There was a time, not too long ago, when liberal Brits thought that gay marriage hysteria was something that only happened in other countries. Even David Cameron seems to have thought it was a tame, uncontroversial issue that would get him a tick in his socially progressive box without causing too much trouble. How wrong he was. If there's one message to take home from all the furore, it is that one should never underestimate the desire of the pious to dictate what other people do in their love lives.
All the uproar is, at one level, deeply weird. The bill to be debated in Parliament on 5 February is in itself about the tamest piece of proposed legislation in the history of anything. In practical terms, it changes very little. It's fundamentally a huge debate about the meaning of a single word. Civil partnerships already give gay couples pretty much the same rights as married straight couples. All this fuss arises, basically, because some (certainly not all) gays would prefer to have the option of using the more socially acceptable word 'marriage' to describe their long-term relationships, and because some (certainly not all) faith groups think they have a God-given right to deny them that choice.
That's weird enough, but it gets weirder. Under the proposals, the Church of England and the Catholic Church will be legally barred from conducting gay marriages. And yet it is members (some of them very powerful members) of the Church of England and the Catholic Church who are objecting most vociferously. At first sight, this is just silly: it's like the FA protesting over changes to the rules of darts. Football and darts are both sports, but they have different rules. Church and civil weddings are both marriages, but they will have different rules. What's wrong with that?
Well, what's wrong is that the analogy only works if you are committed to the idea that civil society has areas that are secular, beyond the reach of the Church. The most sinister fact that the kerfuffle discloses is that the Christian opponents of gay marriage simply don't accept that principle. All the post-census debate about whether Britain is 'still a Christian country' is only superficially about how people choose to identify themselves on their forms; much more fundamentally, it's about anxiety over the relegation of Christianity from its former position as beacon of national morality to its new status as one of any number of opt-in lifestyle choices. 'Hey, I'm a Christian'; 'That's so cool, I do yoga'; 'Yoga? Never got into it, I prefer darts.' That's some come-down.
But for all that the gay marriage debate is a vehicle for bigger issues, it's no accident that marriage and sexuality are the battleground. The various Christian Churches have a huge problem with sexuality, and have had for a long time. Actually, perhaps surprisingly, it's not a big theme in the Christian gospels: yes, there are some passages here and there about various improprieties, but it's not a major issue. Even Paul is much, much more exercised by women who won't wear the veil than by 'men who sleep with men.' (Modern Christians seem strangely silent on the issue of female veiling: I wonder why?) It was only later, in the Roman period, that Christians got heavily into sexual repression - and they did so as a counter-cultural statement, to absent themselves from the rigorous dynastic demands of Roman marriage. Then once Christianity became the religion of empire in the fourth century, control of sexuality became an ideology, and a means of imposing power. It was then that Christianity's most pernicious dogma took root: the idea that the masses are fallen beings because they have sexual urges, and so they should accept their priestly masters as superiors.
Nietzsche, in my view, is the best analyst of institutional Christianity. In The Anti-Christ he argues that the Church has always set out to deny and repress humanity's natural urges, and it does this for entirely self-serving reasons. Feeling like you can't measure up to some impossible standard of pious self-control? Who ya gonna call? Why, your local priest of course.
I don't - I hope this is clear - mean this as a blunderbuss attack on all Christians. The world is a huge, complex, diverse place, and benefits immeasurably from serious moral reflection. Christianity, like all other philosophies, can save people, it can change them, it can inspire them to do extraordinary things. But let's talk for a moment in moral absolutes. Ecclesiastical hierarchies have got it badly wrong on sexuality. They have done for over 1700 years. The issue has nothing to do with God, gods or godlessness; it's about humans and their accursed desire to exercise control over their fellow beings. Let's let people live and love as they choose, and stop mistaking prurience, prudishness and power for piety.
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There is so much wrong in this world, I would happily send postcards all day to my MP complaining and advising her how to vote on issues in the Church’s name.
But to prevent the love of two people for each other from being legalised and sanctified by the God of love, is the same as straining out a gnat and swallowing a camel (Matthew 23:22-24).
The overriding message of Jesus was love. Jesus modelled love; Jesus preached love; Jesus was love. That fact alone should lead Christians to the most obvious, and most Christian of all positions, stated so beautifully by Paul himself in 1 Corinthians 13:
“Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. For we know in part and we prophesy in part, but when completeness comes, what is in part disappears. When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put the ways of childhood behind me. For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known. And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.”
And your second point seems to be based on a misunderstanding: there was never any suggestion that all religions would be *forced* to conduct gay marriages. The first draft of the bill said that all religions would be *allowed to* if they wanted to. Under the revised plans, certain religions (the CoE and any other whose leaders haven't specifically opted in) will be banned from conducting them.
