British Policymakers Pursuing 'Half-Measure' In Trying To End Too Big To Fail

Bank Of England

First Posted: 06/07/11 05:57 BST Updated: 04/09/11 11:12 BST

WASHINGTON -- British proposals to force large banks to separate their riskier trading operations from their retail units go further than what U.S. policymakers ordered when revamping their financial system, yet still fall far short of truly ending the perception that megabanks are too big to fail, experts say.

The Independent Commission on Banking, a panel formed at the urging of the government last year to recommend ways to increase the stability of the British banking industry, suggested in April that lenders should isolate their basic banking operations into separately capitalized subsidiaries within the larger bank. This would make it easier and cheaper for regulators to wind down failing firms while protecting retail and business deposits, the panel argued, and more expensive for banks to engage in capital markets activities like trading in derivatives.

Britain spent more than 65 billion pounds in taxpayer funds rescuing Royal Bank of Scotland Group Plc and Lloyds Banking Group Plc during the financial crisis.

Policymakers, trying to avoid a repeat scenario, have latched onto the idea of a subtle separation of banks' retail and investment units. Chancellor of the Exchequer George Osborne backed the proposal last month during his Mansion House speech.

But that idea, while it has caused an uproar among British bankers for the costs it would likely impose, barely takes a stab at ending so-called "Too Big To Fail," say experts like Simon Johnson, a former chief economist at the International Monetary Fund.

"The question is what's the size you're left [with] and are you afraid of them failing," said Johnson, a professor at the MIT Sloan School of Management and a member of the U.S. Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation's systemic resolution advisory committee. "By itself, [ringfencing] is not going to do much."

Johnson reckons the banks will still be too big, and policymakers will remain too scared to let them fail.

While banks would be forced to hold a bit more cash as a buffer against extreme losses -- a result of having to raise more capital for the separate subsidiary -- they would ultimately remain nearly as large as they are now, and would not hold nearly enough capital to protect taxpayers from having to rescue them in case of failure, experts argue.

"In principal, this is a perfectly reasonable thing to do," said Richard Portes, president of the Centre for Economic Policy Research and an economics professor at London Business School. "But it doesn't strike at the essence of the problems that caused the crisis or try to prevent future ones."

"The banks will still be very, very big -- it will be just as big as before -- and with that comes not just 'too big to fail' but 'too big to manage' and 'too big to cope with politically,'" Portes said.

Johnson recommends big banks be broken up. Thomas Hoenig, president of the Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City, an arm of the U.S. central bank, says the same thing, as do his counterparts in St. Louis and Dallas. Hoenig says that financial firms that take deposits, which enjoy taxpayer backing, should not be allowed to leverage that support to engage in riskier activities like trading for their own account.

Last year, the U.S. passed a financial regulation law known as Dodd-Frank that aimed to end the perception that some firms are so big that policymakers would not allow them to fail. One of the law's provisions mandates that banks reduce trades made for their own account, while another calls for some of banks' derivatives activities to be organized within a separately capitalized subsidiary.

Regulators are at work defining key terms that would govern such moves.

The British independent commission, led by former Bank of England chief economist John Vickers, could have gone further, particularly given the size of the banking industry relative to the economy.

However, the commission dismissed ideas like Johnson's as "radical" in its interim report, released in April. Instead, the Vickers panel pursued "more moderate measures."

"You can't get half-pregnant in this game," said Amar Bhide, a professor of international business at the Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy at Tufts University and a former proprietary trader at E.F. Hutton.

"It's not enough to have a ringfenced subsidiary; I think the ringfenced entity ought to be free and clear on its own accord," Bhide said.

Bhide, like Johnson and Hoenig, supports cleaving off capital markets units from retail banks.

"These things are spaghetti-like creatures, where no one quite knows who owns what, what the obligations are, and to whom and by whom," Bhide said. "People have no clue from the outside -- including, I suspect, the regulators -- what a mess it is, organizationally speaking, within these large entities."

British policymakers, like their counterparts in the U.S., don't seem inclined to take the sort of steps that would make their jobs easier. Vickers's suggestion was the next-best thing.

"They feel the need to do something," Johnson said. "This is the least they could do."

