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We Need to Stop Electing Neanderthals Who Believe That Rape Is Anything Other Than a Heinous Act

Posted: 22/08/2012 15:33

Last night, I stormed out of a dinner party in a rage with tears streaming down my face. I was in a conversation with a male friend who I love who was trying to explain away Galloway's comments on Assange.

At one point I ended up yelling and itemising the number of his female friends who have been sexually attacked. Let me clarify here, I have not been raped. But I have been assaulted with sex as a goal of the attacker and I have been sexually harassed more times than I can count.

Almost every woman I know has been at the receiving end of some sort of sexually motivated abuse. A few weeks ago I was in a meeting when I got a text that one of my best friends had just been attacked on the tube, it was 4pm. Two years ago, I was followed approached and grabbed on the tube, I resisted and asked other passengers for help, only to be ignored when the attacker said I was his drunk girlfriend. I only got away by diving in to another tube car as the door closed. Both of us would have been victims of 'legitimate' stranger danger rape rather than that of our boyfriends or acquaintances.

In ways, that would have made it easier - as people are able to believe that the baddie in the bushes raped you rather than the neighbour you've known since you were ten or the guy you've been on a few dates with that you would have probably slept with anyway. But both of us when recounting the stories repeatedly say what we were wearing... we explain that we were in no way encouraging it. We justify our right to have been, god forbid, travelling unaccompanied on public transport. This has been ingrained into our psyche. We must have been asking for it in some way.

This isn't meant to be a litany of woe is me and my friends. Rape, sexual assault, assault with sexual undertones and violence underlying it is a constant threat. Rape has been used as a weapon against women since the beginning of time. It is used to tame, silence and demonstrate power over women regularly. And currently in England and the US, two supposedly educated nations, it is headline news. From Julian Assange to Todd Akin; what is rape rape? What is legitimate rape? Why don't these women just roll over and open their legs, whether they are asleep or awake and let us get on with our manly business.

These aren't tears of sadness, they are tears of fury. People wonder why rape is only reported a quarter of the time? Because the cops and the people on the benches of so called justice are asking what they were wearing, they are silently asking if it is forcible, legitimate, real, actual, rape. Or just a misunderstanding. Or just a little bad sexual etiquette.

Something has to give, the fury and rage that is being expressed on Twitter is just the tip of the iceberg. Women need to come out in force and vote. And the men that we love, the men that we share our stories of abuse with, the men that stand by us, need to vote too. Galloway needs to be shamed out of politics.

In my opinion, Assange needs to be prosecuted for the alleged rapes that he committed and Akin needs to resign. And we need to stop electing Neanderthals that hold the belief that rape is anything other than a heinous act.

 

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Last night, I stormed out of a dinner party in a rage with tears streaming down my face. I was in a conversation with a male friend who I love who was trying to explain away Galloway's comments on As...
Last night, I stormed out of a dinner party in a rage with tears streaming down my face. I was in a conversation with a male friend who I love who was trying to explain away Galloway's comments on As...
 
 
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05:37 PM on 08/28/2012
'alleged rapes that he committed ' - is still a libel. Seriously, whoever your subs are, you need to learn some media law. Just sticking 'alleged' in doesn't fix it. You say alleged, and then in the next independent clause, call him guilty of them. If you want to change it correctly, change it to "the rape he is alleged to have committed".
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01:50 PM on 08/25/2012
While I absolutely agree all cases of sexual abuse should be reported and investigated (with the punishment if convicted to be harsh - castration kind of harsh) there is nonetheless something strange going on with Assange's case. If the woman involved believed that she had been attacked, why did she wait so long to report it? Why did she throw him a party the following day?

These are legitimate questions that need to be answered and I think they should be part of an official investigation into whether he committed the offences he is accused of, but it cannot be denied that (in this case) there is some doubt as to what actually happened. I don't agree with Galloway about the whole "bad sexual etiquette" defence, if the woman told him to stop and he didn't, that is rape and he should be punished for it but the other issue here is America's desire to "detain" him for embarrassing them with his Wikileaks revelations. Would you trust America now? A country that tortures people, detains them without trial for ten years and keeps looking for excuses to start new wars is not a country I would want to be extradited to!