As for making this non-obligatory on the church,there is one,and only one reason,that is,that had they insisted on all religions complying,the mosques would never,ever agree,and we mustn't upset them,must we?
Incidentally, I hope it's clear that I wasn't trying to make an excuse for indiscriminate Christian-bashing. As Averagejosephine says, plenty of Christians have sensible, tolerant views on the issue.
Justinjuice, I don't manage the comments; I don't know why it didn't appear. Contact HuffPo? If you were saying that Nietzsche has his dodgy side, then you're absolutely right. I do know about large Catholic families, trust me! And I don't really think LGBT groups are trying to control how others think; they're just after dignity and respect. You'll always find silly obsessives in any community, I'm sure, but by and large I don't think it's an issue.
legality and venue are irrelevant. Sadly the main reason a lot of people want a CoE Church wedding has nothing to do with religion - they merely want a big occasion to show off with, just the same as wanting 200 guests at the reception ! I'm not a CoE person, but I do wonder why they tolerate this
situation. Perhaps it is just to keep the taxpayers happy and the wedding fees coming in.
Thank you.
If you require references to the quotes they can be supplied.
So that is where Revolutionary France and the USSR were, why not just complete the cycle by rounding up intolerant, reactionary priests and shooting them? After all, they are just conspiring to control people by preaching self-control, right?
Ironically given Mr Whitmarsh's comments on self -control, is that the catholic church is only all too happy for married catholics to exercise no control whatsoever in having sex with each other and one of the characteristics of good catholics was extremely large families ! It doesnt strike me that the author actually knows that much about the subject he is writing about - perhaps he has spent too much time in the libraries of Oxford >
---That is a matter of a(n alleged) change of emphasis, not doctrine. However, there is not a lot of record of doctrinal emphasis in the "Early Christian" period, and I will have to assume this statement fits under the hypothesis of "Christianity became an instrument of oppression with the institutionalisation of Catholic Church"
(4) "Then once Christianity became the religion of empire in the fourth century, control of sexuality became an ideology, and a means of imposing power. It was then that Christianity's most pernicious dogma took root: the idea that the masses are fallen beings because they have sexual urges, and so they should accept their priestly masters as superiors."
---This is a bizarre libertine conspiracy theory, that the preaching of chastity is a tool of oppression and control. It is a bizarre means of control because it is quite oblique and totally separate from regular channels of control: matters of economic resources and political power that actually determine life and death. How does preaching celibacy compare to, say, usury as a means of subduing people?
Yet, Church fathers are consistent on both issues. They supported strict sexual mores and opposed usury. In contrast, Whitmarsh's Huff Post partners with Goldman Sachs, which largely opposes strict sexual mores and supports usury.
(1) "Well, what's wrong is that the analogy only works if you are committed to the idea that civil society has areas that are secular, beyond the reach of the Church. The most sinister fact that the kerfuffle discloses is that the Christian opponents of gay marriage simply don't accept that principle."
---What is misunderstood here is that marriage is not primarily a civil relationship that happens to overlap with a religious sacrament. Civil marriage is not an ancient tradition.
(2) "The various Christian Churches have a huge problem with sexuality, and have had for a long time. Actually, perhaps surprisingly, it's not a big theme in the Christian gospels: yes, there are some passages here and there about various improprieties, but it's not a major issue"
---Some evangelical Protestant churches and other individuals may disproportionately emphasise sexuality vis-́à-vis other matters, but the fact of the matter is that there is very little diversity in the writings of Church fathers and in the history of the Catholic and Orthodox churches over matters of sexuality.
On the contrary, there is more of a misplaced emphasis recently on behalf of those who claim to be crusaders for justice but are wholly ignorant of real political struggles of life and death which are centred in foreign policy and finance, but prefer instead to talk about the abstract right to sexual practices.
It's funny though, how many Christians fully comply with all the bible says? Last time I checked the bible outlawed sex outside marriage, said inheritance should only go to the son and burn the adulterous with fire. I would to know if Phillip Hammond and Dr Liam Fox (outspoken critics of gay marriage) complied with all these rules? In my opinion there is a lot of pick and choose dependant on your own personal beliefs. Fancy sleeping with your girlfriend but your not married? Well I'll ignore that part then. Cheated on your wife/husband? Probably didn't shout out about how you should be burned with fire. Only had a daughter? Didn't see you giving your house to the church.
Religion is a personal choice, but I just wish some members of society would stop trying to impose their personal choice on others. I mean if you don't like the idea of gay marriage, you probably don't have a host of gay friends (if you do I image that's fairly uncomfortable conversation) so how exactly would a gay couple who you don't know and have nothing to do with impact you if they got married? I'm genuinely curious.....