Police Need Riot Tactics Guidance, Theresa May Says

Theresa May

Huffington Post UK   First Posted: 16/08/11 07:28 BST Updated: 15/10/11 11:12 BST

Last week’s riots have made the case for police reform “more urgent than ever”, Theresa May said in a speech on Tuesday.

May was adamant that police cuts could still go ahead but she said following the events she would ask for officers to be given more guidance on public order policing.

“The police need strong enforceable powers to help them deal with anti social behavior, criminality, gangs and disorder”, she said.

After a week when tension between officers and ministers in the wake of riots, May denied that asking questions about police tactics were an attack on officers, saying: "When we ask questions about the success of a policing operation or ask how we can make the police more effective, more efficient or more accountable to the public - this is not an attack on the men and women of the police.

"One thing is clear: the experience of the last 10 days makes the case for police reform more urgent than ever.”

The home secretary said she had written to her majesty’s chief inspectorate of constabulary, Sir Denis O'Connor, to ask for guidelines.

“Too often in the past the police have been damned if they do and damned if they don’t… As long as you act within reason and the law, I will never damn you if you do”, May promised police.

She said police could get more powers "to impose a general curfew in a particular area" as part of the response to the disorder.

The home secretary said police officers were owed “a debt of gratitude” for their role in calming the disorder that spread to cities across England.

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Last week’s riots have made the case for police reform “more urgent than ever”, Theresa May said in a speech on Tuesday. May was adamant that police cuts could still go ahead but she said fol...
Last week’s riots have made the case for police reform “more urgent than ever”, Theresa May said in a speech on Tuesday. May was adamant that police cuts could still go ahead but she said fol...
 
 
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11:08 AM on 08/17/2011
"Police Need Riot Tactics Guidance, Theresa May Says"
Don’t we in fact, all need leaders Theresa? Preferably ones who when a problem is pointed out to them way in advance of it developing into a major conflagration, respond rationally. Rather than simply adopting the stone wall defence.

"When we ask questions about the success of a policing operation"
It will be the measure of a miracle recovery. The saints be praised. When we blank questions regarding the public undertaking investigations for themselves. Because the force has effectively evaporated. We know we are on the swift and slippery decent into anarchy.

"guidance on public order policing"
1. If you give them (the criminal element) an inch they will take a mile.
2. Which part or parts of 1. Do you need explained?
Try this: An organisation that is being dismantled, has no incentive to prove those dismantling it correct.

"I will never damn you if you do"
Though frankly, my dears, I don’t give a damn. (See the Shires for further damning details)

"curfew"
Consecutive 24/7 ones May work.

"The home secretary said police officers were owed a debt of gratitude"
To be paid out of those monies extorted from the public via their community charge contributions, for a service that is no longer available presumably.
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newshoundmama
My bite's worse than my bark
04:09 AM on 08/17/2011
One way to help them become more effective may be to get rid of a criminal police culture that lives in the pocket of Rupert Murdoch. . . or is that the criminal political culture that lives in the pocket of Rupert Murdoch? Hmmm, . . .it was . . .police? . . .politicians?. . .wait, don't tell me. . .it's coming to me. . .Oh YEAH !!! That's right ! It's BOTH of them! Both are also sadly lacking in any of the qualities that should be a given for those who presume to hold a position of leadership and authority in a society.
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Blockem1
When will our politicians start putting policies
06:05 PM on 08/16/2011
It must sicken the police to be told by May , your going receive guidance , they may have got it wrong in London but the last thing they need is to be told by politicians who dont have the slightest clue or experience of dealing with the underclasses is your are going to receive guidance , just exactly how wide a rift between the police do they want to create. So hear we are going into the Olympics with massive social unrest in this country and our dishonest ,miss leading, privileged and clueless millionaire politicians are managing to massively fall out with the very key people we need to restore law and order in a fair and responsible way ..... How stupid are they .
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MamaJoe
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04:45 PM on 08/16/2011
So, let's get this straight, the cuts to go ahead. The police will get " Riot Tactics Guidance" does that mean that they will be told how to do the job of three, when there is only one available?

