Prince William And Kate Middleton's First Daughter Could Be Queen Under Changed Rules Of Succession

Prince William And Kate Middleton

Huffington Post UK   Dina Rickman First Posted: 15/10/11 13:02 Updated: 17/10/11 00:02

Gordon Brown, David Cameron and Nick Clegg don’t all agree on much. But they’ve all spoken out against the antiquated laws which prevent Roman Catholics and women having equal access to the throne.

Under current rules, if Prince William and Princess Catherine first born child were female, she would not have the same right to the throne as a younger brother. But on Wednesday the prime minister said he had written to 15 Commonwealth countries to change the outdated legislation.

Huff Post UK talked through what’s being proposed with Bob Morris, an honourary senior research associate at UCL’s constitution unit.

So what’s changing - and why is it so diplomatically complicated?

The government want to ensure “gender equality” by allowing Prince William’s first child, whatever its gender, to be entitled to the throne. They also want to change the rule which prevents those who marry Roman Catholics taking the crown.

The prime minister said: "This rule is a historical anomaly - it does not, for example, bar those who marry spouses of other faiths - and we do not think it can continue to be justified".

They also want to change an old rule which requires any descendants of King George II to get the monarch’s permission before marrying.

But even that won’t mean non-protestants can take the throne, Bob Morris explains: “There is a third requirement that they're not erasing, which requires them to be in holy communion with the Church of England. To remove the explicit requirement about Roman Catholics doesn't mean they will be able to succeed the throne. It rules out Quakers, and people of other faiths.

“They are very reluctant to tamper with the current form of establishment of the Church of England.”

Why has this not been changed before?

David Cameron is not the first leader who has tried to change the rule of sucession: In 2008 Gordon Brown's government said it was looking at the "antiquated" rules surrounding male primogeniture and which prevent Catholics from taking the throne. It's a slow process, mostly because it depends on 15 other nations agreeing to a change in the laws.

And then there’s the unintended consequences. Morris explains: “There is a lot of reluctance in having to unwind all of this, on the part of governments.

“There's probably still a fair degree of anti Roman Catholic feeling still in the country, there's a reluctance to feel you might have a head of state who owes allegiance to the foreign papal state. Why stir up something when you've got so much on your plate?”

So who has to say yes?

Many Brits won't have heard of Tuvalu, a small island in the Pacific Ocean with a population of just over 10,000. But it's one of the 15 nations that has to sign off on any changes to the royal succession.

"The problem is the Queen is head of state of 16 countries. if you wish to change the rules of succession then you'll want to do it in a uniform way otherwise you can have different people being different heads of state.

“The problem for some of the realms is they are independent states and will have constitutions of their own”, says Morris.

So what could go wrong?

The states could refuse, although Morris says there would have been a significant degree of behind-the-scenes diplomacy before David Cameron sent the letter.

It’s also difficult for other countries to change their constitutions: “It's possible that in Australia the central government can lead things but there would have to be legislation in each of the states.

“But how long it would take is less important as to whether they would agree to do it. in the UK, we can change our constitution simply by statute. Whereas in other countries there are differences”, Morris explains.

In the UK we would have to amend three acts: the Bill of Rights and Coronation Oath Act of 1688, the 1701 Act of Settlement and the 1706 Act of Union with Scotland.

Then there’s anti-monarchy feelings: “It will reignite concerns in Australia about moving to a Republic although [prime minister] Julia Gillard has said they are behind the changes.

“There may be some attempts to make political capital out of all this. I imagine there has been a lot of diplomacy going on behind the scenes before Cameron wrote his letter.

“Will all of this emulate more republicanism? In a sense the UK is a republic, it just happens to have a hereditary head of state.”

Morris adds: “There may be some feeling amongst some of the Commonwealth countries that there should be a question about who the head of the Commonwealth should be that might change with Charles.”


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12:04 on 05/11/2011
Hopefully by the time Will & Kate have children the system will have changed and the royal family will have been banished to a annals of history where they belong, while Buckingham Palace; and all their other "Homes" will have been turned into nice affordable housing for pensioners and the young unemployed or low income families. You could turn Buck House into a very nice sheltered housing complex, and get a lotof of 1 - 2 & 3 bedroom council flats and houses on that parade ground?

In this day and age, with the UK and world populations approaching saturation point, natural resources running out, food production unable to keep up with the growth in population and poverty and starvation gripping half the world, it's actually quite obscene that these people still exist.

My idea would be that we make Charlie the last King. The Queen looks like she's got a good few years in her yet, which means logically Charlie should have a fairly short reign. And he should be the last.

The world is changing, and it's time we changed with it. The younger generations don't seem to be so infatuated with royalty as our parents, grandparents, and great grandparents generations were. The generations who ooh'd and ah'd at royal visits are becoming a thing of the pats.

And that, fingers crossed means the royal family soon will be as well.
11:23 on 29/10/2011
Maybe it's a bit undemocratic to simply let the Windors succeed the throne. Maybe should have a lottery or something.

