Iain Duncan Smith: Poverty 'About More Than Income'

Iain Duncan Smith

First Posted: 02/12/11 07:48 GMT Updated: 02/12/11 07:48 GMT   PA

Work and Pensions Secretary Iain Duncan Smith has sparked questions over the Government's commitment to child poverty targets inherited from Labour, with a speech in which he argued that the problem cannot be addressed by money alone.

In a significant intervention in the debate on poverty, Mr Duncan Smith said that the "hugely expensive" drive to lift children out of poverty by boosting family income had failed.

It was time to consider new measures of wellbeing which take into account factors like health, family security and education, and incentivise action which will make a real difference to a child's chances in life, he said.

His comments came after Prime Minister David Cameron said there was "a real problem" with the way poverty is officially measured, under which a child is deemed to be in poverty if its family is on 60% or less of the median average income.

Mr Cameron said the "illogical" method meant that children could fall into official poverty because of increases in the income of childless households, like pensioners, even if their own income is unchanged.

The relative poverty measure is enshrined in Labour's Child Poverty Act, which last year created a legally-binding requirement for the Government to end child poverty in the UK by 2020.

Some 2.8 million children are living in poverty, according to official statistics and measures in George Osborne's Autumn Statement are expected to increase that figure by 100,000. The respected Institute for Fiscal Studies think-tank said on Wednesday it was now "inconceivable" that the Government would hit its target.

In a speech, Mr Duncan Smith said the relative poverty measure produced perverse incentives for the authorities to focus on lifting income through higher welfare payments and to pursue programmes which will lift families from just below the 60% level to just above.

He added: "This is a hugely expensive approach and it looks set to have failed. Though some progress has been made on poverty, the last government were set to miss their targets by a wide margin, having already missed their interim targets.

"Poverty is about more than income alone. We must remember that levels of family income are just an approximate - and by no means perfect - measure of family wellbeing. This is not to say that money isn't important. Of course it is ... But I do believe that increased income and increased wellbeing do not always follow the same track."

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10:28 PM on 12/14/2011
Maybe if we took IDS's income away from him he might change his mind?
01:34 AM on 12/03/2011
I wish this government would take the attitude that just giving money to banks & bankers isn't a solution. As always it's the poorest members of society that will feel the brunt of government cuts.
06:10 PM on 12/02/2011
The way to stop child poverty is simple. MARRIED COUPLES should prove they are capable of supporting and loving a child.
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Tony Booth
04:03 PM on 12/02/2011
i can see the point he's making, that money doesn't buy happiness but he forgets that a certain amount of money is essential to buy food etc before you can even think of buying happiness.
time for a government U turn maybe - persuade the rest of the population that it isn't cool to have a massive debt on your credit card and that buying bling is a waste of money.

.....but then again, what do these multi millionaire politicians know about poverty, it's all theoretical to them. the world of work is a strange land too.
03:41 PM on 12/02/2011
truly worthy comments from a fiddling mp,whose wife just happens to live in a castle,unbelievable
02:56 PM on 12/02/2011
ooh I've got an idea let's change the meaning of poverty so that the hundreds of thousands of children are no longer classed as living in poverty. Poverty solved.
01:18 PM on 12/02/2011
Oh by the way if you get your comment taken off it could be because you have put down certain politicians names! Having just retyped mine without the name it was finally excepted.
01:16 PM on 12/02/2011
LOL! He might as well be talking a foreign language. As far as the opposition are concerned, its their own fault, even though there is considerable unemployment etc made by the cuts!
01:14 PM on 12/02/2011
LOL! Sorry but you are talking a foreign language to Cameron. As far as Cameron & Co are concerned, thats their own fault, regardless of high unemployment caused by their cuts!
Southern law girl
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01:04 PM on 12/02/2011
In this country poverty is multi faceted, IDS speaks a lot of sense, after all he has put a great deal into this huge problem by way of research. I have read some very sad cases in the press lately, one of which was a veteren serviceman who couldn't work and his wife with learning difficulties. It is my understanding and the way it was reported was that they ended up committing suicide. Both slipped through the safety net, were refused state help, and couldn't face another cold winter trying to keep warm - nobody helped them. It is frustrating reading such stories, because these are the very people who are supposed to be assisted by our state safety net.
02:51 PM on 12/02/2011
that saftey net doesn't exist any more.
Southern law girl
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03:01 PM on 12/02/2011
The sad case mentioned proves your point.
03:14 PM on 12/02/2011
IDS speaks alot of sense? You must be joking.

