David Cameron Pledges Zero Tolerance Approach To Gangs As He Clashes With Police Over 'Supercop'

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Huffington Post UK   Dina Rickman First Posted: 14/08/11 09:02 BST Updated: 13/10/11 11:12 BST

David Cameron has vowed a new "zero tolerance" attitude to gangs as opposition towards his appointment of US Supercop Bill Bratton grows.

In his first interview since the UK suffered four nights of rioting he told the Sunday Telegraph there was a simple answer to the violence and pledged to crackdown on crime: “I think there is a danger sometimes of people seeking very, very complicated answers when there are quite simple [explanations] … these people who were nicking televisions were not complaining about the reform of the education maintenance allowance or tuition fees.

“They were nicking televisions because they wanted a television and they weren’t prepared to save up and get it like normal people.”

His comments came as Sir Hugh Orde, the president of the Association of Chief Police Officers told the Independent on Sunday he advocated a different approach: "I am not sure I want to learn about gangs from an area of America that has 400 of them. It seems to me, if you've got 400 gangs, then you're not being very effective. If you look at the style of policing in the States, and their levels of violence, they are so fundamentally different from here."

The prime minister told the Sunday Telegraph he still plans to press ahead with cuts to police budgets and plans for elected police commissioners.

But a ComRes poll for the Independent on Sunday/Sunday Mirror showed 70% of Britons thought it was time to reverse police cuts in London.

Half of those surveyed said they believed government cuts were helping fuel the rioters.

Labour's Yvette Cooper also condemned the move saying: "Promising the police will take a zero tolerance approach to street crime at the same time as cutting the officers they need to do the job is not leadership.

"Ten years ago, action by the police, the Labour government, communities, councils and the courts did bring street crime right down from unacceptable levels. But that was done through partnership with the police and involved more and more officers on the beat.

"Cutting 16,000 police officers will do nothing to combat gangs and street crime and increases the risks to law and order. The Prime Minister and Home Secretary will have no credibility with belated promises on crime as long as they are committed to such big cuts to policing. If they want to get serious on crime they need to rethink their plans now."

The metropolitan police has now arrested 1,401 people in connection with the rioting and 808 of these have been charged. Acting commissioner Tim Goodwin has predicted 3,000 people could be charged as the investigation into the disorder continues.

The news comes as two suspects prepare to appear in court over the murder of three men in Birmingham on Tuesday evening.

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SPacific
Get a clue, then get a life
10:40 PM on 08/16/2011
Conservatives are reaping what they sow......Cutting government programs and services are recipes for disaster......They are as much responsible for the mayhem as the rioters....
01:34 PM on 08/16/2011
Cameron's hands are dirty over the Murdoch NOTW scandal. Therefore, he is equally guilty of crimes against others.
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SPacific
Get a clue, then get a life
10:42 PM on 08/16/2011
I'll bet he's glad that the riots have taken the Murdoch story off the front page.....Right out of the Bush playbook.....
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leorangerie
07:13 AM on 08/16/2011
When it comes to looters, hit hard, then HARDER. And the problem will ratchet down by 90%. Sad, but true.
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stargazer13
To Love One Is To Love All
08:24 PM on 08/15/2011
can ?

law makers pass laws !

when there be no confidence in them to make the right choices !!

I mean really ?
02:09 AM on 08/16/2011
That is a dangerous double bind. Where do we go from here ? Heres my take on the UK anti-social youth problem http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/brigitte-sesu-tilleygyado/sick-society-vs-big-socie_b_926652.html
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stargazer13
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08:20 PM on 08/15/2011
US Supercop Bill Bratton

Rut !!! Roe !!!

exporting our violence to a country near you !

now what does the Super Congress Think?

same as this countries leaders !
the world is in flux !
the people are hungry and tired in need of shelter from the harsh elements

we have the wealth we just choose to spend it unwisely :(
03:51 PM on 08/15/2011
It's somewhat ironic that the man who was so close to NOTW wants to present himself as a paragon of virtue.

Your Police Serivce is corrupt[ible] and your Politicians are padding their Expense Reports.

The damage done, while unfortunate, is nothing compared to effects of all those Politicians and Policemen who were in bed with the Murdoch Empire. How many of them were “children without fathers" or "victims" of other social ills?

The problem with most societies is that criminality is usually defined by race or class, and not by its overall effect on society. Who is more dangerous to the UK, these rioters or the corrupt Politicians and Policemen? When people see their Leaders breaking the law and simply walking away, then the tendency is to see themselves as equally priveledged.

