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Give Us the Vote, and Now

Posted: 13/11/2012 00:00

We are constantly hearing news about how politicians are trying to get young people politically active, but the answer is simple - Give us the vote. With Alex Salmond's decision to allow sixteen year olds the vote on the referendum regarding Scottish independence, his attempt to restore political participation for young people deserves credit. Unfortunately, like many attempts to encourage teenagers to involve themselves in political affairs, his plan is flawed.

Teenagers of sixteen and over will be allowed to vote on whether Scotland should be devolved, however they won't even be allowed to vote at the next general election. It hardly seems fair that young Scots will be able to have a say on only one issue, and subsequently be ignored as before, like the rest of the young people across England, Wales and Northern Ireland.

At the age of sixteen, I can now legally join the army, get a full-time job, leave home without my parents' consent and get married, yet people my age still find themselves denied the right to vote, one of the most important rights you can have in a democratic country. How can it be that anyone of my age can get a job and pay taxes towards a government whom they are not even able to vote for?

Not only is the vote a right for teenagers our age, but it is also a necessity if our generation is to become more involved with political activity and community awareness. Local issues and decision-making would play a far larger role for many teenagers once they had the right to vote, for the simple reason that the right to vote encourages people to become more involved in politics, as they want to be aware of who they are being represented by. Not only would political stability improve on a local level, but arguably even more so at national level, for the reason that the decision to give us the vote would see a sharp increase in voter turnout at the next general election. Undoubtedly many issues over the last few years would be strongly reflected in the young people's vote, such as the summer riots last year and the government spending cuts. The vote would give young people a far greater influence over political decisions taken by government ministers, such as the decision to scrap the educational maintenance allowance for poorer young people, which undeniably would have not been passed through parliament so willingly if there were thousands of young people ( with the power to vote) opposing such reforms.

The hardest point to get my head around, however, is the fact that by sixteen years of age the majority of us are using public services on a regular bases, and as much (if not more) than the adults who vote in the government controlling these public services. The idea that we aren't able to elect in the people who play such an essential role in our everyday life doesn't exactly appear democratic. If the government wants to get us involved in politics, at least start off by letting us have the right to vote in a politician who we think will benefit our lives, even if that be on a small local issue.

Although I accept the argument presented by many people that some teenagers aren't informed enough to make a proper decision on who to vote for, next time you visit a school just ask sixteen year olds what sort of policies they would vote for, and you will find the majority of those policies are the same ones being discussed in Westminster. The point I am trying to make is that young people my age share many beliefs of those eligible to vote, and our intentions for achieving a fair and healthy society are the same as those of adults.

 

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We are constantly hearing news about how politicians are trying to get young people politically active, but the answer is simple - Give us the vote. With Alex Salmond's decision to allow sixteen year ...
We are constantly hearing news about how politicians are trying to get young people politically active, but the answer is simple - Give us the vote. With Alex Salmond's decision to allow sixteen year ...
 
 
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02:39 PM on 11/13/2012
“the answer is simple - Give us the vote.”
Jungle Jane was last seen asking another contestant if he voted. He replied negative, identifying duplicity as the reason. In the absence of an MP to evade answering, let me ask you:
Do you believe in democracy?
If yes, what is democracy?
As democracy is government by the will of the majority of the people. Why was a referendum on the EU not allowed?

“denied the right to vote”
Ticking policy boxes might have some effect. Picking personalities, is likely to end in Clegg.

“politics”
is people governing themselves. Party politics, means individuals preventing that.

“by sixteen years of age”
Giving a driver a licence, does not endow driving experience. The best that can be hoped is that they don’t kill others, or themselves, before they acquire more skill. Or a realisation that like life, it’s a never-ending learning process.

“an essential role”
Take existence and give it a good shake, Seb. Question everything. What’s right will only be strengthened by query. What’s false will crumble. If coming generations fail to do that, the entire species can expect a fail.

“visit a school”
and enquire if that process is designed to produce drones, or thinkers. If the first, that factory might as well close. If the second, it won’t be long before the best students redesign it to better fulfil that requirement.
12:17 PM on 11/13/2012
Sorry but I see Alex Salmond's desire to allow sixteen year olds the right to vote as a synical way of exploiting the "angry young vote" because he is hoping that more of them will vote for independence without bothering to read through the pros and cons.
As for extending this to all sixteen year olds, there is an argument for changing this, but in my opinion it should only be done with a consolidation of the various ages of maturity (which can be sixteen, seventeen, eighteen or twenty-one depending upon the situation).