Nonsensical comments regarding healthcare and education from a minister of a government hellbent on privatising the NHS, and with overcrowded classrooms and the soaring costs of a university education. People are less secure now than they have been for generations.

As for that couple that you mentioned - it is the despicable processes of the DWP and ATOS (look them up - see for example what the black triangle campaign as to say regarding them), that was in many ways responsible for these suicides and numerous others.

IDS's idea of tackling poverty is to change how poverty is assessed, and his idea of welfare reform is to have the sick and disabled classified as fit to work no matter if they are not. The man has no sense, reason or ethics whatsoever.
12:47 PM on 12/02/2011
He is right...attitude and behaviour are just as important, which, in some caes is sadly laking.
11:47 AM on 12/02/2011
The Work and Pensions Secretary, Iain Duncan Smith is right.The only way how to get out of poverty is education, education and education. A qualification is to increase the chance of getting that job ahead of the people’s competition. To have knowledge and understanding about that job. Education is so important. Please don’t have what you can’t afford to pay for yourself.
11:50 AM on 12/02/2011
Yes, it's so important to them that they stopped EMA & cut the schools budget. Except for the extra money available for previously fee-paying schools become 'free schools'. in other words saving their rich friends a few thousand on school fees!
12:33 PM on 12/02/2011
Nothing wrong with the public library - open 40 hours a week and all the free education you could desire available - all that is required in the commitment to use it - that is where most of us got our higher education years ago .

Today with instant acess on the internet to university education world wide and free in many cases there has never been more or cheaper opportunities open to all for education .

And as for schools budget the area of the UK with the lowest spend per pupil in schools has the best GCSE and A level results - there in no direct correlation throughout the country on LEA spend between educational spend and results - in fact home tutored children on whom the state spends zero on their education actually do better proportionately than State or private school pupils - it is poverty of ambition that is the real barrier to education
02:13 PM on 12/02/2011
Rather difficult to carry on paying out to non-performace schools, especially when at least 25% of vschool leaver are illiterate and unable to understand basic mathematics.
02:54 PM on 12/02/2011
yet those with degrees can't find work, so much for education.
11:39 AM on 12/02/2011
How about, we abolish the roof tax..get rid of all the civil servants who do non jobs in local gov... health service " more bosses than patients " and westminster..those that are left pay them the national wage.. quangos.. lower fuel prices inc.gas and elect. the bbc.. and hundreds more. Than we can keep more of OUR money and wont be poor. Easy or what.
11:38 AM on 12/02/2011
If it is about more than money, why are the social services being curtailed? sure starts shut?
11:23 AM on 12/02/2011
IDS and indeed most people in the UK - including those who think they are poor (as opposed to impoverished) - never look at the many, many people who are earning pitiful wages, trying to survive against the odds, being taxed to the hilt but just get on with life. Many do not LOOK poor but my gosh they are tired of trying and the increased pension ages are causing them huge anxiety for they somehow have to find reserves of energy they just do not have. It is about time we looked at people. We talk about individuals, yet never has the individuality of the independent person been less valued. No matter how hard they try the SYSTEMs are against them. As fast as they organise their children's complicated after school care, the faster the schools change their ways of working - inset days are the scurge of hard working poorer parents; strikes (say no more about them) - oldest child at school younger children not at school. Our TV focuses on the inept rather than on those who should be role models for us all. Michael Portillo tried living with a family on benefits and found it impossible. Much harder to live off benefits on a low income - particularly if you are self employed. No help then.
09:25 PM on 12/02/2011
This clown tried living with a family on only benefits too but obviously left thinking they were just "scum", its these goalpost movers who should have their wealth removed, none made it through hard work it was mostly fiddled with years in parliament on expenses, I'd simply love to see them survive with £54 a week as a full time carer, try telling that to a prospective employer at an interview, you know by the look on their ugly mugs you don't get the job. I've done the SE route too, these fools haven't a clue.