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Do Farm Animals and Humans Have Anything in Common? A Case for the Vegan Option Continued

Posted: 14/01/2013 00:00

Farmers who rear animals on an industrial scale often justify their welfare standards by claiming that animals are not like us.

In so saying they seem to imply that animals do not mind being kept in conditions totally alien to their needs and closely confined in vast sheds. Sows in gestation stalls. Piglets reared on slatted floors. Ducks without water except to drink. Poultry on stinking bedding rank with ammonia fumes. Cows and calves separated at birth. Is it a stretch too far to suppose that these animals - motherless, sick, filthy; trapped, afraid and defenceless - do not suffer fear, anxiety and distress as they live out their utterly wretched lives, their spirits broken, in conditions that are akin to torture?

Some people equate intelligence with sentience. Yet we do not believe that our own babies are incapable of feeling pain or fear or all the other reactions associated with sentient beings.

If we look at the similarities between us and the animals we farm, it seems there are a raft of ways in which we are not so very different at all. We share the same instincts and behave in similar ways although we give them other names. We make nests - but call it home. We suckle our young - but term it breast feeding. Our bonds with our offspring are no more - or less - strong. We too defend our territory. We too like to have friends and be in groups of people we trust. And, like sheep in a flock, we follow where others go - as sports fans or followers of fashion or members of clubs. Neither is our instinct to escape from danger or to protect our young different from any other mammal. When our backs are against the wall, our fear and anxiety, our terrified, panic-stricken reaction, are just the same. How must animals feel when they are rounded up for slaughter and rushed up ramps onto lorries?

Also, like us, animals have their own characters and personalities. Some might be boisterous or irritating. Some crave affection. Others are playful. Some like cuddling up with others. Others like their own space. Some are aggressive, others cowardly. All have their own personal likes and dislikes. Pet owners know this. Yet we seem not to recognise that animals reared for food have any individuality at all.

If common sense does not tell us that animals suffer in factory farm conditions then the science might. There are a plethora of studies that make clear that all animals share instinctive emotional behaviour like joy and happiness; depression and suffering; affection and irritation; rage and terror. The Cambridge Declaration on Consciousness, signed by an international group of prominent scientists, is one of the most recent.

But where farming is on an industrial scale animals have no choice. Every aspect of their lives is controlled. They do not choose their surroundings. Or the animals they mix with. Or what they eat. Or when they eat. Or when or whether (given hormones and artificial insemination) they mate.

Factory farm conditions are, by design, violent, cruel and unfeeling. Do we have a moral obligation to the animals we use for food?

 

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09:26 PM on 01/14/2013
I assume from this post that Sue Cross is a vegan, so I'll take it with a pinch of salt.

She keeps referring to factory farming, but the truth is that as a vegan she will be against all animal farming. Also if she has become a vegan, then the chances are she has made what she feels is a moral choice, which means that she will then take a "moral" view on everything to do with animal consumption, including us carnivores and omnivores.

So everything that vegan activists claim, will be tainted by their blinkered view of the world.
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Author: 'On the Menu: Animal Welfare' and 'Today'
08:57 AM on 01/16/2013
A lot of assumptions here! You don't have to be a vegan to support the vegan cause. Neither does it follow that to find factory farming profoundly cruel is to conclude that all animal farming is morally wrong.

As to being blinkered, I endeavour to give a balanced view based on many years of research into farm animal welfare. It seems sad that the reaction to my conclusion (that maximising profit to produce cheap food can never be reconciled with the humane treatment of animals) seems to engender irritation rather than compassion.
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01:44 PM on 01/16/2013
I notice you still haven't declared your personal eating beliefs/habits in this reply. My assumptions are based on personal and anecdotal experience. Balance is not something I associate with the vegan view of the world.

You usually know when you meet a vegan, as at some point they will normally tell you about their eating habits, and once that's out of the way the moralising will start. A woman I know has a brother who is a vegan activist and used to be, at least, a sab', she couldn't invite him to dinner or parties, as he actually hated people who ate meat, and would always kick off.

