Eurozone Crisis: French And German Officials Discuss Breakup Of The Eurozone

Eurozone Crisis

The Huffington Post UK   First Posted: 10/11/11 09:24 GMT Updated: 10/11/11 09:58 GMT

The European sovereign debt crisis could be entering a new and dangerous phase, with political upheaval in Greece and Italy forcing regional leaders to consider a reshaping of the eurozone.

According to reports, officials in Paris and Berlin have already discussed creating a smaller yet more integrated eurozone.

"France and Germany have had intense consultations on this issue over the last months, at all levels," a senior EU official in Brussels told Reuters, while German Chancellor Angela Merkel has called for closer political ties from the eurozone members.

"Because the world is changing so much, we must be prepared to answer the challenges. That will mean more Europe, not less Europe," she said.

On Thursday, European Markets dropped as Italy moved closer to a bailout. The FTSE 100 opened down 1.8%. Spain's IBEX was down 1.5% and Italy's MIB fell by 1.4%. Germany's DAX opened down 1.7%, and France's CAC dropped 2.1%.

Earlier, Asian markets also opened down. Japan's Nikkei index had fallen by 2.9%, South Korea's Kospi shed 3.8% and Hong Kong's Hang Seng index dropped 5.3%.

With the economic crisis mounting, José Manuel Barroso, the president of the European commission, has urged European leaders to become more united.

"We are witnessing fundamental changes to the economic and geopolitical order that have convinced me that Europe needs to advance now together or risk fragmentation. Europe must either transform itself or it will decline. We are in a defining moment where we either unite or face irrelevance," he said.

On Wednesday, the crisis in the eurozone deepened as Italy headed towards a bailout that the European Union can ill afford, despite the announcement that Silvio Berlusconi would resign as prime minister.

If Italy tried to borrow money today it would have to pay an interest rate of over 7%, the level at which Greece, Portugal and Ireland were forced to seek a bailout.

But while those three countries have relatively small economies, Italy presents a much larger problem for the European Union and there are concerns that it is 'too big to save'.

Italy, the eurozone's third largest economy, has a debt of 1.9 trillion euros and needs a rescue package of 1.4 trillion euros. But the eurozone rescue fund is currently only 440bn euros.

There is a growing consensus amongst analysts that the Italian situation has pushed the world economy into a dangerous place, and confidence is very shaky.

Much of the problem appears to be connected to the market's uncertainty over the political situation in Rome. Berlusconi has insisted he will remain in place until the parliament passes austerity measures designed to get to grips with Italy's debt problem.

The timing is now critical. Italy's finance bill is now expected to be in place within days before markets open on Monday morning, and Berlusconi, if he sticks to his word, will resign immediately afterwards.

If a technocratic government is named, which some believe is likely, then the markets may be satisfied and Italy could avoid insolvency.

On Wednesday evening Italian president Giorgio Napolitano named former EU commissioner Mario Monti a senator for life - perhaps paving the way for him to take charge of a national government following Berlusconi's resignation.

But there is not universal support for such a move, with some members of Berlusconi's party favouring a general election.

Robert O'Daly, economist at the Economist Intelligence Unit, said: "That spooks investors, largely because an election would mean a couple of months of campaigning, which would leave Italy rudderless for a couple of months at a time when they need a government to take additional steps."

While the focus has shifted to Italy, chaos still appears to reign in Greece where political parties continue to fight over who should lead a coalition government even though prime minister George Papandreou announced he was standing down.

In a televised address Papandreou said: "I want to wish every success to the new prime minister and the new government. I will stand at their side and will back this national effort to the utmost of my ability."

It is believed that Papandreou had wanted Philippos Petsalnikos, the speaker of the Greek parliament, to take over.

But the opposition New Democracy party balked at that choice given his apparent lack of economic expertise. But opposition leader Antonis Samaras it is up to Papandreau's PASOK party to propose a new prime minister as it holds the most seats.

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The European sovereign debt crisis could be entering a new and dangerous phase, with political upheaval in Greece and Italy forcing regional leaders to consider a reshaping of the eurozone. Accord...
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Michael II
Neither the one, nor the only
02:47 PM on 11/11/2011
The idea of a two-speed EU is not new. But it's worth pointing out that in a recent poll, a majority of Greek people were in favour of staying inside the Eurozone.
08:44 PM on 11/11/2011
Michael, might that not be because Greece has been awash with European money it could never have accessed as a free standing nation which has (as is widely reported elsewhere) been squandered to appease a wide range of government employees and subcontractors? Europe is too big and to diverse to survive as a single currency. It's time for the euro countries to cut their losses and get back to their national currencies - Viva the Deutschmark!
06:26 AM on 11/11/2011
Greece got inot the EU because GOLDMAN SACHS fiddled the figures.

Greece should "do an Argentina", default, and go their own way.