Ultimately, the ringfencing idea is "terrific," Bhide said, "but no half-measures, please."

* * * * *
r

Shahien Nasiripour is a senior business reporter for The Huffington Post. You can send him an email; bookmark his page; subscribe to his RSS feed; follow him on Twitter; friend him on Facebook; become a fan; and/or get e-mail alerts when he reports the latest news. He can be reached at 1+917-267-2335.

FOLLOW HUFFPOST UK

WASHINGTON -- British proposals to force large banks to separate their riskier trading operations from their retail units go further than what U.S. policymakers ordered when revamping their financial ...
WASHINGTON -- British proposals to force large banks to separate their riskier trading operations from their retail units go further than what U.S. policymakers ordered when revamping their financial ...
 
 
  • Comments
  • 12
  • Pending Comments
  • 0
  • View FAQ
Comments are closed for this entry
View All
Favorites
Recency  | 
Popularity
HUFFPOST SUPER USER
danglines
04:13 AM on 07/07/2011
What6 a surprise. The greedy win again.
photo
talkmedown
End the insanity - PoliticalFinanceReform.org
06:03 PM on 07/06/2011
In America we have 435 congressmen, 100 senators and two Execs = 537 federally elected who control nearly everything. Financial incentives and dependence is how private industry controls these 537. We have, in our worst year, $3.5 trillion in revenue. It would cost 1/1000th our revenue to buy the loyalty of these 537 back, see http://politicalfinancereform.org/

Until we do this, we're just spitting into the wind
05:15 PM on 07/06/2011
"These things are spaghetti-like creatures, where no one quite knows who owns what, what the obligations are, and to whom and by whom," Bhide said. "People have no clue from the outside -- including, I suspect, the regulators -- what a mess it is, organizationally speaking, within these large entities."

Do you think anyone inside these institutions understands any better? Once you have 100,000 vice-presidents dreaming up clever and complex financial schemes, there is little chance of it.
photo
Aikaterina
A Greek-American living in California
04:51 PM on 07/06/2011
What's needed is a global version of Glass-Steagall.

Banks are traditional lenders, and scrutinize applicants' debt-to-income ratios, verify borrowers' ability to pay, assets, etc. If a borrower defaulted, the bank alone suffered the loss, so banks were very careful about to whom and how much they loaned.

Insurers employ top mathematicians to assess risk. Actuaries study data-statistics to know potential risks, and evaluate policy premiums before insuring products, services, etc. Insurers bet on those risks, and realize they can suffer some losses, and thus are cautious in ensuring the premiums will cover potential losses.

Investment firms are speculative by nature. Investors know (or should be aware of) potential risks, when putting their money into stocks or firms before putting their money into them. They should also realize that any losses they may suffer are their own, and they will alone bear the hardships caused by them.

The problems in the financial collapse came about when banks were able to sell off loans, invest in other instruments, and self-insure all at once, as was done by the investment firms and insurers. This created those "too-big-to-fail" institutions, which was exacerbated after TARP funds were given without precondition. Many firms-banks used that money for mergers-acquisitions to make their instututions even larger in the US.
photo
HUFFPOST SUPER USER
vippy
Carpe Diem!
08:17 PM on 07/06/2011
They don't want to do the right thing on both sides of the Atlantic! The deregulated financial products known as over the counter derivatives and loosened capital requirements allows traders to run roughshod over our economy, pocketing excessive profits and slowing the pace of recovery. How can we change this, by voting them all out of office!
photo
HUFFPOST SUPER USER
Alain Lareau
12:33 AM on 07/07/2011
vippy,
we we all know what they want.

What do you want?
are you going to push your Rep to
cosponsor Glass-Steagall or not!
photo
HUFFPOST SUPER USER
Akhil Khanna
04:07 PM on 07/06/2011
The politician­­­­­­­s and the Central Bankers are only working for the bankers and make rules only to help those who are useful to them.

They bail out the bankers and the rich corporatio­­­­­­­ns (who should not be in business because of their incompeten­­­­­­­cies­) without even changing their previous management because they fund the election campaigns and also place them in their organisati­­­­­­­ons at exorbitant salaries once they leave office. This class alongwith the rich individual­­­­­­­s pay the minimum amount of tax while getting the maximum benefit of the tax collected from the rest of the population in the form of bailouts.

