argentina's renewed bellicosity toward the Falklands, exacerbated by Barack Obama and his Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton repeatedly calling the islands "the Malvinas." To many observers, this appears to be an affront to British legitimacy, a gesture of support for Argentinian claims and a thumbing of the nose to the special relationship. Then came Obama's Biden-like gaffe on April 17, when he mistakenly called said "Maldives" instead of "Malvinas." Oops.

For a few days there was a lull in Falklands/Malvinas/Maldives news. But then, earlier this week, came the most troubling recent rhetoric , from none other than the new Argentine ambassador to London, Alicia Castro (no relation to Fidel, as far as I can tell, at least biologically). Interrupting British Foreign Secretary William Hague at a human rights event, Castro badgered him over whether Britain was ready to talk over the Falklands' future. The islanders have the right to self-determination, Hague asserted. Then came Castro's outrageous claim: "Self-determination is not a right that every country has or every population has. A province in my country cannot decide if they want to belong to China."

This is pretty rich coming from someone whose government has accused Britain of wrongly holding onto the Falklands like an outdated colonial possession. There's nothing like hypocrisy, eh? Never mind that the people of these islands are overwhelmingly pro-Britain. Apparently there aren't enough of them to have earned the privilege of self-determination, or, presumably, any other democratic right.

Castro's position is preposterous. It has long been the opinion of tyrants and despots that little countries shouldn't have a say in how they run their own affairs. And when these countries opted for independence, the stronger neighbour (be it Nazi Germany in World War II, or Soviet Russia in its aftermath) simply enforced their will militarily. This is not to say that Castro or the government she speaks for is the equivalent of a Stalin- or Hitler-led regime, but there are rhetorical parallels to the diatribes of these leaders. At the least, she is guilty of a diplomatic faux pas.

There are also echoes in Castro's bluster of the disturbing comment made by president of the European Commission, José Manuel Durrão Barroso, in October 2010: "Decisions taken by the most democratic institutions in the world are very often wrong." Indeed, the EU has acted like it is suspicious of democracy on many occasions, not least when it disregarded Ireland's initial "No" vote on the Lisbon Treaty, and then poured millions into backing the "Yes" campaign until the desired result was achieved. Supra-national organisations trump sovereignty in Brussels and its dominions, it seems.

To be fair to Argentina and Ms. Castro, colonialist era Britain is far from blameless when it comes to letting people decide whom they are governed by. But the matter of the Falklands was settled 30 years ago and it's clear that that residents of these islands wish to retain their ties with Britain for more than another 30. One can only hope that David Cameron will stand up for the freedom, liberty and the self-determination that Castro would deny them, if Argentine bluster turns into offensive action.

This is no time for hawkishness, but it is worth noting that all too often, the irresponsible words of those opposed to democracy do just that.

 
 
 

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On 2 April, 1982, Argentina invaded The Falkland Islands, believing it had a historical right to re-claim the British protectorate, against the will of its pro-British citizens. They overthrew the Gov...
On 2 April, 1982, Argentina invaded The Falkland Islands, believing it had a historical right to re-claim the British protectorate, against the will of its pro-British citizens. They overthrew the Gov...
 