Most people who become vegans do so for what they believe to be moral reasons, and by doing, will then have a "moral" view on meat eaters. However vegan organisations dishonestly miss out what they really believe and pick on subjects like factory farming, even worse trying to claim some sort of exclusivity over them.
07:23 PM on 01/14/2013
Everyone is entitled to their opinion and you will find many posted here but I wish people would study the subject properly and that does not mean reading the rantings of others and does mean putting your brain in gear before commenting , one example is someone complaining about animals being "left out in all weathers " which of course is there natural environment ,some breeds I have worked with can not stand being inside
06:20 PM on 01/14/2013
Why do we treat animals so badly? Because we want cheap food of course! Try telling your average council estate Mum that she has to pay £8 for a chicken or £5 for a pack of sausages because the animals might get treated better! And then there is the matter of if we could even produce enough "high welfare" food if factory farming was somehow banned...
03:16 AM on 01/15/2013
yeah, maybe we should stop factory farming people for a while until there is enough to go around without harming the animals or costing too much
04:52 PM on 01/14/2013
I really love articles like these, but I do wonder if the vegitarian/vegan comunity really are what they claim to be? I have seen many famous ones preaching the gospel, but they still have Botox injections, collogen implants wash using soap, wear make up etc.etc. Farmed animal by products find their way into very many products used in our daily lives, many of which we do not know about. Perhaps God in his ultimate wisdom should not have created them in the first place if we were not to eat them. If you believe that is! Further if our ancestors had not eaten meat and the protein it provided, the earth would be very sparsely populated today. Just in closing the countryside would be a totally different place without farmed animals. If we all stoped eating meat who would pay to look after them? The animals would have to be killed and burned on pyres, no profit no animals. A famous vegan once tried to save calves from being killed so the cows could provide our milk and realised just how costly that was, she silently sank into the background of this argument. Think things through and do your homework please before you write these articles.
02:59 AM on 01/16/2013
You have claimed "...do your homework please before you write these articles". I would suggest the same advice and ask you to foot note every gross generalisation you have made in your 'opinion'?

Also, if we didn't keep manufacturing farmed animals on the mammoth scale we are, no one would need to 'look after them' - still trying to come to grip with that illogically comment.
09:20 AM on 01/16/2013
Perhaps this reply should have been tagged to the article in question then? As it tries to paint all farms/farmers with the same brush, absolutly not true! Not generalisations by the way, common sense.
Farmed animals are not pets, they are reared for profit, all be it a small one, hence some large factory farms owned by the rich, usualy for tax advantages.It is the supermarkets that dictate the terms and take the most profit, and of course the general public demand cheap food.
The majority of farms in the UK are still small scale family farms, run by farmers who do it passionatly and care for their livestock 365 days a year 16/18 hours a day, better than some families care for thier children.
With regard to my, as you say "illogical" comment. If everyone stopped eating meat there would be no need for any farmed animals, (I did not say "manufacturing on a mamoth scale") by the way those are your words. so would you be prepared to foot the bill for looking after them all, I think not. I wholeheartedly agree that ALL life on this fortunate planet of ours should be treated with respect and when farming animals for food, or otherwise, good husbandry should come before profits, but like it or not profit however small, has to be made otherwise bankrupcy ensues, and animals needlessly put to death, .In my opinion.
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11:20 AM on 01/16/2013
The main criticism here is that vegans are not perfect. The vegan route is a hard path to take and animal by- products are hard to avoid. But as far as intensively farmed animals are concerned (treated as inanimate agricultural products rather than sentient beings) better to be a flawed or part-time vegan than not vegan at all.

That we would not have enough protein without meat is debatable.

A third point, that if farm animals did not exist the countryside would certainly be a different place, is surely true. Nowadays most farms are in effect giant processing plants, the animals crammed in them sick and disabled, their needs utterly disregarded. To feed them the environmental effects on the land and sea are on a vastly damaging scale - particularly in the case of soya, palm oil and fish (about one quarter of the global fish catch is used for fishmeal to feed farm animals). Add to this the waste that has to be dealt with: the dung, and, after slaughter, the blood, faeces, urine; the partially digested food and the unusable body parts like heads, feet and udders.