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07:38 PM on 08/16/2011
Almost...
Let's get this even straighter:
The cuts go ahead.
Theresa May (jostling for position to become Iron Lady Mk II) is seen to "defy" the PM by blocking Bratton's appointment and is seen to nbe "tough" on expenditure.
Cameron (knowing he wont be re-elected) gets his man anyway (in an "advisory" capacity).
Bratton (who never wanted the Met top job in the first place) gets a cushy contract for his "security" company Kroll Associates.
Everyone happy?
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MamaJoe
Age is a high price to pay for maturity.
12:16 AM on 08/17/2011
quote[Theresa May (jostling for position to become Iron Lady Mk II)]unquote

God forbid, that's ONE path best never trodden again.
04:18 PM on 08/16/2011
Police cuts no doubt led to police being less than enthusiastic about risking their lives. What with all the criticism police come under trying to do the impossible, enforce the law in increasingly violent urban settings while being told to not use excessive force and behave in a politically correct fashion, why would the government expect them to rush out there and defend a system that is plowing them under with layoffs, austerity measures, etc. on top of all that?
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Kassandra
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04:00 PM on 08/16/2011
Maybe they should look in the mirror when they say "anti-social" behavior
02:59 PM on 08/16/2011
Maybe police cuts should be those that are accused of taking money from the media for access, stories and possibly a cover up. Ethical behavior of the police, media, politicians and the wealthy are in question. People have lost trust in their institutions.
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01:08 PM on 08/16/2011
Can anyone tell me why our police forces are using B.M.W.s Surely they could save a fortune by buying Ford or Vauxhalls the latter are made here (Artra) so would create U.K. jobs instead of German. When viewing the riots on t.v. all I could see were burning B.M.W. police cars.
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Paul Houston
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04:50 PM on 08/16/2011
Astras are no longer made in the UK, as for using BMWs the police probably get a better deal and the resale value is higher when they sell them off after service (hence the reason they are silver now)
05:06 PM on 08/16/2011
Astras are made at Ellsmere Port Cheshire. The last time I looked that was in England .U.K. Google it.
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Ramkshrestha
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12:13 PM on 08/16/2011
Yes polise issue is one of the most important issues, but here the question not only about police.
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floodberg
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06:41 PM on 08/16/2011
Wow, Krule, that link was as honest about Bratton as I could envision. You might want to hint to someone at RMIGlobal to do a little investigating on what Bratton as CEO of Kroll (division of Altegrity) actually does for all those governments and companies when it 'contextually data mines,' etc.  (I did that, and posted it on HP: it's an agency of digital spooks.)  Bratton may be 'advising' right now (no word on his compensation), but I can guarantee that Bratton/Kroll/Altegrity doesn't do 'charity work' without getting a nice, heft contract.  And what is involved in that contract is what really scares me...
10:31 AM on 08/20/2011
I'm having difficulty replying for some 'strange' reason ;-)
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floodberg
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06:44 PM on 08/16/2011
Forgot to add faved, and look at Bratton's Commander of the British Empire (awarded by QE2, 2009); all I could find is that he consulted with Brit police post 911, and there's a connection to Ireland...LAPD press release online.  http://www.majorcitieschiefs.org/pdf/news/nr09444rh_bratton_honored_by_queen_elizabeth_ii.pdf
04:47 PM on 08/17/2011
They're ALL connected ;-)
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carl cid inting
There are no tyrants where there are no slaves
10:31 AM on 08/16/2011
By emphasizing punishment and police tactics, rather than look at the causes, the Cameron government is simply prevaricating. I have no doubt that irresponsibility, selfishness and moral turpitude need to be addressed. And so do police tactics. But let's not oversimplify and evade the real issues.

If the Cameron government were serious about improvements to British society, instead of accusingly pointing out its shortcomings, they would abandon their ruinous programs of austerity. Those policies are foolish in the face of a deflating economy and high unemployment. Those policies are dead wrong and they are inflicting pain and harm to the nation.