The best solution would be if Ecuador were to commit to trying him for the crimes he has been accused of, then we could all believe justice might hopefully be served.
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03:29 AM on 08/25/2012
How glad am I that I don't have to go to London any more. I loved it all those years ago.

In 1963 I came to Victoria Station by bus to catch the train, returning to my hometwon West Berlin. I needed to eat in the about 2 hours break until the train departed. My suitcase was heavy, but at the left luggage there was a queue so long that I could have deposited and started queueing up for retrieval straight away. Not far I saw a large area of deposited suitcases - I hadn't been the only one. They were unattended suitcases, maybe 50 sqm. Nobody had any problems with that. I had my meal, and returned to retrieve my suitcase.

Why has London changed to what's described above?
07:26 PM on 08/24/2012
We need to stop electing neanderthals, period. In fact what we really need are a few real people to represent us instead of the jumped up career politicians presently forced upon the electorate through the "safe" seat system. Possibly then Assange would be afforded true justice in this country rather than the present USA led witch hunt over wikileaks.
As far as the "Rape" article is concerned I'm of the opinion you're either too naive to be allowed out unaccompanied and are therefore a vulnerable adult or you're simply another government puppet subjecting the gullible to the party line on this man, media propaganda to convince the dumbed down population that everything government does or has a hand in is within the boundaries of the law, when clearly, to many watching this saga unfold thats simply not the case, either here or with many other issues.
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08:25 AM on 08/24/2012
Assange uncovers the US government's mass murders. Then Assange is accused of rape. Nobody denies that calls for extradition are politically motivated. Surely we should call for the prosecutions of mass murder to take priority. If, after that, there still appears to be a case for Assange to answer, so be it. Whom would you sooner have behind bars, admitted mass murderers or an alleged rapist?

If you don't want a rational discussion about a topic, don't discuss it! I'm sure, most women AND most men have been sexually assaulted. I have. Though I know no rape-victims, I know two victims of attempted rape: one a woman victimized by a man, the other a man victimized by a woman. In my experience, women have less regard for the principle of consent than men do, because they know men rarely report women for sexual offences.

The jury must be sure beyond all reasonable doubt that rape occurred. Rape isn't like murder, where there's usually evidence! By saying what proportion of rapes is reported, you're taking the alleged victim's side, when the law demands that you take the accused's side, unless the accuser's allegation is proven.

To imply rape is a crime committed by men collectively, against women collectively, evinces a sexist mindset that denies the principle that every adult is responsible for his or her crimes. Women are lucky. The law doesn't even recognize that women are capable of rape: if a woman rapes a man, that's just 'sexual assault'.
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07:13 AM on 08/24/2012
Rape is bad but who commits most of these horrible crimes in England? go on have a guess i dare you, fools
10:23 PM on 08/23/2012
One has to wonder about the motivations of these "Rape apologists"
11:13 PM on 08/23/2012
Motivation might just be that some people don't want others criminalised for rape who haven't actually raped. The definition of rape varies between countries and throughout time - so it's very relevant to query this. Suggesting that someone has devious motives for merely questioning the definition is a rather weak way to quash legitimate debate
09:29 PM on 08/23/2012
Jesus Christ, calm down. I, personally, was raped at the age of 15 by two people (who after long battle with judicial system were finally convicted for 5 years each). Therefore I am no stranger to rape and NEVER condone this crime. However, even in my case my opinion is: (1) people can be framed via rape, and there are indeed women who would claim that they've been raped when they weren't, (2) second sexual intercourse without a condom after first consensual one with a condom does not really seem rape to me at all, (3) in light of all the background, allegations against Assange look REALLY fishy. So don't try to use rape as an ultimate argument just because it is brought and stop calling anyone who doubts the allegations and existence of rape in this particular case as Neanderthal. There are a lot of issues around rape that you have mentioned, but it doesn't mean that Assange is guilty. Moreover, people like you - who call this episode a rape (sex without a condom after consensual sex) - undermine the seriousness of ACTUAL RAPE because a lot of people will not look at rape and issue of rapists seriously after seeing what nonsense some crowds consider a rape. And the fact that someone can use rape as framing just gives bad name to real victims.
09:30 PM on 08/23/2012
And also: it happened with me that there was a non-condom intercourse whereas I wanted sex with condom - but I, victim of real rape, NEVER would have equalled these two things and considered this one a rape. Never even crossed my mind to call this rape, to be honest.
08:48 PM on 08/23/2012
The accusations against Assange are beyond dubious when you hear the details of the case and the behaviour of the women before and after. Both are trying to make serious claims in a country with some of the most stringent laws around sexual assault in the world. Ironically, those same laws make the argument for degrees of rape that Akin and his ilk do. They do not help the author's case in the least. Galloway IS a boor, but there's a grain of truth that exists in his statements defending Assange that isn't present in Akin's backward understanding of reproduction and the body's natural processes. Trying to draw a parallel between the two doesn't really work.
08:17 PM on 08/23/2012
To be fair to your male friend Galloway's comments on Assange are completely true. Some of the crimes Assange is wanted for questioning for are not considered crimes in the U.K. Whether or not Assange will ever be charged or arrested for the crimes that are alleged against him doesn't really matter. What is needed is for more victims of rape, who can be men and women, to feel safer to come forward to the authorities.