The rest of the population is least of their concerns. The only activity they do is pacify the majority of the population using false statistics and promises of a better future so that they do not lynch them and their masters while they are robbing the taxpayers.

http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article24581.html
This user has chosen to opt out of the Badges program
02:55 PM on 07/06/2011
You can't allow "private" banking and "public" policy to be mixed and mingled ... it's just as simple as that.

You also can't allow any officer of any financial-related institution to be confident that, no matter what goes wrong, he will escape criminal prosecution and (more alarming to such a person) the absolutely certain forfeiture of all of his gold. (That's right, hit him straight in his wallet. Then, and only then, he'll sit up and take notice.)

But there is one other thing that must be done first ... over here, in America. We have to eliminate the Federal Reserve System, which allows banks to "buy securities" issued by the Federal Government and to "borrow money" from the same Government with which to do so. This co-mingling of public and private interests is at the core, both of "too big to fail(TM)," and the instability that has resulted from it.

A sovereign government has the sovereign right, within its own bounds, to "coin money and regulate the value thereof." That right is, of course, checked by the fact that the country must trade with other countries for whom those rules do not exist. But, by (in effect) laundering our money through the banking system, that's effectively what America has tried to do with regard to the entire business world.

The system is intrinsically unstable. That's why it's failing all over the world.
This user has chosen to opt out of the Badges program
photo
how goes the matrix
War is peace, Freedom is slavery, Ignorance is str
02:07 PM on 07/06/2011
The assumption is always that legislators WANT to end these To Big To Fail practices .. or for that matter -- that they actually control the very process that would end them ...

Flawed thinking / assumption --

The game as per usual is to give appearance of change -- while allowing / continuing the to big to fail business every advantage -- These folks own the debate, the process, the media and everything else in between -- so I wouldn't expect any real or meaningful solutions -- that would benefit 99.9 % of the rest of humanity ..
photo
rigslip
I've been to hell and back
11:32 AM on 07/06/2011
We did the same thing here in the US with a piece of legislation called the Dodd-Frank Bill. Apparently, the 2 men who shared responsibility for creating the mortgage crisis, were rewarded with the opportunity to write the new rules to fix the crisis. We've gone all the way down the rabbit hole
photo
HUFFPOST SUPER USER
structurequity
structurequity not oppression
07:41 AM on 07/06/2011
Financial institution that have been allowed to cloak their money making endeavors under the mantle of a bank and now use so many vehicles that have nothing to do with the staid business of day to day business. These non-banking operations should be defined as such and placed under completely different companies identified as playing with ones money. There will come again a day of reckoning but that day will see blood in the streets for ordinary hard working citizens will take their anger out on these greedsters and their political/judicial protectors.
photo
HUFFPOST SUPER USER
muck-raker
give me liberty or give me death
09:56 AM on 07/06/2011
excellent post,more: They weren't murderers or anything; they had merely stolen more money than most people can rationally conceive of, from their own customers, in a few blinks of an eye. But then they went one step further. They came to Washington, took an oath before Congress, and lied about it.

Thanks to an extraordinary investigative effort by a Senate subcommittee that unilaterally decided to take up the burden the criminal justice system has repeatedly refused to shoulder, we now know exactly what Goldman Sachs executives like Lloyd Blankfein and Daniel Sparks lied about. We know exactly how they and other top Goldman executives, including David Viniar and Thomas Montag, defrauded their clients. America has been waiting for a case to bring against Wall Street. Here it is, and the evidence has been gift-wrapped and left at the doorstep of federal prosecutors, evidence that doesn't leave much doubt: Goldman Sachs should stand trial.

The great and powerful Oz of Wall Street was not only target of Wall Street and the Financial Crisis: Anatomy of a Financial Collapse, the 650-page report just released by the Senate Subcommittee on Investigations,. Their unusually scathing bipartisan report also includes case studies of Washington Mutual and Deutsche Bank, providing a panoramic portrait of a bubble era that produced most destructive crime spree in our history — "a million fraud cases a year" is how one former regulator puts it.

balance best read:http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-people-vs-goldman-sachs-20110511