We can blame a dysfunctional society until we are blue in the face, but policies that cut the budget for education, policies that increase university tuition, policies that throttle economic growth and increase the rate of unemployment, will do nothing to mitigate that situation. They will only alienate the youth because of fewer opportunities and stifle any hope for a better future.

We need more hope, we need more opportunities. Not a scolding or a lecture.
11:44 AM on 08/16/2011
fanned & fav'd carl . . . we need more job creation and less cuts . . people need hope and that comes with job creation and education. . not more cuts . . . and imported American ideas . . . the last thing we should want to become like is America
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floodberg
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07:11 PM on 08/16/2011
Very nicely done, Carl cid inting, and faved.  The economics are deadly.  The US and UK are very similar now; wealth is being consolidated quickly in the upper 2% by moving it very quickly out of the lower classes by taxation, rising prices and stagnant/lower paychecks.

Unfortunately, your government/businesses have learned from the appalling US political/economic model (thanks Gordon Brown for really getting that ball rolling in 2000 by selling Crown gold to GS/JPMorgan/Chase and allowing them to corner the gold market.) 

Your businesses are moving money and jobs abroad and evading taxes, all while demanding the top rate decrease to allow for job creation (abroad.)  The US model proved that immigrants increase competition for local jobs and thus cause wage deflation, which makes your rich very wealthy if they need local labor. Ditto with foreign aid, 'charities' and nonprofits, which are used for legally building and concealing wealth by the upper classes with almost no downside, for the cost is passed to the lower classes.  And of course, there's the estate taxation issues. 

UK government/oligarchy also have a bonus of EU issues that are paid for by the working man but drastically benefit the wealthy:  open borders migration policy (which France and many other countries ignore but UK uses to allow unlimited migration); 'human rights,' which effectively prevents deportation of criminals; both UK citizens and migrants use it to avoid actual jail; allow migrants to sue the border patrol for various violations and gain substantial settlements (and legal bills, apparently using your legal aid system, which gets billed to the government); and of course participation in the Euro bailouts through IMF (I don't think they deal straight with the ECB/EFSF); and migrant benefits/NHS from day one, a substantial portion of which is sent to their original countries and 'creates jobs' there instead of GB. 

Either way, the rich benefit and the working man gets the bill and the bulk of price inflation.
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Lawyer13
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10:26 AM on 08/16/2011
More written guidance for police officers, (the last one was 147 pages long) it's not written guidance that is needed it's good old common sence and old fashioned policing, that will get these thugs off our streets.
09:16 AM on 08/16/2011
Elected policemen. Elected plumbers.
01:51 PM on 08/16/2011
What next? Elected surgeons, airline pilots, air traffic controllers. No worry for me the politicians being elected, as long as they're removed from the real life, and put in their own created "cuckoo-land"! As far as I can remember, we had one party governments, elected by less than 30% of the electorate. Toonyy Blaaair won by landslide (144 seats overall majority in the parliament), with 28% of the voting electorate! We are so free, we're not even allowed to have a compulsory voting, like our Empire's formal penal colony; Australia. Shurely, shomesink wrang! No? I remember Cameron hugging hoodies, & blaming those at the trough.. What is stopping him now from hugging hoodies! He is at the trough! Bent Willy Clinton removed banking rules and regulations, allowing a wholesale robbery of the poor and semi-poor by the banks, then Dumbbiya giving the peoples' money to the bankers, removed corporate taxation, then TB and GB & bankers stole from us again ('cos no rules!), and now D(el boy) Cameron (on bankers orders) steals from us again!!! If DC brands the destitude young as criminals - what stealing from us, and abetting the bankers makes him and his ilk then? Highway Bandits!? Wars are not as profitable as they used to be - stealing from us with the protection of the law enacted by themselves, is much easier and lucrative! Push off Cameron! Pity on you, 'cos you're still young, but already as much use as varicose veins on a wooden leg!
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scsfoxrabbit
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04:15 PM on 08/16/2011
Think it was Bent Ronnie Regan who deregulated banks et al.