 
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06:33 PM on 05/06/2012
Do not let this nonses raise your bloodpressure. With British troops on the islands and nuclear weapons off the coast of Argentina even their tinpot president will do nothing more than work herself into an orgasm telling her people how once more her troops will invade British territory.
06:07 PM on 05/06/2012
I think we should reclaim Normandy and Calais.
11:33 PM on 05/10/2012
They're FRENCH, are you sure about this.
04:49 PM on 05/06/2012
Argentina wishes to take over the Falklands against the wishes of its present inhabitants?
OK! Lets do a deal. Argentina should surrender Patagonia to the UK in exchange on the basis that it's original inhabitants were Welsh.
No can do?
Why?
The present inhabitants don't want to change their nationality.
What's it got to do with them?
They've just struck gold which is worth more than the oil under the Falklands.
You mean to say that greed is at the bottom of all this?
And there were we Argentineans thinking it was all about patriotism.
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Edgar H
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10:50 AM on 05/06/2012
Perhaps it should be remembered that what constitutes modern day Argentina was inhabited by the Aborigen peoples who settled the America's approximately 12,000 years ago. the Spanish did not arrive until 1516 when the first Spaniard to step on shore, Juan de Solis was killed by the Aborigen peoples. This act signalled their right to self determination and repugnance to the European oppressors arriving on their shore.
It to took several invasions by the Spanish Imperialists to establish a beach head. Such was the success of these freedom loving Aborigen people that the Buenos Aires area was denied to the Spanish occupiers until the late 16th century.So fierce was the desire of these freedom loving peoples to retain control of their beloved lands that in 1541 the Spanish were forced to abandon the site until 1580.
The Aborigen peoples continued to put up a spirited fight against the Spanish usurpers of their lands until decimated by biological warfare.
Please support the call to help these Aborigen people take control of their lands once again and help them shirk off the yoke of oppression from Spanish descendents. Long live the Aborigen people!
04:53 PM on 05/06/2012
Absolutely right. As usual it's all a question as to when you start the story.
cf the relations between England and Ireland or Israel and Palestine.
To whom did the garden of Eden belong?
02:33 PM on 06/11/2012
God.
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Ben Wilson
10:42 AM on 05/05/2012
Argentina will fail to get the Faulklands, they cant even get their own academics to back the government, nevermind the fact Argentine diplomats are urging the UK to ignore Chrissie, chalking it all up to her playing for political points. The underdog position is a good one for a leader to create. You don't want the only way to be down. It's like with the UK elections. You can bet your last cornish poasty Cameron is more than happy with the result. Losers gain sympathy, winners gain criticism.
01:23 AM on 05/06/2012
I do not like your comment colonialist seem that you are a pirate who thinks that a nation may be entitled to take a weaker Comtrol but everything goes up must come down so let me see your government some day .
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Ben Wilson
01:41 AM on 05/06/2012
It's more or less what argetine diplomats have said to British diplomats...More or less saying please ignore her.
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Edgar H
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12:24 PM on 05/06/2012
Buenos Aires was a haven for pirates under the Spanish, which could explain the current attitude to the taking land they never held. You are right to point out that; what goes up must come down, a bit like the Argentinian flag in Port Stanley, sadly the fascist ambitions of the Argentine have not.
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Dombeyandson
08:33 AM on 05/05/2012
The governor conceded the Bank of England should have "shouted from the rooftops" that banks had been allowed to borrow and lend too much.

It sums up entirely the futile attempt at democracy by Argentina when attitudes such as are expressed by their ambassador to London is so succinct. It is not aquestion of what the Falkland Islanders want but a case of what Argentina wants at any price. They have little or no respect for themselves in determining who or what governs their country and so wish for expansionism towards a scrap of islands in the South Atlantic some 300 miles from their mainland. Why stop at the Falklands why not lay claim to Australia New Zealand or any other islands that take their fancy. No Argentina want the Falklands because there is the possibility they may be sitting on untapped oil resorces to which they believe they have a rightful claim. Surely such a rightful claim to these reserves rests with the Falkland Islanders and the prize is the royalties that will boost their economy. Junta are all too common in Argentina and worse we now have Obama and Clinton acknowledging this false claim by calling the place the Malvinas. Geography was never their strong point.
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FearlessFreep
A radical leftist with a JS Woodsworth avatar.
06:05 AM on 05/05/2012
It's a shame that Britain and Argentina couldn't have both lost that war.
11:43 PM on 05/10/2012
Only Americans go for the draw
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mirola
Read between the lines
07:40 PM on 05/04/2012
The Argentinians ditched their dictator in the 80s, but are playing dictator over the Falklanders.
10:13 PM on 05/05/2012
the are tougher and menare they will crush britian this time
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Ben Wilson
01:44 AM on 05/06/2012
Don't count on it. And don't forget America owe us one.
06:25 PM on 05/04/2012
Why do Argies find it so hard to understand that they NEVER EVER had sovereignty of the islands? They have to right to ownership even based on distance, the Falklands are hundreds of miles from Argentina, anyone would think they were just off their coast, South Georgia is even further away.

This nonsense really has to end, Britain should make it clear any attempt at another invasion will result in a full nuclear strike on Argentina ending the problem once and for all.
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Ppenguinator
Life's too imprtant to be taken seriously.
11:45 PM on 05/04/2012
It's because they're taught a lieing, propaganda version of history from childhood.
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queenoferne
05:02 PM on 05/04/2012
What a proper little Wasp Mr White is. "It has long been the opinion of tyrants and despots that little countries shouldn't have a say in how they run their own affairs." So what does Mr White have to say about his hero Churchill's persistent denial of self government to the island of Ireland? Just a blip on the colonialist monitor? Or is self government the exclusive right of of Wasps?

