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Agnosticism in the UK: It's Time to Listen to the Faithless Majority

Posted: 5/01/2012 23:00

When I need time and space to think I like to go to church. Not because I have a deep held religious belief, it's just the only place I can guarantee will always be empty.

That was a cheap shot, but then I read that David Cameron has been claiming, "We are a Christian country and we should not be afraid to say so."

The latest British Social Attitudes Survey has revealed that 50% of British people consider themselves to have "No Religion."

The number of people who describe themselves as religious has been falling and of those who do, many stated that they never attend a place of worship.

The idea that we're a Christian nation is based around poorly gathered data, a vocal minority and an erroneous perception that our entire culture is the result of besandaled Jew 2000 years ago.

This assumption has informed debate on the Lords' Spiritual role in the House of Lords, abortion, sex education, faith education and blasphemy.

The increasing amount of faith schools is in direct contradiction to the falling level of religiosity. All state schools are still obliged to have a "collective act of worship" which is "wholly or mainly of a broadly Christian character". That's despite only 44% of British people describing themselves as Christian, according to the BSA Survey.

With only 20% of respondents saying they are Anglican, the Church of England should be done under the trade descriptions act.

We now have a chance to ignore what celibates have to say about sex, marriage and homosexuality. We have a chance to acknowledge that this country's cultural history and identity is not solely built upon Christianity. Most importantly we have a chance to place reason over blind faith.

On a lighter note we should consider the implications of the growing numbers of faithless Britons. For a start the BNP and English Defense League can stand down from 'protecting the Christian majority.'

The national anthem needs rewording, as God Save Our Queen seems simply disingenuous. Rather than swearing on a Bible in court we can chose our own sacred text - I'd chose a battered VHS copy of Star Wars.

Most importantly, when some sanctimonious Vicar comes on the telly to lecture us about the 'true meaning' of the festive season we can remind ourselves that the majority of British people couldn't give a flying Christmas fig about it.

 

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When I need time and space to think I like to go to church. Not because I have a deep held religious belief, it's just the only place I can guarantee will always be empty. That was a cheap shot, but ...
When I need time and space to think I like to go to church. Not because I have a deep held religious belief, it's just the only place I can guarantee will always be empty. That was a cheap shot, but ...
 
 
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Theultrathinnothingnesshasabeautifulendforusall.
01:21 on 09/01/2012
Here the 'faithless' means more faith than that of religious people, Christians included.
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jessjesskk
Benevolent Zombie Power
10:40 on 08/01/2012
Will, you're my hero. Thanks to state the obvious.
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niumarmion
a temporary being
03:57 on 08/01/2012
A human being nailed to a cross is the most powerful religious image. It is comforting to focus on this image, because it represents all of suffering humanity waiting for the respite of death. You are not alone, and you can block out the details of your worries. It does not imply an afterlife. We should strive to alleviate the suffering.
12:57 on 07/01/2012
I once commented that Democracy is not a destination, only a road we travel. The same applies to
C of E. To be called a Christian you must believe in the ten comandments even if you don't follow all of them. The political caste say that the Archbishop should not comment on political events but when all is said they are now known to be liers, robbers and immoral people when it comes to abuse of the power that comes with the job of being an M.P. That is to some extent the fault of the voters who are not careful enough about who they vote for.Some say, & I agree, that the war we see in the HofC is dividing the nation. The Archbishop said that the coalition is putting forward policies that no-one voted for and no-one wants. He was quite right. Personally I follow the Dali Lama who says his religion is "kindness", but I call myself a Christian. I think most people think the same way judging by their generous spirit towards helping people in their hour of need. What else was Jesus about?
19:22 on 06/01/2012
Good for you! Don't allow the Xtian right wingnuts to take over the political discourse in your country the way they have here in the US.
17:37 on 06/01/2012
You don't have to look very hard to find vibrant thriving churches all over Britain. But in any case the issue is not about statistics
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Paul Wagland
Resistance is fertile
12:58 on 07/01/2012
Democracy is all about statistics.
14:06 on 07/01/2012
"Democracy is all about statistics­." Possibly so, but (for all its faults) parliamentary democracy is not. Government by statistics would be very bad news for several minority groups and rather good news for out-of-work hangmen.
21:07 on 07/01/2012
Strange that.

Churches thriving all over Britain? ,I suggest you are somewhat blinkered by a desire to thrust forward a religious agenda.

Everywhere I travel, beginning in my own region, the number of churches that have either, vanished under the wrecking ball, been converted to other use, or are now replaced by small factory estates or brown field housing, is virtually uncountable.