The current practice is medieval, doesn't suit our time... but let's spend millions of the people's tax pound sterling and pay for all the expenses and upkeep of these royal highnesses for no other reasons than simply because they were lucky sperms.
01:07 on 27/10/2011
its a really great event we are to much enjoy at that time. the queen is looking to much good but i think Diana is a most beautiful with her. she was a much beauty.http://www.jobsincareer.com/research-job/
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17:16 on 22/10/2011
Personally it would not concern me if the first born son were to be a queen.
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19:18 on 21/10/2011
As trivial as this might appear to some, I think it is an important Constitutional step and one to be welcomed. No modern country can allow such clearly medieval practices to continue if it wants to be taken seriously on matters of always seeking to uphold gender rights of fairness under the law. Women should be allowed to succeed to the Crown if they are the fisrt-born of the reigning monarch.

The matter of practising and avowed Catholics being allowed to become Monarch however is I'm afraid a far more tricky problem to reconcile with our Past. This definitely is not a trivial matter. Our head of State cannot have allegiences spiritual or otherwise to that of another State. Especially not so, whilst we have in place the Established Anglican and Episcopal Church and all the implications this has for our Constitution as a Nation. It would mark a fundamental shift that I personally would find unacceptable, without certain other reforms taking place first.
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03:33 on 17/10/2011
Wish they would just f*** off the lot of em.
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15:10 on 19/10/2011
I'm sure that the feeling's mutual.
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15:15 on 21/10/2011
Spokesperson for the overpaid inbred spongers are we?
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00:45 on 16/10/2011
The French and the Russians had the right idea. Time we followed suit and rid ourselves of these parasites.
23:49 on 15/10/2011
Seems like too much drama, tedious work, loopholes, and hurdles to overcome! Just keep things as they are, no? The monarchy has been flourishin­g for all these centuries in spite of their "antiquate­d" laws, it is these exact things that have maintained it as one of the strongest & well-known monarchies around the world. So I say if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
04:19 on 16/10/2011
Are you also saying that everything old cannot be improved upon?
23:03 on 15/10/2011
"There's probably still a fair degree of anti Roman Catholic feeling still in the country, there's a reluctance to feel you might have a head of state who owes allegiance to the foreign papal state."

Sorry, Bob Morris (who he?), but this is utter, utter rubbish.

No one in this country thinks like this- even the BNP now embraces Catholics among "the peoples of these islands" - if the racist loons in England haven't a problem then it must take an even greater bigot to suggest "some people" here have enough anti-Catholic sentiment. And when did we start defining laws according t bigotry anyway?!?!

YOU say this nonsense because YOU think in these terms. The vast majority of British people, and overwhelmingly so among the younger generations, couldn't give a damn if the monarch were a Catholic or a Buddhist.

"Foreign papal state" - what year are you living in? It's like a line from Tom Brown's Schooldays or something!

Less than 1% of Anglicans in the UK regularly go to Church whereas over one third of UK Catholics regularly go to Church - so why should the Anglicans still be dictating who gets to where the Crown?? Disestablish the C of E, remove these antiquated, bigoted laws, and move on.

This isn't the 16th century and the Jesuits aren't coming to take over.
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13:21 on 17/10/2011
It seems you've never been to the west of Scotland or Northern Ireland in July"the marching season".
If you had you would know that anti-catholic feelings still exist. These people teach it all to their children and it just goes on & on. Ever been to a Rangers v Celtic game? Where do you think the hatred comes from? It has nothing to do with the sport being played!
22:52 on 15/10/2011
The CHOGM should not be held in Australia. It is totally inappropriate whilst they continue to turn a blind eye to their own human rights abuses: http://www.expendable.tv. That goes unreported over there. The commonwealth should be pressing that right now.
18:16 on 15/10/2011
She would be better of as free lady - marry the love she meet and being free. The royal families has a right to privacy without paparazzo's, journalists and others encroaching their privacy hanging around 24/7. They are victim for persecution as it is today?
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18:15 on 15/10/2011
Like my dear late mother used to say wait and see, until all the countries where our Queen remains head of state have their say we do not know.
17:17 on 15/10/2011
So let me get this right. People want to reform the monarchy to reflect modern values and beliefs. In these volatile times isnt that called a democracy with an elected head of state? The monarchy is supposed to be passed down the the male heir with the head of state being the voice of Jesus christ on earth represented through the anglican church. We all know its made up rubbish so why are we pretending that by changing it that we make it any "better"?
23:05 on 15/10/2011
I just want to use your argument against you:

Why bother challenging bigotry; it makes no difference anyway.

Great argument.

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19:31 on 17/10/2011
Im not pro monarchy i think it needs to be junked. We have no written constitution and the whole thing is a farce! Why bother changing it, we dont actually need it.
04:29 on 16/10/2011
Just so you know, democracies and monarchies are not mutually exclusive. You are confused. Republics and monarchies *may* be mutually exclusive, but democracies and monarchies are not.

The UK is both a parliamentary democracy and a constitutional monarchy, as are Belgium, the Netherlands, Norway, Sweden, Luxembourg, Denmark, and Spain. So too are Thailand and Japan. For that matter, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and The Bahamas are all democracies, with elected prime ministers as head of government and a monarch as head of state.

Also worth mentioning that, in a parliamentary democracy, whether the head of *state* is elected, appointed, or a monarch makes no difference in how governments function or how people live.
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15:49 on 15/10/2011
That's the Duchess of Cambridge, actually, not 'Kate Middleton' - just as it's President Obama, and not Obama.