The 2011 census results were interesting, weren't they? The rising trend of atheism was a key finding, with 25.1% now saying that we have "no religion" versus 14.8% of us in 2001. As ever, I'm completely on trend, having been an atheist for almost thirty years.
A mistake that many people make is to imagine that atheists are shallow materialists, because, logically, if you don't believe that an old man in the sky sees your every misdemeanour and punishes you accordingly, then why would you adhere to any moral code all? St Paul said, quoting Ecclesiastes: 'If the dead are not raised, "Let us eat and drink, for tomorrow we die."' In fact, many of the atheists I've met are thoughtful, moral and even spiritual people; a real force for good.
I've heard spirituality defined as 'the need to connect with something greater than ourselves'. For some people, that greater thing is nature, for others, community, and for a third group, it is personified as a deity. Jedi Knights (390,000 in the 2001 census there were; data for 2011, find I cannot) would presumably call it the Force.
It seems to me that every religion has two major strands: a pile of aggregated mythology that is cult-specific and reaches from creation myths to the ultimate fate of the 'soul'; and a core of compassionate altruism and self-knowledge that helps us live with each other and with ourselves. The second strand I count as spirituality and I am all for it. I've learnt a little bit of it from other people, from my own reading, from management courses and psychometric tests, from reading Buddhist texts and books by Karen Armstrong... all sorts of sources, and I am still a beginner. I'm not saying that I apply compassion and self-knowledge easily or well.
I make mistakes, although nobody punishes me but myself. But I have seen many committed Christians whose morals, attitudes, words and actions are so far from their avowed ideals that they have made me disbelieve in their God, who obviously is not helping them to live any kind of good life. I suspect many other people in this country feel the same, which is a partial explanation for a quarter of us having no religion.
If I had to clothe that spirituality in my own mumbo-jumbo, I could say that there is some sense in a Pagan world view. There really isn't anything much more deserving of our reverence than the sun, the stars, the moon, the earth - they give us our life and a sense of awe. I am pretty sure they weren't created by a god or goddess, but there they are, sustaining us, and its wonderful even if it isn't purposeful. It's no use praying to them though, as I don't think they have the capacity to listen or act on our behalf.
It stops you in your tracks, sometimes, being an atheist. You realise that there is no higher power for good, or evil, in this world, and that, excepting natural disasters, that it is down to us humans to do all the nice or nasty things that are ever going to happen. The fact that so many people do choose to do some good in the world, even though they have no religion, or only a nominal one, is thrilling. I expect we do it because it actually makes us feel good. Maybe because we are a successful tribe of social monkeys, our brains are wired that way.
The implication of St Paul's letter to the Christians at Corinth, quoted above, is that if we don't believe in God, an afterlife, and a reward in heaven or an eternity in hell, then we can do what we like, with impunity. For religious people, it's best to keep the rules just in case. It's a belief system underpinned by the ultimate threat. But when an atheist does a good thing, he or she does so for its own sake, not for any harp lessons in heaven. That's why I think atheists are some of the most spiritual people I know.
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I dont believe in God or Jesus son of God, but do believe there is good and bad places when we die,
People are good and bad and in the spirit world there is good places and bad places, but no God,
Foreget God, forget Jesus, it's all fiction,
I'm now in my 40s and have seen spirits, only one spirit spoke to me, my great Nan,
Warning me about my anticks when I was a teenager,
Ever since that incounter I've seen 3 more, 4 in all, only people who have seen spirits will believe in the spirit world. my great Nan came to me why'll I was in bed one night, the rest have just appeared and then disapeared, you turn round and their there, then you blink and their gon.
The law is in place and it is what matters not a guidance/code written in a book of uncertain origin, whose interpretation is changing and lagging over time and due to unaccountable self-elected old guy.
Chesterton's prediction has rather come true, as illustrated by the above article. Religion at least provides some kind of framework for considering metaphysical and moral questions. That framework is usually more substantial, worked-out and flexible than the uninitiated imagine. Of course, some considerable work needs to be put in. In the end it's impossible or unsatisfying to avoid such questions and religion provides a space for their exploration and shows paths that others have followed. There's also something to be said for connecting with and participating in your own cultural traditions. I suppose the main advantage of DIY is you can make your system of belief as lightweight, as partial, and as internally inconsistent as you like.
There's an interesting TED Talk given by the atheist philosopher, Alaine de Botton, in which he tries to correct what he concedes are the spiritual deficiencies of Atheism by proposing a new system, which he call Atheism 2.0. (search for 'atheism' on TED.com). He ends up in territory that most religious people would find entirely familiar. I'm not sure he fully understands that if you take any philosophical system and add a metaphysical aspect, what you end up with is religion. What Alaine de Botton mostly reveals is how little he knows what religion actually is, even though he defines himself antithetically in relation to it.
You can certainly be ethical and morally engaged without any spiritual belief, but to be spiritual means that you accept that their is metaphysical awareness.
There are lots of spiritual people who do not practice any organised religion. Bit of a stretch to call them atheists, though.
surely requires belief in belief. As an atheist already has faith, that they’re in possession of the
all-knowing faculty. Which only an entity, that they know for certain doesn’t exist, would possess.
“logically, if you don't believe that an old man in the sky sees your every misdemeanour and punishes you accordingly, then”
said logic could contain an unexplained presumption. That original sin is a reality, and thus the default setting.
“why would you adhere to any moral code all?”
Might it be the application of a more logical logic? While the avoidance of punishment might be one incentive. Isn’t seeking more efficient ways rather than accepting inefficient ones, also a motivation?
"Let us eat and drink, for tomorrow we die."
Just as those before us did? Without so much as a thought, as to what might follow.
“the need to connect with something greater than ourselves”
has already been accomplished, on our behalf. Without it, where would any of us be? Apart from grovelling in the dirt.
“Jedi Knights”
imagination-fuelled days.
“every religion has two major strands”
The stick and the carrot. Until the donkey figures it out, those may well do the trick.
“many committed Christians”
join for the fringe benefits? If a teacher doesn’t know their subject, how can they make sense of it to someone else? When two or more different views of supposedly the same scene are reported, there must be questions concerning what’s being looked at.
For me, there is enough beauty in the physical world for me to worship, without having to worry about the metaphysical. Finding my way through this world might be easier with a divine handbook, but isn't it more fun not to know and to work it out by referrencing as many handbooks as possible?
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All very laughable, but so many people have swallowed it without a second thought.