I imagine the Falklanders are capable of self government if larger nations would let them get on with it. What a pity the British and Argintinian bluster obliges them to chose between bad and worse.
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jacksdad41
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05:36 PM on 05/04/2012
Perhaps @queenoferne it was because the South of Ireland was prepared to support Nazi Germany but in the end they got their wish. You "imagine" correctly (whenever a poster uses the word "imagine" it usually means ill informed with no basis for fact), the Falklands are a dependancy and as such enjoy the protection of the UK.
"What a pity the British and Argintinian bluster obliges them to chose between bad and worse"
There is no British bluster - it is FACT - the Falkland Islanders wish to remain British and not "Argintinian" (that same as injuns?) - there is no bad and no worse - Argentina was the aggressor in 82 with a clear act of war. Britain retook what is rightly theirs - get over it, move on. If they tried again they would get the same again - these colours dont run.
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queenoferne
04:52 PM on 05/05/2012
Untrue, jacksdad41. Ireland was neutral during WW2, 'friendly neutrality', towards Britain in spite of ancient territorial disagreements. Thus, Irish security forces allowed 'interned' British servicemen to slip across the border into N. Ireland. Deserters were also returned to UK security services and British airforce planes that crashed on Irish soil were carefully transported to the border with N. Ireland and left there for collection. Ireland also continued shipping food to the UK at great risk to its own shipping personnel and in spite of shortages and rationing at home. The many Irishmen who joined British forces were free to come and go between Britain and Ireland. British planes were permitted to cross Irish territory to reach the Atlantic, with occasional token fire aimed to miss so that Germany would not have grounds to accuse Ireland of breaching its neutrality. Nevertheless, this was not enough to prevent Germany making bombing raids against neutral Ireland.
If your notion that Ireland supported Nazi Germany is based on the fact that De Valera offered condolences to Germany on the death of its head of state in 1945, this was a proper expression of Ireland's neutrality at that time. We would equally have offered condolences to UK or USA or France of Spain, perhaps even communist Russia, if a head of state in any of these countries had died during this period.
So, as you can see from these facts, Ireland did not support Nazi Germany.
06:35 PM on 05/04/2012
The Falklanders wish to remain a British possession.
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SGillLondonUK
SCOTLAND IS NOT ENGLISH PROPERTY
04:23 PM on 05/08/2012
Well can you blame them, who in their right mind would surrender their british passport for Argentinean citizenship?
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03:11 PM on 05/04/2012
How about doing some research before you right your next article then you would discover under international law the inhabitants of the falkland islands are not pro-british citizens but British citizens. Britiain invaded the falklands in the first place and forcibly removed the spanish speaking settlers. Spain had bought the Falklands from its original owners France who removed their own original settlers. Because of this forced removal the punishment is no seperate people status can be granted to the British settlers the British then settled on them. They can not class as seperate Falkland Islanders just bog standard British citizens so as such care not entitled to a vote of self determination as no seperate falkland Island nationality is internationaly recognised. In other words their is no such thing as a Falkland Islander only British.
03:59 PM on 05/04/2012
I assume you're talking about 1833 in your diatribe.
The British removed the Argentine garrison in 1833, but actively encouraged all of the colonists to stay (they had, after all, asked for British permission before they set off for the islands) and all but four of them did stay.
If it was still seriously contested, then why did Argentina sign the Arana-Southern Treaty (aka the Convention of Settlement of Existing Differences) in 1849 and ratify it in 1850. It also managed to only mention the Falkland Islands once in diplomatic meetings in the following 91 years.

Incidentally by your own arguement, doesn't that mean that Argentina (being made up of largely European immigrants) shouldn't be allowed to be independent? After all the removal of most of the previous population of Patagonia was done in a far less civilized way than a request for troops to leave (with the offer of a lift for anyone else).
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deluk
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09:33 PM on 05/04/2012
Your arguments are ridiculous and ludicrous as usual, forget the French and the imperialist Spanish, Britain was the first country to lay claim to the islands and its settlers have been there for hundreds of years, longer than the usually semi fascist state of Argentina has existed.  It's 2012 now the status of the islands has been settled for hundreds of years, whining on about what the French or the Spanish did hundreds of years ago has no credibility now.
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10:43 AM on 05/05/2012
deluk
Nonsense the proof to my argument is the fact international law as punishment still refuses to acknoledge the status of Falkland Islanders they can only class as British identical to Mainland British no other rights. So no vote by the British on the Falklands on self determination would be valid under International law. I didn't make these laws take it up with the UN if you have a problem.
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Cory Gudwin
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02:42 PM on 05/04/2012
The Malvinas issue is a phony one created to drum up nationalism during oppressive military regimes.
It started in 1940 when Argentina was supporting Germany and its bombing of London.
03:33 PM on 05/04/2012
no its not- the UK took it in war and the spanish/Argentinian never accepted that.
10:51 PM on 05/10/2012
Oh yes they did in the Treaty of 1850 Britain and Argentina signed an agreement to settle their ‘existing differences’.and there was no mention of the Falklands, so there was no dispute then. So why did they decide to dispute sovereignty in 1940?
02:42 PM on 05/04/2012
The Brits took theIsland by force,put the people off, and put brits on.
Argentina will take the Island by force , put the Brits off, put Argies on .
Everyone will then support the Argie islanders right to stay there . Yes?
OK Argies Take the Islands, Wait 100 years. Then you are legitimate
Beware. USA will support their poodles to keep them useful.
If Germany landed on the Isle of Wight, replaced the people with germans. Would those people have the right to stay there?
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03:12 PM on 05/04/2012
Actually, spanish colonials settled one part of the island and the British another. The french, who were there first, sold their claim to the island to the Spanish and the Spanish attacked and destroyed the British part of the island, but the British returned because of a peace treaty. Than the British removed themselves from the island but not their claim, they were planning on coming back but money was tight in Britain.
Britain has a legitimate claim and there were no native inhabitants of the islands, as well as had an earlier settlement than Argentinians.
04:35 PM on 05/04/2012
Where should one start history. 1834 Brits put Argies off Island. So what. Brits should not be there . Might is not right. A martian looking at 300 miles to Malvinas and 7000 to Britain would see that in justice it should be Argintinas. Recent history. Argies took it. Brits took it back showing might is right. Argies will take it back . The USA will really decide and will support their poodles. Powerful countries should find a good map. Look for Britain or USA or whatever. Go there. Care for your own peoples Health, Education, etc. When will they get ashamed of murdering people in other lands.
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05:13 PM on 05/04/2012
"...1834 Brits put Argies off Island..."