You said that Galloway's comments reduced you to tears, and I have no doubt about your sincerity, all I ask is for you to explain what part of Galloway's comments caused you so much hurt. Very little of what he said was factually innocent and his tone, to me at least, seemed genuine. Galloway never said that rape was okay or that it wasn't a heinous act. What he did say was that what happened to these women, if true, do not constitute as rape.

Rape is a very serious and powerful word. If was start calling sex without a condom for example "Rape" then that diminishes the real and horrible meaning of that word.
09:13 PM on 08/23/2012
"Galloway never said that rape was okay or that it wasn't a heinous act. What he did say was that what happened to these women, if true, do not constitute as rape."

Except that it does. A woman agreed to sex ONLY with a condom. Therefore she had not given consent for what happened to her. Non-consensual sex = rape. End of story. Sex with someone who is asleep = non-consensual sex. End of story.
Galloway - and anyone else who questions, queries, fudges or otherwise muddies the issue around consent, what it means, and how it relates to whether something is rape or not, really needs to think long and hard before they open their mouth.
09:37 PM on 08/23/2012
There was a post on slate.com from a woman who would have consensual sex slightly drunken with her own fiancee (and then husband) and then in the morning would think that he is molested her because she consented when she was drunk. Now, there are surely a lot of cases when a victim is raped after being made drunk on purpose however some people (Iike this woman) take it a step too far and make the case ridiculous.

Same here. Having sex without a condom when woman wants it with a condom is not good of course, but to call it a rape - this is complete overkill. With the same logic we can get to the point that any change of sexual position during intercourse should be agreed beforehand (preferably in writing) because what if woman says that she agreed only to missionary position? Or without the light? God forbid to do anything different later on!

P.S. I am a woman and as I described in a different comment to this post, I have been raped (for real).
06:13 AM on 08/25/2012
"A woman agreed to sex ONLY with a condom. Therefore she had not given consent for what happened to her. Non-consensual sex = rape. End of story. Sex with someone who is asleep = non-consensual sex. End of story."