Christine Lagarde of the International Mafia Fund is certainly getting alot of use out of her strap-on. Apparently she's trying to rape Iceland even though they have not spent any IMF loans.
08:43 PM on 11/11/2011
Ouch!
04:44 AM on 11/11/2011
The leaders of these countries can talk all they want about a larger Eurozone and more unity, but the facts are, there has never been any unity even when times were prosperous, so there is zip chance of any in these very uncertain times. If the UK continues to divert money into the IMF, it will face almost certain recession and bankruptcy. If Italy can fall, so can we, so can France, and so can Germany. The pound has already lost at least 10% of its value, and the cost of goods and services has increased, which is already putting strain on everyone. If David Cameron diverts British funds into the IMF to try to save countries which are going down with or without bailouts, he will take us down also.
Michael II
Neither the one, nor the only
02:08 PM on 11/11/2011
The UK received the equivalent of €9 billion from the IMF in the Seventies under Dennis Healey. Should it be excluded from supporting the body that saved it?
08:44 PM on 11/11/2011
I thought we paid that back?
08:46 PM on 11/12/2011
Its a bit silly to propose that Cashmoron would use good sense and facts to decide policy with when he has his own money grabbing agenda to consider he cares not about us only his self and his bandit crew sad is it not (you are so right)
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glennmat1
01:46 AM on 11/11/2011
want the truth go here
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glennmat1
01:44 AM on 11/11/2011
do yourselves a favor get out of government bonds and stocks and buy gold futures or you will be sorry next year.
09:02 PM on 11/11/2011
I know it's nice and shiny and yelllow and all that, but I just don't get why it works like that? Nowadays, as we have just seen, the eurozone has just bullied everyone into a 50% haircut on Greece. This obliterated 50% of Greece's national debt i.e. that money (which was owed to the banks) simply doesn't exist any more. This can happen to all the 'notes of promise' in the world. So, when that's over, and all the money's in gold, what are the farmers going to do with it when they get it in exchange for food? I'd rather have a big grain silo, or a cold store full of meat!
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floodberg
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12:38 AM on 11/12/2011
As I understand it, 1)  There's pending legal challenges by smaller investors to the haircut;
2) That 50% didn't even get into the original capital, it shaved off accumulated interest.
08:51 PM on 11/12/2011
The price of gold is very high now Brown sold all ours to his mates at knock down bargain basement prices a few years ago so Cashmoron is a bit skint down to his last 20 mill or so poor thing and he would love everyone to bung their shirt on gold just before it drops like a stone as the gold bubble go,s pop but then we never believe a word our government says so we might be OK
06:35 PM on 11/10/2011
If you want to keep our Royal Family, get out now. It is obvious...as Maggie T said......if the Germans can not get you by warfare, they will get you financially/politically. It IS coming, why can no one see it for goodness sake. The minute there is a problem, the Germans are there.....secret talks with France...what next? The French give up, put their hands in the air, "we love you Germany!" they are crying "help us out of this mess" Short memories indeed, as have the under 60's in the UK.
11:48 AM on 11/11/2011
How true, we must remain the masters of our own house, and get back what we have already
given away, before its to late, Why are we selling our souls for a mess of porrige.
Michael Keaney
05:53 PM on 11/10/2011
Perhaps the whole EU shold be scrspped it is a Financial disaster with a dodgy currency and dodgy accounts. If ountries did not have to pay into this club thy might not then be in financial difficulty
Michael II
Neither the one, nor the only
02:11 PM on 11/11/2011
Perhaps you should study economics.
05:37 PM on 11/10/2011
should have kicked greece out as soon as got into trouble. Italy too. Any bail-out fund is going to create a safety net for irresponsible countries to aspire to and set their fiscal policies accordingly.
05:26 PM on 11/10/2011
So the french and the germans are once again at the bottom of world issues - No surprise there - I guess the Brits got it right for a change
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05:16 PM on 11/10/2011
This whole great EU enterprise is all about Germany trying to take by stealth which it couldn't take by force despite trying twice.
It obviously cannot work long term and it's best to ditch the whole project sooner than later.
08:51 PM on 11/11/2011
What would have happened if no Eurozone and each country still had its own currency? My guess is that we would not have had this mess! BANBURY BOB
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04:36 PM on 11/10/2011
if the euro is in so much trouble why is the pound not any stronger when the euro started the pound was approx worth 1euro 60 now we struggle to get above 1euro 10
08:48 PM on 11/11/2011
'coz we trade so much with the eurozone countries, that when they're broke, our exports suffer. It's more or less like if the european ship sinks, the UK goes down in the whirlpool (with apologies for that Titanic analogue!)
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rrozy2222
do as you would be done by
04:36 PM on 11/10/2011
let every country go back to their own currency and be done with it europe is too powerful and disaster is looming , thank goodness we kept the pound.
08:53 PM on 11/11/2011
TOTAL AGREEMENT