Move To Block Civil Partnerships In Churches Dropped After Being Rubbished By A Bishop

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Huffington Post UK   Dina Rickman First Posted: 15/12/11 13:28 Updated: 15/12/11 13:49

An attempt to block civil partnerships in churches by a Conservative peer has been blocked - after the Lady responsible withdrew her own amendment.

Introducing the motion, Baroness O'Cathain said current laws could force Churches to hold civil partnerships and "put religious freedom in jeopardy".

The self-described "reluctant rebel" said the vote was a matter of conscience as the law "could result on legal pressures on churches that do not want to hold civil partnerships.

But her claim was rubbished by peers, including Labour's Lord Alli, who tabled the original amendment allowing the change.

He said it was part of a "heady cocktail" of increasing prejudice against homosexuals.

"I think it happens because first you take a spurious argument. You dress it up in legal language. You get a senior QC or two to write a lot about very little. Then you throw in a very large dose of prejudice.

"Finally you add that secret ingredient: fear. Fear that people will be coerced into acting against their conscience."

Former Lord Chancellor Lord Falconer also denied the law would force places of worship to hold civil partnerships.

And the Bishop of Oxford said he had received legal advice showing that the Church was protected, adding: "It is not clear to me that there is in anything in these regulations that needs to be changed."

Baroness O'Cathain denied she had any "hidden agenda" or wanted to vote against civil partnerships, but withdrew the move due to lack of support.

Speaking after the debate ended Liberal Democrat Equalities Minister, Lynne Featherstone said: “A number of faiths have made it very clear to me and others that they want to allow same-sex couples to have their civil partnership ceremony in their places of worships.

“As a Liberal Democrat, I strongly believe that we should make this possible and that is why the coalition government is doing the right thing in allowing these faiths to celebrate the love that two people have for each other.

“From the outset, we made it clear that we would not force any faith to do so and the House of Lords have today recognised that there are appropriate safeguards.

“I look forward to working equally constructively with all interested people and organisations as we move ahead with the coalition government’s plan to open up marriage to same-sex couples. Our commitment to equality runs deep, as next year’s consultation on equal marriage will show.”

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Robert Frano
Religio_Intolerance cost 359 coworkers! (11.09.01)
17:00 on 18/12/2011
Re: "...He said it was part of a "heady cocktail" of increasing prejudice against homosexuals..."

Gays have been part of humanity since humanity was part of everything else; Christianity, (and other forms of organized-homophobia), have been 'round, a mere...2,000 years…

What's the Christian body count up to now, after 20 centuries? ...Must be in the millions: dead, maimed, missing!

But, remember folks: They alone (along with their ‘talibanic’ brothers & sisters), are wise enough to tell you when life begins, what pleases/angers various Deities, how often one can shower in a semi-public sports facility w/o steppin’ over the 'molestation-line', etc.!

And...
How much a Christian can charge the tax-payer for that next Abortificient_System, (Trident, B1b, B-52d, etc.), or that next conventional ‘cost-overrun', (aka, 'weapons system'!), to be 'kosher, 'nough' to still allow for weekly 'Deity_Cannabilism'!
11:23 on 16/12/2011
I'm not superstitious so they can do what ever they want with there churches.
00:22 on 16/12/2011
Shame, just when you thought there was a remnant of conservatism in the so-called 'Conservative' Party. It can take its rightful place alongside 'Labour' as parties which have thoroughly betrayed their traditional core voters and supporters.
21:25 on 15/12/2011
God made adam and eve, not adam and steve!!
21:41 on 15/12/2011
Well, to be totally accurate, "God" created "Adam" and "Lillith" first. That didn't work out so well, so then "God" made "Eve". And then "Cain". And then "Abel". And then "Louise". And then "Stella". And then "George". I think "Steve" was next, but I could be mistaken.

Of course, if you don't see "Adam" and "Lillith/Eve" as metaphors, there's no helping you.

