No one's religious anymore. Not anyone with any sense. Religion incites hatred, starts wars, and vilifies anyone who challenges its narrow-minded views. Believing in a big bearded man in the sky is stupid. I can say and do what I want because when I die I'm either going to be burnt or rot in the ground. That's it. Finito, terminado, kthanksbye.
Of course I'm playing devil's advocate. There are still lots of people who consider themselves religious in Britain and these beliefs should be respected not ridiculed.
Yet there is a increasing portion of society who consider those with religious faith to be foolish, irrational or responsible for ostracising others. Religious beliefs are all too often either mocked or resentfully tolerated.
But having faith is not as alien a concept as atheists might suggest.
The gap between believers and non believers doesn't exist in the way that some people insist.
It is true that we all believe in something. And those beliefs are often fundamental to our view of the world and something we resolutely adhere to even when challenged.
We all have beliefs and through acknowledging this, some of the tension between religious and secular parts of society can be healed. Indeed our very need to believe unites us.
Belief means an acceptance that something is true, especially an acceptance without proof.
It also means having trust or confidence in something. Faith pretty much means the same thing (according to the Oxford English Dictionary) except it's defined in stronger terms.
We believe in lots of things without proof. Even if we don't use the word faith, we put our confidence in people or actions with no guarantee of whether they will work.
Loving someone is an incredible act of faith for example. Virgil wrote in 42 BC: "Love conquers all things; let us too surrender to love."
That was way before Christianity took off in the ancient world. Even those heathen Romans had some conception of faith. It's almost impossible to live your life believing in nothing.
Looking after our planet implies a set of beliefs about humanity too. After all, we will be reduced to dust before the world heats up, the ice caps melt and the mango becomes the national fruit of Scotland. It will be a shame but it's not like we'll be around to see it.
Yet lots of secular people care about the planet. Why? Are we trustees of its "still waters and green pastures"? Who trusted it to us then?
We should preserve the planet for our fellow creatures goes one argument. Perhaps we have a responsibility to the other human beings who come after us.
But that implies some sort of belief about the whole of humanity. And seeing as none of us have met the whole of humanity, that's a hell of a leap of faith in the worthiness of humans.
Perhaps you believe most people are fundamentally good, so we should protect the planet for them.
If you think we should "treat others the way you want to be treated" and seeing as we like to live in a green and pleasant land we should allow our descendants the privilege too.
Many people believe in the 'do unto others as you would to yourselves' maxim. It is also an ethic that underpins almost every religion from East to West. If you believe in that, you have something in common with every Muslim, Christian, Jew and Hindu in Britain today.
In Islam it is expressed implicitly and explicitly both in the Koran and the hadith, sayings of the prophet Muhammad. "That which you want for yourself, seek for mankind."
In Hinduism the ethic is embodied in the sacred text of the Mahabharata: "One should never do that to another which one regards as injurious to one's own self."
The maxim "Love your neighbour as yourself "is enshrined in both the Jewish Torah and Christian Old Testament
These religions are not breaking new ground with their adoption of the 'golden rule.'
"Never impose on others what you would not choose for yourself," wrote Confucius around 500BC.
Maybe this maxim is just a common sense practice for a decent society. Still, to hold true it requires a level of belief.
You're trusting that the person to whom you ascribe this maxim is like you.
Which requires a belief that in some way humans are similar. If you are like me, and I am like you, and I am thinking about you then you must also sometimes think about me. And we are both probably deserving of respect.
Even if you think the maxim has survived due to a selfish desire to preserve oneself, the very fact so many people believe it to be true shows we have more in common than we realise: ironically, regardless of all our different beliefs.
There's nothing wrong with belief, secular or religious. In and of itself, undistorted, it's not the dangerous force that it's sometimes labelled.
In fact, it takes a level of courage and self confidence to trust in something. I think perhaps we are all more inclined to believe than we realise. So even if our faiths are different, as believing humans we still have quite a lot in common. That sounds like a pretty good starting point for understanding and believing in each other to me.
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'Religious beliefs are all too often either mocked or resentfully tolerated' well the religious probably have nobody to blame but themselves for that one. Arrogance and intolerances rarely go unpunished. Mocking and resentful toleration are rarely fatal btw.
May you provide such evidence, I mean evidence that a specific religion is plain wrong.
I don't think you understand that "evidence" thing, but then that's to be expected - as an engineer, you're trained to apply knowledge, not to assess its validity.
I have an ointment for that if you want to borrow it? :-)
Will they never allow any thoughts from us readers who have an opinion, that does not sit too well with them, to get past the censor?
Are the powers that be scared of a non-religious persons arguements?
Fed up with this scaredy cat joke of a forum!
As you must know by now, I don't believe in god. I do keep an open mind on an afterlife though. I have spoken to many people who claim to be able to see 'spirits', I used to work with two of them and they were the most level headed people you could ever meet, and before anyone suggests they were faking it for profit, neither of them ever charged money.
I know there are a lot of charlatans out there who dupe people into thinking they can be put in touch with dead relatives and friends usually in exchange for money, but the ones I have met had no reason to pretend they could do so.
If you are an example of the type of person that actually believes in the 'God' thing, I am happy to distance myself from you, shouting how absurd to believe in such nonsense.
What I dont believe is that any religion should try and force themselves or there beliefs on anyone.
Come the day I die and im wrong and there is a god then I alone will have to answer to him,other than that I will be buried or cremated and life will go on.
To be honest all that is needed is one of these gods to appear only for a second and point a finger and say BEHAVE and we would all have no choice but to believe,but qas usuall the silence is defening.
We need separation of church and state. There is no good reason why we as taxpayers should be having to pay for 26 unelected bishops in the House of Lords.
It's a great pity no government is likely to ever have the balls to turn around & put it into practice.
Bullshit. The vast majority of people of religious belief are in no way missionary. And as long as you reserve for yourself the right to smear others in public, kindly desist from complaining when they reciprocate.
Science is so often proven wrong. The 10 commandments, if obeyed, would result in peace and harmony. Sadly man cannot live up to those expectations. Do you know who wrote them? Of course not.
"If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay the girl's father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the girl, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives." -Deuteronomy 22:28-29
F&F!!!
Religion is like a dictatorship, a "higher being" set the rules and if you don't obey, you are punished. Isn't most wars recently has been about getting rid of dictators? While killing each other in the process.