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What is This Nonsense About Men Conceiving Babies!

Posted: 9/03/2012 23:00

It is about time that this current tabloid sensationalism claiming a spate of men are having babies, stopped. It is misleading, it is untrue.

As far as I have read every one of them is someone who has been born female, and then chosen to undergo various treatments to effect a sex-change to become a 'man'.

Each of the individuals concerned have been only part way through the process, and in several cases ceased to take the hormone treatment so that the process, at least in part, is reversed; deliberately so in order to have the baby: in other words their body was deliberately manipulated to stall the masculinisation and to strengthen and restore their body's female nature.

There was no operation to remove the female sex organs, even though there might have been a process being undergone to create a phallus as a part of their body. They still had their ovaries and uterus and vagina: they were biologically still women. Whatever outward appearance they may have exhibited that might have made them visually appear to be masculine, the fact remains they were still women.

Did they have functioning testicles? No. Did they still have functioning ovaries? Yes.

If they had been born hermaphrodite (which happens not infrequently in nature), then there might have been some real story, although it really would not be that sensational. A fair few people are born hermaphrodite and are operated upon at birth to decide their gender one way or the other, as appears most apt in each case.

Many hermaphrodites are born without it being obvious and might even spend most of their lives without themselves or anyone else being aware of the fact that they carry both male and female gonads. Usually only one set of gonads is in a location that makes them functional, i.e. accessible; the other set is usually isolated deep within the body. However it can thus lead to either a clear dominant gender identity in their body, or a mixture of both male and female identities.

Had these 'men' through the sex-change process they were undergoing, achieved fully functioning testicles (unlikely as this is), and had had their ovaries removed, then there might have been grounds for a story. Perhaps the uterus might have been left in situ, as any man who became pregnant would have to have some cavity that acts as a uterus, no matter how make-shift.

There is no additional 'miracle' in these pregnancies, other than the miracle that conception and birth and life is anyway. There may be a personal miracle for the individuals concerned, because they thought they had lost the ability to conceive as a result of the sex-change treatments they had chosen to have.

But as it is, these 'men' were fully biological females, whatever their preferred gender and gender ambition: it is a 'none' story.

 
 
 
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01:33 AM on 03/13/2012
What is this nonsense about posting bigotted columns on huffpo?
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10:33 AM on 03/13/2012
What is it about the column that you disagree with?

Calling it 'bigoted' doesn't really add much to the discussion.

The author is basically chiding the newspapers for introducing sensational headlines that are obviously incorrect and fly in the face of reason.
02:53 PM on 03/29/2012
Regardless of how they got to be where they are, those men having the babies are men. No one said "XY MALE HAS BABY" right?
02:52 PM on 03/29/2012
Exactly.
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12:40 AM on 03/13/2012
"...But as it is, these 'men' were fully biological females, whatever their preferred gender and gender ambition: it is a 'none' story...."

Kind of sums it up, don't you think?
07:51 AM on 03/12/2012
this is shockingly bad writing, As a trans/intersex person I find some of your statements fictional.

Peter Martindale

Human Rights Activist

does this impressive title come with a duty to report accurately?
06:24 PM on 03/10/2012
Among many egregious statements:
"A fair few people are born hermaphrodite (sic) and are operated upon at birth to decide their gender one way or the other, as appears most apt in each case."
The stigmatising term 'hermaphrodite' is no longer used to describe human beings, usually replaced by 'intersex'. In the strict biological sense hermaphroditism could only apply to a person in whom two fertilised ovum had fused together, vanishingly rare occurrence.
Also unless health is likely to be endangered few sensible specialists should recommend surgery until the individual concerned sold enough to make that decision. It's reprehensible to assume their gender should be decided at birth or that a surgeon has the right to decide what is most 'apt'.

The Huff Post has published some well-informed and sensible articles about trans issues recently ... viz Diane Ehrensaft on trans children. Why was this highly insensitive article by somebody with no specialist knowledge thought suitable for publication? It's crass on the issue of transgender and ignorant about intersex.

The only thing I'd agree with Mr Martindale on is these occurrences should not be news. They are private matters for the individuals concerned whose right to privacy and family life should be respected. Mr Martindale is billed as a 'human rights activist' yet succeeds in trashing these people's human rights and personal autonomy which should be the only issue. His prurient discussion of private medical histories has no relevance to any human rights argument whatsoever.
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10:26 PM on 03/13/2012
SarahTMW, you object to my discussing these individuals and say it is invasion of their privacy, yet apparently it is they who went to the media to publicise details of their intimate biology and "medical histories". It is they who have exercised their human right to publicly discuss themselves – yet you claim, that by commenting on the facts they have chosen to publicise, that I am trashing their human rights: you are being illogical. Further, there is nothing disrespectful in being termed a hermaphrodite. Political correctness however, deprives people of the acceptance of self and pride in being, by making them ashamed of accepted terms and references. You have used a good example with ‘intersex’; how inane compared with hermaphrodite, and so difficult to have pride in. It is another example of politically correct nonsense. If they choose to term themselves intersex, fine, but they cannot object to the correct scientific term. There is no insensitivity in the comment, to be clear, before you choose to make it so.
09:29 AM on 03/14/2012
Mr Martingdale, In the cases of trans men I know of who've born children, including Thomas Beattie, all were harassed by the media and their identities either made public without their consent or threatened to be made public with/without 'their side of the story'. You are beyond naive if unaware how common this approach is by the tabloid press. Threatened with having their identities exposed, they were effectively blackmailed into co-operating in hope the story would be more rather than less positive. None in UK were aware theoretical protections afforded by the PCC Editor's Code re: harassment, privacy, children and discrimination. Once they agree to speak, they effectively lose these protections due to ineffectiveness of the PCC after the fact. I'm appalled by the unacknowledged white male privilege which by which you claim to be a 'human rights activist' and then assert people must accept 'correct scientific terms', unilaterally imposed on them. Apart from the fact that scientific knowledge is not fixed and most experts now disagree that 'hermaphrodite' is the correct term for intersex humans either on biological or socially acceptable grounds, how dare you assert that another human being should accept a term of your choice because you think any other is 'inane'. You don't appear to have a basic understanding of human rights. How can you possibly claim there's 'no insensitivity' when intersex people feel themselves objectified and humiliated by the use of such a term. Have you ever even met an intersex person?
12:48 PM on 03/10/2012
Biology seems like a far more minor detail to me that it is to you. If someone presents themselves as male and considers themselves male then as far as I am concerned they are male. It doesn't matter what they have in their pants. I don't presume to impose another definition on someone who defines themselves according to what they feel they are.
04:11 PM on 03/10/2012
What a load of tripe, I could present all I like its not going to make me a woman and its definitely not going to make me a good looking one either, all this messing about with nature is leaving us with a nation of throwbacks and mentally unstable wimps. Have your rights, be gay but you'll remain whatever your birth blessed you as.
04:25 PM on 03/10/2012
You win Teh Internetz, Sickofpoliticians2! A classic combination of not knowing anything, and not being afraid to say so. Come to think of it, you can share the prize with the author of this poorly-researched and opinionated article. Meh.