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Sir Hugh Orde: No 'Endemic' Racism In The Police

Posted: 13/05/2012 07:56 Updated: 13/05/2012 07:56

Hugh Orde
Sir Hugh Orde, president of the Association of Chief Police Officers

One of the UK's most senior policemen has denied the force is inherently racist.

Sir Hugh Orde, president of the Association of Chief Police Officers (Acpo) told the Huffington Post UK that "It's something you can never take your eye off" but that he believed "confidence in the police is rising".

Several UK forces, most notably the Metropolitan Police, have recently come under pressure over racism. The Met currently has seven officers facing charges for gross professional misconduct in relation to incidents of alleged racism.

But Orde rejected the accusation of a wider problem with racism in the police, arguing the "power of the media" had distorted the picture.

"Is this an endemically racist police service - no it isn't. Will you get individuals who behave way outside the bounds of respectability, yes you will," he said.

"You have to do deal with it very robustly, very quickly and very effectively, and my sense is that is what the Met commissioner is doing. … I don't think there is endemic or institutional racism in policing."

He added that the police were not institutionally corrupt.

"The best indicator of corrupt cops for me - do we prosecute police officers for speeding? All the time. You ask cops in other countries if they'd prosecute another cop for speeding they'd look at you in abject horror.

Orde also addressed the legacy of the 2011 riots, but said that forces would have to think very carefully before deploying so-called 'plastic bullets' - which Orde himself deployed when head of the police in Northern Ireland.

"The British model of policing is minimum use of force, minimum infringement on the rights of the citizen and routinely unarmed service," he said.

"The role of the police is to use what is appropriate. If any of the police had killed someone with a baton round that's a legacy that will last three or four generations."

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One of the UK's most senior policemen has denied the force is inherently racist. Sir Hugh Orde, president of the Association of Chief Police Officers (Acpo) told the Huffington Post UK that "It's s...
One of the UK's most senior policemen has denied the force is inherently racist. Sir Hugh Orde, president of the Association of Chief Police Officers (Acpo) told the Huffington Post UK that "It's s...
 
 
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Peter Leary
So long and thanks for all the fish.
11:38 AM on 05/24/2012
The same levels of racism exist in all trades and professions, sure. But this is the police... people with varying levels of education and intelligence who have the power to detain and dominate. The 'endemic' accusation is most worryingly highlighted not by the actions of individuals but by the refusal of the PCC to accept and investigate routine racial abuse. A case in point:

A Jamaican friend in his late forties spent years building up a modest recording studio in South London. He has a mortgage on a 3-bed terrace, happily married with two kids, pays his taxes etc. Last year he treated himself to a Porsche - an old 944, a couple of grand's worth. From the moment he bought it he was pulled over 2 or 3 times a week and harassed, often by the same cops. This went on for months. He told me that with virtually every incident an officer would - clearly and deliberately - use the phrase "You black c***" at some point. He admitted that this had reduced him to tears on occasion and that the last time it happened his 12 year old son was in the passenger seat. He complained numerous times but was never engaged on the subject.

Now that IS endemic racism. Hugh Orde can make as many sweeping, placatory statements as he likes, but what people are ACTUALLY experiencing proves him to be just another unconvincing spinner of words.
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Ben Wilson
Might as well laugh while you still can.
06:49 AM on 05/14/2012
Racism or any such label is to simplistic for the problems we see and sense in the force. It's a power/class issue IMO. Cases of prejudice in the force predominantly occur to the working class and that can be connected to a variety of things a copper may find intimidating including language style, fashion and the fact the police may not get the respect or responses they instantly expect after having spoken to someone in a less than diplomatic tone.
We all know what we would like to do to these hood rats on shop corners, imagine if you were jobsworth copper? Or an inept copper who's had enough.
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Edgar H
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01:11 AM on 05/14/2012
Yes, there will be people within the Police Service who are racist and corrupt, as there are in every community. The question is whether we should tar each officer as racist, etc; because of the behavior of the few (remember there are more than 120,000 officer plus civilian staff). If we are to do so, then we as individuals must admit to our own sins and try not to show ourselves as something better than we are. No ethnic or racial group holds the moral high ground.

