England Riots: Manchester Could Have Been Spared 'If London Police Had Acted Faster'

Manchester Riots

First Posted: 14/11/11 08:42 GMT Updated: 14/11/11 08:56 GMT   PA

Manchester could have been spared the August riots if police in London had acted sooner, according to the city's chief constable.

Greater Manchester Police chief Peter Fahy told BBC Panorama that copycat violence broke out after people saw rioters were "getting away with" their behaviour in the capital.

Mr Fahy said: "A certain group of people saw what was happening in London and decided they seemed to be getting away with it. The authorities weren't in control and they decided they wanted their opportunity."

He told the programme he did not regret the decision to send 100 officers from Greater Manchester Police to help deal with the situation in London.

"We knew what was absolutely critical was that there needed to be control of London. Because that was just creating more and more copycat violence up here."

Mr Fahy added: "I think you'd have to say with hindsight if London had been under control sooner we probably would not have faced the problems in Manchester."

Manchester Police have arrested more than 350 people in connection with the riots. Mr Fahy told the programme the force is still tracking down hundreds of suspects from at least 300 crime scenes.

Early findings from the Metropolitan Police's review into its policing of the riots concluded that too few officers were deployed on the first night of violence.

The disturbances began in Tottenham, north London, on Saturday August 6 in response to the fatal police shooting of father-of-four Mark Duggan, 29, and spread throughout the capital and then across England.

Scotland Yard said it had about 3,000 policemen and women on duty across London on the first night of the riots, and it deployed 480 trained public order officers to the disorder in Tottenham. By Monday August 8, by far the worst night of violence in the capital, there were around 6,000 officers on duty, of whom 1,900 had specialist public order training.

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04:41 PM on 11/14/2011
When MR Fahy saw the rioting London,why did he not take preventative action in Manchester.? Another case of " not me guv."
05:56 PM on 11/14/2011
Well he says it's because the bulk of his riot trained officers had been sent to London to help out. Lets face it if people decide to behave in this manner there really arent enough police officers to stop them and it will be worse with the cuts that are coming. How come they don't read the riot act any more?
06:04 PM on 11/16/2011
They do not read the riot act is because if they did the police would be liable for any compensatiion for damage or theft.
03:40 PM on 11/14/2011
Its nothing to do with what london did, its our judicial system thats at fault ,everything is on the side of the criminal and society is also to blame,our laws are no deterant to any one who wants to commit a crime, the sentences are not stringent enough, society even sends criminals on an all expense paid holiday just to see if that would steer them back on the right track,when all it does is sends a message to them that they are on a good thing, some criminals will even commit a crime just to get back in prison because they know that they will get fed have a nice bed to sleep on have access to a library and a gym and can even get free schooling whilst the are in prison, everything is geered in favour of the criminals instead of the innocent person.
01:08 PM on 11/14/2011
Let's not forget what happened in Birmingham; 350 arrested in Manchester, 900+ in Birmingham, 3 people killed and guns fired at police. Yet again the BBC ignores the country's 2nd biggest city.
03:39 PM on 11/14/2011
well said . i have been really cheesed off over the last few years with the medias obsession with manchester. Now that the BBC have moved NEAR there (Salford) it is even more unbearable!
04:43 PM on 11/14/2011
Thanks for that. We must let people know that Manchester is only the 7th largest city in the country and that Birmingham has a far more significant history, not just a cotton town like Manchester but the 'City of 1000 trades' and 'The Workshop of the Empire'; not forgetting the Lunar Society. Why do we face so much prejudice and ignorance from the media when this city has contributed so much and why are the many beautiful places that you can find in Birmingham ignored? I acknowledge that what happened in Manchester during the riots - sorry looting, was horrendous but it was far worse here and in different areas around the city. Manchester is a great city, but please; so is the country's SECOND city, Birmingham, and all we want is proportional recognition and representation in the country's media..
04:01 PM on 11/14/2011
I like the BBC but i do think that they are controlled by polititions.
11:03 AM on 11/14/2011
someome playing the blame game again .??????????????????????
11:03 AM on 11/14/2011
Not prevented,maybe delayed for a little while? The problem is that those who wish to break the law and serious criminals have been noting month after month, year after year, our parliaments announcements about cutting back on real police numbers (not plastic ones, the villains laugh at those anyway), police stations, police cars, in fact anything remotely resembling local police presence, in numbers on our streets. They quickly became aware that if they formed in big enough numbers and then in several places at once. That the tiny number of police, including the literally tiny police officers (height requirements seemingly thrown away for politically correct purposes) and officers/stations only working 09.00 to 17.00 office hours (unbelievable!). That an actuall physical presence to combat rioting/looting would take considerable time and that initially the action would be soft with a capital S. Most of those caught are not the kind to worry about the slapped wrists they will receive and will in the near future perform their riots on a regular basis.
10:25 AM on 11/14/2011
I actually agree with Mt Fahy's comments about the police response in London creating a situation that encouraged copycat behaviour in other locations (including other parts of London). However,as a senior police offer he should not be making such comments on BBC Panorama, he should be making them privately through established channels. This kind of public criticism from "within the ranks" is unprofessional and nothing good can come from it.
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09:45 AM on 11/14/2011
Any reason the Manchester Police announced that they had sent all their riot police to London ? This titbit was repeated by local radio every few minutes , they were taunting people to riot.
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09:29 AM on 11/14/2011
Absolutely wonderful, you could not make it up. It has been the fashion for some time now to blame the police for everything. Too soon/Too late. Too many/Too few. Too heavy handed/Too lenient. Now we have the situation where the police are blaming the police.Mr. Fahy has just proved that he is either too politically correct, or too silly to hold the job he does. Had the police contained the violence sooner, they would have been villified even more than they were at the time. They just cannot win. We have the society we deserve, and I for one do not like the shape of it.