Hmmm ... no.

The only people asked to leave were members of an illegal Argentinian military unit that was hoping to set up a penal colony.

No civilians were expelled. In fact, the British authorities actively encouraged them to stay -- and which they did (except for 4 people who asked to leave).
05:34 AM on 05/04/2012
Argentina never stopped to claim sovereign over Malvinas since british kicked out the few argentineans inhabitants in 1833. Malvinas citizens are pro british because they ARE british settlers. Go ask Israel settlers if they wanna be part of a Palestinian state... obvious answer...

Passage of time will never can be an valid argument to justify the sovereignty over a region illegally invaded.

Also, Argentina had 4 military governments, all them represents about 50 years, yes, 50 of the last 100 years without democracy, we suffer without it, so we never deserve to any other country/region don't have it, it's not logic.

All we say is Malvinas citzens and they self-determination can't be part of discussion because they aren't "orginal habitants", they are settlers. UK never want to discuss his illegal invasion.

Sorry my imperfect english, I hope you understand.

Regards.
09:53 AM on 05/04/2012
If we followed the 'original inhabitants' argument, then what are all the Europeans and their descendants doing in the Americas? Shouldn't you hand it back to the natives?
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03:17 PM on 05/04/2012
jbritchford
Try doing some research and you would find the original inhabitants of the Falklands were French settlers, France removed them when Spain legaly bought the Falklands off France as part of the sale agrement. Why couldn't Britauin have just bought the Falklands off Spain instead of invading and removing its colonists? Then Argentina would not have had a leg to stand on?
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01:44 PM on 05/04/2012
"...Argentina never stopped to claim sovereign over Malvinas since british kicked out the few argentineans inhabitants in 1833...."

Britain never 'kicked out the few argentineans inhabitants in 1833'. The only people asked to leave was those of an illegal military expedition that had tried to set up a penal colony. The other (Louis Vernet's) settlers were asked to remain by the British -- and did so (other than 4 individuals who asked to leave).

"...Argentina never stopped to claim sovereign over Malvinas...".

Actually, Argentina was silent on the matter following the ratification of the Convention of Settlement:

"CONVENTION between Great Britain and the Argentine Confederation, for the Settlement of existing Differences and the re-establishment of Friendship".—Signed at Buenos Ayres, November 24, 1849 (Ratified May 15, 1850).

It only resurfaced in the 1940s.
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03:22 PM on 05/04/2012
lenuk
What a pile iof lies Spain bought the Falklands from the French who removed their original settlers as part of the deal their is a treaty to prove it nobody disputes this. The British just invaded and forcibly evicted the legal spanish colonists as punishment international law wilrefuses to recognise seperate Falkland Islander status just British. So no seperate right to self determination, why couldn't Britain have bought the Falklands off Spain like Spain bought the Falklands off France then you wouldn't have got yourself in this mess?
04:46 AM on 05/04/2012
Freedom to East LA. Once independent, we should replace all the McDonalds with Taco Bells.
04:22 PM on 05/04/2012
We had a Wendys in London once, by Kings Cross. You had a 50/50 chance of getting out of Kings Cross alive at night but those Wendys burgers were the best.

Forget Taco Bell its too facist for a newly freed East LA, my vote goes to Wendys.
06:37 PM on 05/04/2012
Just give it a few years. All restaurants will be Taco Bells.


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