It seems that if factory farming did not exist then the abject cruelty that it involves would not exist either. And the world would be a less ravaged place.
04:33 PM on 01/14/2013
Of course we have an obligation to treat farm animals well - better than most are currently treated. It means paying more for our food, but that's the deal: if these animals are going to look after us, we have to look after them. Does that mean turning vegetarian, and seeing endless miles of crops and never an animal in the countryside? No, it doesn't. It means accepting responsibility for the lives we bring into existence, from conception to slaughter. After that, if we've done our job properly, we can enjoy the steak with a clear conscience.
04:09 PM on 01/14/2013
Well written, Ms Cross. You will reach very few readers. I say this as one who went vegetarian 12 years ago and a student of the Buddha. Most people are mired too deeply in conditioned patterns of thought and behaviour, unconscious, and motivated to great degree by craving, lust, greed, and deluded thinking. Some will hear you. The others will react out of fear and anger. You'll read quite bit coloured by denial, self-rationalisation...many will feel threatened by your words. Many of the comments here demonstrate just that. But I applaud your bravery and your efforts.
03:48 PM on 01/14/2013
Small farms treat their animals well, but larger farms are often appalling.
Anything mass produced is going to have lower care and quality put into it.
03:36 PM on 01/14/2013
Well on the whole we treat animals very well.A poorly treated animal is thin malformed and sub standard, and is not worth selling .So farmers bend over backwards to keep healthy happy animals.The only people that tend to find fault are those from the city,s and large towns who visit the country once every blue moon and see animals standing in a pool of water.
03:49 PM on 01/14/2013
Just because you fatten your animals up, doesnt mean they are treated well
06:14 PM on 01/14/2013
Visit a working farm
03:13 PM on 01/14/2013
Surely the worst cases of farm animal cruelty in Britain today are the way in which they are ritually slaughtered. Hanging upside down, having there throats cut and slowly bleeding to death without any form of being 'stunned' first. The animals are cruelly aware of their impending death. I understand that most meat eaten in Britain today is now 'ritually slaughtered'. Most of our major supermarkets now only sell this kind of meat. Disgusting!
04:19 PM on 01/14/2013
Just where do some people get their information from. Have you ever been to a slaughter house in the UK? ALL anilmals in THIS country have to be stunned before bleeding by law, even Halal meat. Prayers are said over them to satisfy the Muslim needs but they still MUST be stunned! Unlike in some of the EU member states and other countries around the world, where animals are still killed at the side of the road. But we ban fox hunting? The UK has some of the best animal husbandry in the world. Do your research before writing rubbish like in this article.
07:02 PM on 01/14/2013
Not true. Hallal ritual slaughter without stunning is allowed, permitted and carried out in Britain under British Law. They wriggle out of it by the use of the 'Religious exemption' clause. Look it up yourself, and don't bother me again.
02:26 PM on 01/14/2013
I come away from reading articles like this thinking do I exist on the same planet as the author. All the farmers I know are passionate about the welfare of their animals and do their best to give them a rasonable and healthy life. They do this day in and day out for very reward financially so the vast majority of people can enjoy meat in their diets. I respect those who don't wish to eat meat as their choice but all you townies who think that people who live in the country should even think about changing a habit of a lifetime can think again. If I had to kill my own animals and butcher them I won't think twice about. Bring back fox hunting as well
04:05 PM on 01/14/2013
You might think twice about posting without regard to grammar, syntax and punctuation...
01:11 PM on 01/14/2013
If slaughter houses had glass walls there would be alot more vegetarians.

I have no problems with people eating meat, but it is our duty to make sure animals are raised and slaughtered humanely.

For anyone interested in finding out more or helping farm animals and their plight, google Hillside Animal Sanctuary in Norfolk, i have been to the shelter personally and it is a delightful place for young and old alike.
01:05 PM on 01/14/2013
I am a meat eater but have to say I feel sorry for farm animals left out in all weathers, maybe the farmers need some education on how to care for livestock rather than us all become vegetarian
12:52 PM on 01/14/2013
I would never sit down to a meal without meat as a component, I'd also kill my own. Like all minority groups we're forced to listen to you lot think you're the only ones correct in your ways, I beg to differ and its chicken tonight.
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01:04 AM on 01/14/2013
Yes, we have something in common, LIFE, BESTOWED ON THEN JUST LIKE US HUMANS FROM THE SAME CREATOR!!!
12:07 PM on 01/14/2013
I'm pretty sure the people who created me didn't create an array of farm animals. That'd be quite a disturbing concept!
10:30 PM on 01/14/2013
Yeah a BIG Bang Expansion and after 9.4 billion years a lucky thing happened and a star was born and a mass of rock formed in the Goldie Lock area around this sun. 4.500 billion years later evolution began. So tell me who created me when everything you, I and every living thing on this planet and the million or so possible other planets with life in our galaxy alone came from exploding stars? NO supernatural being created me and no sad vegan will ever take the raw steak off my fork.
12:24 AM on 01/14/2013
Beautifully and accurately written. If we humans pride ourselves with our cognitive abilities, we must stop and think about the daily horror we are responsible for. But most would rather not think about it and instead they find ways to justify their acquiescence. Research shows that, when they're about to eat meat, people deny and denigrate the cognitive capacities and emotions that farm animals have been demonstrated to have (including capacity for suffering). When they're about to eat plant matter, they do no such thing: they appraise animals' capacities more accurately and realistically. Denying that animals are like us is a defense mechanism that allows the horror to go on. Say no to factory farmed meat or, even better, to all meat.
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08:00 AM on 01/14/2013
Man has always been a meat eater and hunter and in the early days he fitted in with the red in tooth and claw truth about nature. At some distant time in the past he became self conscious and aware of the pain and suffering of other creatures.
This created a Jekyll and Hyde; he wanted the taste of meat but he hated the thought of killing. Many today would give up meat if they had to kill their own.
They are cowards who require others to support their tastes. They are the Jekylls who want the Hydes to do their dirty work.
We see Jekyll and Hyde all around us and it may well be that Hyde will win the global battle for mans soul.
08:20 AM on 01/14/2013
Yes, people who happily buy farm-raised meat off the nice clean shelf in the supermarket are cowards. It sounds harsh, but it may even be worse than simple cowardice, because the fear of seeing the reality results in deployment of defense mechanisms (they're just food, they're very different from my dog, my dog has feelings and is not a piece of meat but a cow feels very little, and besides, most people eat meat). The denial allows for much worse atrocities toward animals. i'm no sure I understand, though, how Hydes will win the battle for human soul.
12:44 PM on 01/14/2013
Totally agree with your comment.