I accept that the RC church still has a reasonable following, but the numbers of adherents has dropped severely since the high of about 5 millions in the 20's/30s

I also accept that many traditional churches, in very small communities, and villages still stand, but even there the congregations are often far fewer than decades ago, to the extent they can no longer support the upkeep of the fabric. The once ubiquitous church or chapel on every street corner in the urban areas are getting fewer by the day.
They, like their erstwhile companions the Pubs, are declining ever more rapidly, their congregations diminishing. and there is a virtually no way they will return, we no longer live in fear of Hell's fires, or have hopes for everlasting life, the lies of the clergy have been outed, and we will; not take the rubbish any more, so please, no more pathetic prozelytising , the day of god fearing and Jesus Loves you is no more.
22:55 on 07/01/2012
What is confusing you is identifying 'churches' with 'old church buildings'. Of course the country is littered with buildings designed for an age when churchgoing was a respectable social activity, and there was precious little else to do on a Sunday anyway. Their disappearance may sometimes be a cultural loss, but has little to do Christian faith. In the early decades of the church, when it was growing so fast that it was accused of 'turning the world upside-down' you would have struggled to spot any 'churches' in your travels. Today there are a huge number of thriving congregations meeting in traditional buildings; and many churches who do not own or cannot be confined by such buildings. In my nearest market town is one church whose biggest problem is finding room for all their members to get together - they are hoping to buy a warehouse.

So no, I am not blinkered by a 'religious agenda', whatever that might be. But I have yet to meet many of this imaginary multitude who 'no longer ... have hopes for everlasting life', 'will not take the rubbish any more', and think that 'the lies of the clergy have been outed'. I respect your views, and you may have good reason for clinging to them. But a number of my best friends used to be convinced that 'the day of Jesus Loves You is no more' until they made the surprising discovery that they were wrong. You'll meet some sooner or later.
15:46 on 06/01/2012
Your opinions on Islam, Judaism, Hinduism and Sikhism in Britain would be welcome.
18:41 on 06/01/2012
The article was intended to focus on the idea of Britain as Christian culture, that's why I decided not to get sidetracked with other religions. As I'm sure you can image as an atheist I take secular opinion on the role of Religion in our society regardless of the faith.

The other religions only represent 6% of the population and there is an overall fall in religiosity according to the stats.
18:49 on 06/01/2012
Nicely evasive. Should do well.
15:34 on 06/01/2012
Attendance at worship services is not really a proof one way or the other about the religious faithfulness of a population. The acceptance of the core values of the dignity of the human person, and respect for those from womb to natural death are the test. What being "Christian" is varies from Benedict XV1 who proclaims the value of all life, and does not want economics or politics or ethnicity or religious persuasion to side-track that agenda. Onto Mr Obama who is the Cheer Leader in Chief for dumping Natural Law as a guide for exercising stewardship of human sexuality from marriage to the human life in the womb. The current push to balance the budgets destroyed by greed and gambling by the money "managers" and their . asleep at the wheel "overseers" on the backs of the most vulnerable and the middle classes flies in the face of the words of the Hebrew prophets and Jesus of Nazareth whose ideals created western civilisation quite successfully for a long time.and was advancing until the Grinch atheistic Humanism took over the Christmas message of caring, sharing and loving as one human family. .
13:59 on 06/01/2012
The Church of England is the established Church so Britain remains nominally a Christian country.
I don't think the writer of this article can be taken too seriously unless he advocates a change in church-state relations.
09:54 on 07/01/2012
A "change in church-state relations" is EXACTLY what we need.
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Paul Wagland
Resistance is fertile
12:21 on 06/01/2012
Well written and fun to read. Shame about churches being empty - the communities that paid for them should take them back. For the first time ever they might be put to a good use.
23:47 on 06/01/2012
Communities have never paid for church buildings, they were paid for by members of the church and they are maintained by members of the church. Non-Christian communities have never contributed to the upkeep of any church that I know of.
09:57 on 07/01/2012
Any that were built before Victorian times (i.e. most of them) were paid for by the whole community through enforced tithes (sometimes topped up by rich individual benefactors who may indeed have been blighted with religion or may just have been buying status).
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Paul Wagland
Resistance is fertile
13:01 on 07/01/2012
Not only were there enforced tithes as JohnDale says, but there was also immense social pressure to contribute to voluntary collections (church roof repairs being a recognisable example). The community paid for them, now a tiny number of people are using them. They should be put to better use.
03:07 on 06/01/2012
Isn't Queen Elisabeth the head of the Anglican church or are there athiest royalty. They have to act like they are religious whether they want to or not. Some of the worlds most famous cathederals are in England but this now must be all for nothing. What happened to school assembly and saying the lords prayer in the morning. Unfortunately England is getting to be an even bigger melting pot and will be mainly muslim in about 25 years. They are serious about their religion where as christianity in England is not.
13:56 on 06/01/2012
Nope, there is not athiest royalty (at least not outed anyway). And the issue about Britain becoming mainly Mulslim in about 25 years is nothing more than typical Daily Mail scaremongering. A tiny perecntage of the UK population considers themselves muslim (if I remember from my American wife's Life In the UK Citizenship test it is around 2-3%).