And, if "God" DIDN'T create "Steve", then who did?
11:32 on 16/12/2011
She was married to Frasier.
KenGirl
Turn Texas Azul by 2016
22:53 on 15/12/2011
And Adam and Eve had two sons, Cain and Abel and daughters. Who in this family slept with who to continue to populate the world. Incestuous family. Wow!!
17:50 on 15/12/2011
I don't mind gays as long as they don't try to force anything down my throat. Stonewall have reportedly sent thousands of cards to politicians and the like to try to bring the pot to the boil.
21:28 on 15/12/2011
I don't mind str8s, but they insist on forcing it down our throats, flinging their sexuality in our faces. Every day, I see people putting pictures of their opposite-sex spouse on their desks at work. I see them holding hands and kissing one another hello and goodbye at the train station, the bus platforms, picking each other up and dropping them off at work/school. I hear them talking about what they did with the "wife" (or "husband") on the weekend. I see the physical evidence of their intimacy everyday - their children. I see them insisting their 'partners' be covered under their work-provided health-care schemes and pensions. Their opposite-sex spouses get inheritances, death benefits, etc.

If they just wouldn't FLAUNT their sexual preferences, society would be a much better place. Why can't they just shut up about it?
10:56 on 16/12/2011
Get a grip!
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mchcallow
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22:04 on 16/12/2011
No worries Mickey Mouse. I won't force anything down your throat. Yo can take things at your own pace wink wink...
21:39 on 20/12/2011
I'd have no future in politics because I'm straight!
17:05 on 15/12/2011
The only person I knew who was in a Civil Partnership was a straight guy with this woman.

If the church doesnt want to do Civil Partnerships why should it, any more than it should award Duke of Edinburgh medals or swimming trophies. The church does marriages not swimming medals.
21:31 on 15/12/2011
The State does marriages. The Church (TM, all rights resedrved) only performs the Rite of Holy Matrimony, which, by the good graces of the State, the government recognizes as a marriage. But only after the couple and the officiant signs State-issued doucments and the officiant intones the words, "And now, by the authority vested in me - BY THE STATE ...".

No faith IS being forced to marry (OR 'civilly partnerize' - gawd what a phrase) same-gender couples.
16:11 on 15/12/2011
I'm afraid this report seems rather disingenuous. What is at issue here is the gay rights legal agenda. Once civil partnerships are "permitted" in church, what precisely is to stop Stonewall suing any vicar who dares to refuse? Indeed this is precisely the intention of the legislation.

Stonewall likes suing people who have no money and will be terrified; if it sued the Church of England, it would have a harder time. Hence the attempt to ensure that it is the poor, principled vicar who gets bullied, rather than the well-funded legions of Church House.

Still, let's remember what we were told in the 60's: "what two men do in private is no-one else's business." My that seems a long time ago!
KenGirl
Turn Texas Azul by 2016
22:48 on 15/12/2011
A church can refuse to marry a straight couple............or are they forced to marry anyone who shows up at their doorstep?
22:26 on 11/03/2012
I saw a lady Minister on the news on Friday evening saying she can't wait to marry her first same sex couple, she was from a "Free-Church", but I am not in favour of marriage in my Catholic Church at all.
bklynsparrow
creating reality from unreal things
23:14 on 15/12/2011
Churches have been bullying for 2 thousand years. Isn't it interesting that you are so worried about the "poor" vicars, but not so much that gays do not have equal rights, or that they have been insulted and discriminated against by people like you for no other reason that your fear?
22:30 on 11/03/2012
Of course the poor vicars are going to be getting it in the neck if this legislation is passed, their beliefs telling them one thing and the law another, it's all wrong that same sex people expect to be married in Churches as that's what this is all about.

Personally I can't understand why any same sex couple would want to be married in Church.
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Galician
Keep calm and carry on
14:55 on 15/12/2011
Why don't they better stay at home and pray or whatever they do instead of trying to manipulate, control and rule people's sexual lives???that's the only thing which is obscene and disgusting!!

We should start reporting this kind of acts and even more suing those who promote them, because as far as I know, the only thing which's illegal is being homophobic!!
14:36 on 15/12/2011
Stop trying to change the world and make them do as you would want. Satan acts that way. Instead do good, be good and show them what good can do. Once people see have good you are, how you serve your community despite how people act, you will see things change. I have created more change by ignoring the ignorance of others rather than confronting it. Try it and watch things work in your favor.
21:37 on 15/12/2011
Re: "ignorin the ignorance of others"

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - E. Burke
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14:01 on 15/12/2011
Lord Falconer. Wasn't he Mandy's first bankroller ? And Lord Alli sounds like a church-going Christian
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