Most people are only as moral as their options. You are simply seeing what happens when you create a Kleptocracy.
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Lex Anton
Freedom doesn't exist in America.
02:43 PM on 08/15/2011
Cameron is asking for it.
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07:29 AM on 08/15/2011
Forgot to mention, that's a real ominous photograph
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07:24 AM on 08/15/2011
Mr. Prime Minister, really? You think this is really due to English citizens' uncontrollable lust for television, coupled with a refusal to pay for it? That's it? I guess it would be cheaper then to just issue vouchers for discounts on TVs, and save everyone the trouble.
Demeaning and diminishing the 'problem' is just not going to help. Funds were cut-it's unclear exactly how much, but, apparently enough to set this off. The fuel? Hatred of increasingly aggressive and confrontatory police tactics has got to be a part of the answer. I heard a credible report state that it was the beatdown of a sixteen year old girl who wouldn't stop berating the police that really set it off. Not an arrest, but a BEATDOWN. Joblessness and an increasing and general lack of hope. Now that the spell of that good witch, Maggie Thatcher, has worn off, England has some realities to face. But then, don't we all?
03:36 AM on 08/15/2011
Taking Cameron's comment '. . . everyone deserves a second chance' and applying it wider than to Coulson; I feel 80% of rioters became caught up in 'something' and will feel remorse - especially after witnessing the 'clean-up' by their own community. And, those showing remorse should be 'forgiven' their behaviour, not suffer the stigma of jail/eviction over a moment of madness. Afterwards, these individuals should assist in rebuilding. Would a society offering such compassion/understanding be rewarded with wrongdoers having feelings of gratitude followed by a feelings of belonging and concomitant reinvestment within society? Is this not what we all want? But, the 'extreme' sentencing that is being 'dished out' is applauded by those in society who fail to care about anyone other than themselves. One TV debate produced an individual outraged at being knocked off his bike and having his bike stolen yet was unmoved by people dying at the hands of gangs or under suspicious circumstances - dignity/bicycle were much more important to him! Being so self-centered, this cyclist and his ilk are as much to blame for the 'happening' as those who became caught up in it. With the Super cop idea and the zero tolerance of lower-class crime while cutting police budgets and paying lip service to widespread crime within higher echelons of society Cameron is employing doublespeak. Who needs a slippery PR Man as PM? We need someone who places country before ideology and vote winning slogans.
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MyTake
Release the Hydrogen Economy now!
11:19 PM on 08/14/2011
No, please tell me the U.S. didn't send Blackwater security types over to London to coach them on how to control gangs!

While I cannot condone random violence and property destruction, regardless of cause, if those gangs where to CONFRONT The House of Bilderberg members, The Chatham House members and The Pratt House members who control the politics of Europe and The U.S., then I would say; GO FOR IT!

For it those INTERLOCKED groups of Wealthy and Corporate elites who planned and caused the 2008 financial collapse and this world wide unemployment.

They need to be IDENTIFIED and DRAWN OUT into the PUBLIC DOMAIN and CONFRONTED by large protests.

If any cares not to believe these statements, then look over this list of 4000+ elites assembled at The Pratt House (David Rockefeller, Chairman Emeritus) that directly control your politicians and government: http://www.scribd.com/doc/45752627/Council-on-Foreign-Relations-Chart .

And when Zbigniew Brzezinki gave a speech to The Chatham House elites and stated: It is easier to K*LL A MILLION PEOPLE than it is to CONTROL THEM, then the population should react very quickly.
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GoldwaterKid
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11:34 PM on 08/14/2011
Looking at international changes shows most of us, we must look at new information, remember history, and support each other in our local communities.
12:35 AM on 08/15/2011
I agree comrade, the fist of right wing extremism is choking the life out of the working classes, Chuckie ar la !
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Gav Lafreniere
10:16 PM on 08/14/2011
I think we should actually hold mothers more accountable (for the riots) for not working hard enough to send their children to Eton.
12:45 AM on 08/15/2011
Even if these people had the money to go to Eaton they would undoubtedly face a resistance from the Governors of the school. Even the students who knew how to spell Eaton correctly.
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Gav Lafreniere
02:55 AM on 08/15/2011
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08:27 PM on 08/14/2011
Zero Tolerance.

Hmmm.

I can see where the people are getting to that very point all over the world ; against corrupt politics and an oppressive society.
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07:21 PM on 08/14/2011
Was Bratton made CEO at Kroll to clean up their image? I read that they hacked for a client in Brazil. Why they haven't fallen pray to the Corrupt Foreign Practices Act is a Q more appropriate for Bratton. That very act is presently being hacked to death by Republicans politicians, and Dems fond of political favors, too, just in time to save Murdoch.

Kroll's into everything anyone might want to run a private army, but they are backing out of what they anticipate to be a shinking market in war. Intelligence is their specialty. Can Bratton clean up the police force or is he really there to clean up Cameron's image? Bratton will advise a larger, more diversified force. Cameron insists on shrinking it. So, I think Bratton's there to protect Cameron, not the public. What a slick and self serving thing to do. Hire a cop to protect you while enforcing a policy sure to fail the people.
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GoldwaterKid
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11:37 PM on 08/14/2011
Bratton came to Los Angeles, California and helped.
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07:07 PM on 08/14/2011
How about zero tolerance for corrupt politicians;
Like Michael Gove, who confused one of his houses with another of his houses in order to avail himself of £7,000 of the taxpayers’ money.
Or Hazel Blears, who forgot which house she lived in, and benefited to the tune of £18,000.
But, of course, this is different. This is just understandable confusion over the rules of how many houses you are meant to have as an MP. This doesn’t show the naked greed of people stealing plasma tellies.
Unless you’re Gerald Kaufman, who broke parliamentary rules to get £8,000 worth of 40-inch, flat screen TV out of the taxpayer.
Or Ed Vaizey, who got £2,000 in antique furniture ‘delivered to the wrong address’. Which is fortunate, because had that been the right address, that would have been fraud.
Or Jeremy Hunt, who broke the rules to the tune of almost £22,000. But it’s all right, because he agreed to pay half of the money back. Not the full amount, it would be absurd to expect him to pay back the entire sum that he was not entitled. In any other field, what might have been considered embezzlement of £22,000 is overlooked.
Then we have the Met Police, two of its senior officers have had to resign in the last six weeks amid suspicions of widespread corruption. And Andy Hayman, who went for champagne dinners with those he was meant to be investigating, and then joined the company on leaving the Met.