By this logic if the women had told her boyfriend to take out the trash as a precondition to sex and he in fact did not, then she could claim she was raped. The whole notion of conditional consent needs to be thrown out. You consent or you don't. Yes to sex or no to sex. END OF STORY!
08:15 AM on 08/23/2012
I think you've also stumbled onto another problem here with your story about the Tube incident; the fact that passers-by tend to mind their own business, even while a woman is being assaulted right in front of them. Even if they believed that you were someone's drunk girlfriend, does that change the, and I would use the word duty here, to intervene? No. It is not just the attitude of not taking rape seriously, as exemplified by Mr. Assange, Mr. Galloway and your friend, which is the problem. It is also that, being so content with our lives as well as the rule of the law and relying entirely on the police to do what the name suggests. The truth is that we have somehow created a society where people think that it is possible for them to do such things, safe in the knowledge that there will be no consequences. That has to change.
06:03 AM on 08/23/2012
Women are sensitive rape, because their whole lives they are treated like pieces of meat, constantly under a perceived and sometimes real threat. That is understandable. But what they must understand is that this fear creates a whole lot of irrationality which compromises their ability to be discerning about the issue. Until they grow up and accept this basic fact, which is obvious to most onlookers, they will remain forever "storming out of dinner parties, with tears running down their faces."
08:30 AM on 08/23/2012
I'm surprised no-one has challenged this extremely patronising statement. Do you honestly expect the author, who has faced sexual assault multiple times, to not be emotionally affected by a conversation that defended comments were likely said for the sake of publicity? It compromises their ability to be discerning about the issue? What is there to discern? Rape is abhorrent. What Julian Assange is accused of is legally rape. There is no question about that. He should face his accusers, not that it will matter, since Ecuadorian political asylum brings him closer to extradition to the US than a trail in Sweden ever would.
11:46 AM on 08/23/2012
"I'm so upset men (because it's always men because they don't get the fear because they are much less likely to be raped) say that rape isn't rape rape that I cry. But it's my fault that they don't understand the fear of being raped...because I mention people being raped a lot and that makes them not understand it. So I should grow up and stop crying because men don't understand how rape is always rape because they don't listen to me because I'm so upset about it and won't stop talking about it."
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03:48 AM on 08/23/2012
Well, as the Swedes only want to question Assange (just not enough to put a plod on a plane to get the job done) - prosecution is a long, long way away.
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09:36 PM on 08/22/2012
Hot damn, girlfriend! We need more women willing to not just speak out but scream, yell and get loud about it. I would never wish a sexual assault on anyone but sometimes, in my anger at being dismissed and marginalized by men on high, I wonder- if they were raped, held down, penetrated against their will, broken and violated in a part they almost didn't know existed and in a way that tore apart far more than the physical- would the thought of there being a difference or levels or kinds of rape even cross their minds?
11:15 PM on 08/22/2012
"I wonder- if they were raped, held down, penetrated against their will, broken and violated in a part they almost didn't know existed and in a way that tore apart far more than the physical- would the thought of there being a difference or levels or kinds of rape even cross their minds?"

Are you unaware of the fact that male rape victims do exist? Your comment is pretty damn misandric and it's exactly why I think these appeals to emotion are damaging. If a man said something like that about women we would know there was something wrong with him and I think even when a women says it about a man there is something wrong with her.

There are differences in rape, in reality and under the law. We don't have to play dumb to create slogans like "rape is rape" when we all know sex without consent can occur under a wide variety of conditions with varying degrees of harm being done to the victim like any other crime of violence. We even define murder in varying degrees because context matters.
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08:32 AM on 08/24/2012
The sick thing is, in England and in apparently most other jurisdictions, it is legally impossible for a woman to commit rape.
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03:45 AM on 08/23/2012
It happens. It's called prison. But do they come out any more empathic?
09:17 PM on 08/22/2012
I do tire of these appeals to emotion that are meant to override all reasoning and send everyone into a state of mass hysteria. I don't like it because the hysteria itself can be harmful to innocent people. When we pretend that we live in a society where every man should be held in suspicion as a sexual predator we are doing men a injustice. First of all we should recognize that rapist are a tiny percentage of men. Second we should recognize that some rapist (albeit a minority) are women.

We should honestly deal with the reality of false rape claims that are in part driven by hysteria. When we keep lowering the bar for what we call rape we increase the likelihood of illegitimate claims. What is legitimate rape? Sexual penetration without consent is rape. When we start accusing people of rape who received consent things get very complicated. The Assange case was about him not using a condom (as she requested) with a consensual partner making it a questionable charge. Conditional consent should not be considered non consent if the conditions are not met for something like sex.

I dislike that the author conflates groping with rape. Someone touching your butt is not on par with rape and if that were the case a great many women could be accused of sexual assault by men. I for one have been sexually touched by women without permission on many occasions.
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08:35 AM on 08/24/2012
Yeah, exactly. I've been sexually assaulted by women many times (but not once by a man), and I'm not even particularly handsome! In my experience, few women really seek consent: especially when they're drunk, they tend to assume that any man they fancy will accept their (often forceful) advances. Most men are careful about seeking consent.