And remember that although muslims may have a higher rate of retaining followers than the various christian sects, people do still leave the muslim religion too. Anybody can become rational if they are willing to ask honest questions.
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Be awed & humbled by nature & empathy -not Juju.
21:58 on 08/01/2012
For bringing reason and sense, F'nF to you!
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07:43 on 08/01/2012
Freddie,
Britain is not going to be Muslim in 25 years that's just not true. There may be more Muslims here, but they won't be in a majority. There are incomparably more people who are aggressively anti-Muslim than there are Muslims for a start. Secondly the religion requires sacrifices that most of us are completely unwilling to make ( no bacon butties; no beer). Finally most of us have no great love for a religion that seems strict, intolerant and unbending.
02:42 on 06/01/2012
Not sure what sort of revolution you're trying to start here. Society needs a basic set of moral principles and if we were to re-write the law of the land based on what the majority of people find morally acceptable my guess is it would end-up looking, feeling and smelling like Christianity anyway (I beleive there is a good reason for that!). On which moral standard would you rather base a society upon?
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Thomas Platt
09:47 on 06/01/2012
The kind of moral standard that doesn't have the accumulated baggage of 1500 years of human interference? I think you'd be surprised how different contemporary morality is from Edwardian, Victorian, Elizabethan etc societies. While all of them share certain core tenets of morality (which I think are fairly self-evident common sense in any case) there are still major differences between the values held, and all of them are Christian societies.

Keep the core values. Discard the dross, which is what's keeping people like me from marrying the person I love, or keeping women from having control of their own bodies or giving people an evangelical excuse for their resentment and hatred.
13:59 on 06/01/2012
But the good areas of christian morality were not created by the christian faith they were just adopted since they already worked.

Then you have all the questionable areas of christian morality (stoning to death for various issues, physical punishment of slaves, killing your son as a sacrifice to name but a few).

You can't say christian morality is a good thing unless you are talking about all of it (you don't get to pick and choose otherwise your statement holds no truth). And if you are just going to pick the good stuff then chances are it isn't down to the christian way of thinking that we consider it a good moral to have.
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Thomas Platt
14:32 on 06/01/2012
Exactly. People tend to argue that modern times are destroying good, old-fashioned, sepia-toned Christian values, but people have been arguing that in every era for centuries. I bet you anything there were people in the Jacobean era banging on about how morals were going to hell in the 17th century, and if we could all just go back to how things were under Elizabeth I, everything would be just great again.

All it is is fear of change and a rose-tinted, nostalgic view of the past, which appeals to people with poor memories and no knowledge of social history. Live moves, and we move with it.
00:13 on 06/01/2012
Actually most Christians I know dislike the words 'religion' and 'religious'. Witty article; muddled statistics; ultimately pointless.
09:58 on 06/01/2012
The point of the article was perfectly clear - the stats do not support David Cameron's position
16:56 on 06/01/2012
Cameron was wrong stating this us a Christian country. The reason he is wrong is because, although a claimed 50% say they are Christian, it is because they feel they owe their ancestors, parents, their friends, and neighbours, some sort of reason why they feel they have a morality common to all around.

There is no ready to hand way to explain that morality, so by stating they are 'Christian', they are using the term as a substitute for the word they cannot find that all will understand.
Most other words have been hijacked for other reasons, Human goes to the Humanists, pagan implies godless, agnostics, few really understand what that means or implies, so of all that could be used, and I guess there must be many, none really fill the gap should 'Christian' be found inadequate.

As for the numbers, I know hundreds of people thanks to the business I was engaged in, few ever attended any sort of church or chapel, in fact here in my town, I can think of maybe two places still operating out of the fifty or more that rose between 1800 and the late fifties.

If that does not show a decline in 'Christianity I don't know what can.

50%, .....I would say the truth is nearer 85%.
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Thomas Platt
11:31 on 06/01/2012
Christians disliked being labelled a "religion" because religion implies one of many, and Christians take what they believe as truth. It's not "belief" because that implies that something might be otherwise.
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Dombeyandson
11:42 on 09/01/2012
Religion does not - religion simply means a way of life and is man's efforts to find God. Faith is God.s efforts to find man. Belief is something else.