However I'm not convinced that sixteen is sufficient without some further changes including political education as part of a larger Social Education course leading up to this. As this might interfere with existing education I would like to see two different social milestones:
16 - Age of responsibility/consent. Standard education ends. Able to leave home, join military, vote in local elections, have legal limited responsibility.
18 - Age of Maturity. Further education ends. Able to serve on front-lines, vote in general elections, have full legal responsibility.
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06:07 AM on 11/14/2012
Do you by chance have any teens or ever had them as children? I have a about four of them.. Some real smart and level headed and some as stupid as a rock. Letting a youngster go off from the nest at 16 is risky business. Perhaps life in the UK is more structured. I don't know. I live in the U.S Most inner cities in any state won't let a teen work before their 18th year of life which is when their general education ends.
07:38 AM on 11/14/2012
You have "about" four of them? Interesting. I have "about" one (so far) and wouldn't trust him to leave home at sixteen, but currently under UK law they can leave home at sixteen, which is why I used that in my previous comment.
03:20 PM on 11/16/2012
Utter nonsense since Salmond supports full franchise for 16 and 17 year olds. And by the way, until this all started the Lib Dems supported extending the franchise too. Of course, we all know they'd sell any principle for power.
05:58 PM on 11/16/2012
Sorry I disagree. He clearly can't say that the lowered age is just for a referendum, but equally his motives behind trying to ensure that the change is in place for the referendum are precisely for the reason I stated before.
As for the Lib Dems, they have made some unfortunate choices in the past few years but they are still (in general) the best of a bad bunch. It could be argued (with lots of supporting evidence) that the worst choice they made was trusting the conservatives.
09:36 AM on 11/13/2012
Most 16 year olds are immature, silly, and not fit to vote.

Obviously that doesn't apply to all 16 year olds, but the line has to be drawn somewhere. And it's drawn to exlude you.

I know you are obviously one of the 16 year olds who IS switched on enough to vote, but there you go.

Sorry.
10:45 AM on 11/13/2012
what study are you quoting there? there must be something to say "Most 16 year olds are immature, silly, and not fit to vote".... I am not saying it is definately wrong , but lets be honest... your just guessing and therefore you argument is irrelevant.
01:52 PM on 11/13/2012
If I was citing a study, I would have cited a study. Please do not fall into the fallacy of trying to put words in my mouth.

Also, you must learn to distinguish between a point of view, and an argument. It ismy point of view that 16 year olds in general are too silly to vote, and it is my point of view that some (the minority) are obviously NOT too silly to vote. I have already made this clear, of course. But I have not put forward any argument to justify that point of view.

OK, let's argue it through. There must be a cut off age for voting. Can we take that as a given? Else we are left with the problem of trying to decide the intentions of toddlers in the voting booths.

So on what basis do we decide when someone is savvy enough to vote? Clearly whatever criteria we use must be fair, and equitable, otherwise we are in danger of appling discriminatory criteria for the franchise. Can we agree that all peopleshould gain the franchise at the same age?
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05:59 AM on 11/14/2012
They are kids. Immature is not choice as much as biology. Impulsiveness and rash and quick to act and slow to think. Boys especially. I would not be giving a 16 year old the keys to the car much less his or hers apartment, nor would I grant the army his life. 19 or thereabout would be fine. Give the lad a time to get out of that teen anxt before sattling them down with the weight of the world on tender shoulders.
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05:39 AM on 11/14/2012
If one is old enough to lay his life on the line for that nation then he is old enough to have a voice in it. Otherwise should one think they are too young to make such calls raise the age of sufferage to 18 when they can vote get job, and die for it.
02:42 AM on 11/13/2012
Let me point out that in Scotland, it is the Scottish Governments intent to give 16 and 17 year olds the vote on any election in which they control the franchise. Unfortunately, as long as Scotland is part of the UK, they do not control the franchise for the general election.
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09:57 AM on 11/13/2012
Not at this moment, but soon, soon.......
01:23 PM on 11/16/2012
They're only interested in extending the franchise for self interest. Fool.
03:24 PM on 11/16/2012
Now there is a strong argument. Name calling. Leave it to Unionists.
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10:09 PM on 11/12/2012
You can have mine. I live in a safe seat. I do not vote for the party of the sitting M.P.