In respect of the use of minimum within the British policing context, I find his comment at variance with the reality he had policing the north of Ireland when he permitted his officers too use baton rounds etc throughout his reign. Is the north of Ireland British or occupied territory?
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Vapula
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09:29 PM on 05/13/2012
Orde's statement is at variance with the evidence. if this man told me the sky was purple I would be silly to believe him because he would be lying or mistaken: the same applies to his comments on racism in the Police.
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jimbraid1
07:02 PM on 05/13/2012
Its about time the British public gave the police more support, they do a difficult enough job without people slagging them off all the time. These same people will be glad of help from the police if they ever need them. We all know there are bad apples in their midst but what large organisation doesnt ?. Cut them a bit of slack.
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10:39 AM on 06/19/2012
Well said Jimbraid1
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Hugh Albert
Moderation in somethings
10:11 AM on 05/13/2012
I can't agree with snail, I think Hugh Orde is generally correct. He was an excellent leader of PSNI, so he is thorough cognisant with bigotry and prejudice in all it's forms.
There will always be "wrong uns" in any large body of men and women with authority, human nature being what it is, but bye and large, I think we are fortunate to have the police service we have.
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jimbraid1
07:03 PM on 05/13/2012
My thoughts exactly Hugh.
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Hugh Albert
Moderation in somethings
08:05 PM on 05/14/2012
Thanks for the support, Jim.
11:30 AM on 06/19/2012
I apologise for missing this...

I'm not surprised that you cannot agree to this. Red the statements that I quote. It's called spin my dear Hugh. I stopped short of saying all. There is a lot, more than enough. Those are his words. I just interpret as is. I would rather he be more honest with the issues mentioned that sell misdirecting fluff.

Maybe you should read my message a few times, it is long. Thank you for the response.
09:49 AM on 05/13/2012
When you make a statement like, "confidence in the police is rising"—Orde, you are acknowledging in an indirect way that there are issues awry within the force at large.

The fact that you lay blame by saying, the "power of the media"—Orde, means that you are trying to put a positive spin on the prevalent facts; Case in point, ( http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/04/17/pc-alex-macfarlane-racial-abuse-suspect-riots-_n_1430675.html ).

Modern social media, unlike the stuff of #Leveson fame, (where you manipulated and corrupted justice), generally shows a direct viewpoint. Usually camera phone or CCTV footage gives us a birdseye/real-time view of goings on.

Modern day policing should not be about guess work and suppositions, so I have done you a kind favour Mr Orde, and edited your next statement, as you meant to say, "I d̶o̶n̶'t think there is endemic or institutional racism in policing."—Orde: Let us be factual please.

"The role of the police is to use what is appropriate."—Orde: Like the old school Whispering game, where amusement was had from the garbled response of your whispers; the police clearly suffers from the same phenomena. By the time your message reaches the grass, the reality is often different.

To sum up, not all the police are as I describe; however, too many are tainted.
Spend less time in fire fighting by making assumptive remarks, and deal with the core issues Mr Orde.

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10:50 AM on 06/19/2012
Maybe you should should heed some of your own advise regarding assumptive remarks snail. You must know a decent proportion of the 100k+ police officers in Britain to be able to suggest there is endemic racism accross the forces, or do you read the nationals rags as your bible?
12:00 PM on 06/19/2012
Please assist me with the assumptive statements. You maybe are not aware of reading in between the lines. This is common politico-spin My dear Boudacea (sarcasm). I have dealt with liars, and have had to decipher there language many a time. In government, or police, it's translated as being economical with the truth.

I have experienced all sides of policing; the good, the bad, and the racist. Something you will never see. That's like you moaning at me women are objectified by men.....Should you say that to me, I would be forced to listen, as you have a unique viewpoint, that I will never be privy to. I would have to show empathy. something which your response was seriously lacking.

I do not read the national rags. I do not procure newspapers. Like I said, I speak from experience. This story is far to sensitive for me to go on a strong statement as I did without tangible evidence.

Your 100k could be perceived as assumptive. You are plucking a figure, with no backing. Based on..? I didn't give a figure, I just basically said, Orde had an opportunity to deal with this in an honest manner. He chose to cover up the truth.

Ps: I do not have a chip on my shoulder.