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Archbishop Of York Warns Cameron Against Allowing Same-Sex Marriage

John Sentamu

PA/Huffington Post UK   First Posted: 28/01/2012 12:01 Updated: 28/01/2012 12:58

David Cameron would be like a "dictator" if he allowed same-sex marriage, according to the Archbishop of York.

Dr John Sentamu, the second most senior cleric in the Church of England, said that politicians should not overrule the bible and allow homosexual couples to get married, insisting that the institution must remain between a man and a woman.

The incendiary comments by a senior member of the Church of England are likely to infuriate human rights campaign groups, with campaigner Peter Tatchell calling Archbishop Sentamu "a religious authoritarian"

In an interview in the Daily Telegraph, Sentamu said: "I don't think it is the role of the state to define what marriage is. It is set in tradition and history and you can't just (change it) overnight, no matter how powerful you are.

"We've seen dictators do it in different contexts and I don't want to redefine very clear social structures that have been in existence for a long time and then overnight the state believes it could go in a particular way.

"It's almost like somebody telling you overnight that the Church, whose job is to worship God (that it will be) an arm of the Armed Forces. They must take arms and fight. You're completely changing tradition."

Reported by the Press Association, Sentamu pointed out that the bishops in the House of Lords did not try to stop Labour introducing civil partnerships in 2004, which gave same-sex couples much improved legal rights.

The Archbishops also reiterated has support for the move to allow civil partnership ceremonies in places of worship, subject to the voluntary agreement of the denomination's governing body.

However, the government is likely to face stiff opposition from the Lords and, according to Sentamu, the Commons, should they try and introduce legislation on gay civil marriage.

"The rebellion is going to come not only from the bishops. You're going to get it from across the benches and in the Commons," he said.

"If you genuinely would like the registration of civil partnerships to happen in a more general way, most people will say they can see the drift. But if you begin to call those marriage, you're trying to change the English language.

"That does not mean you diminish, condemn, criticise, patronise any same-sex relationships because that is not what the debate is about.

"The Church has always stood out - Jesus actually was the odd man out. I'd rather stick with Jesus than be popular because it looks odd."

Sentamu has previously expressed concern over the "gay marriage" of homosexual clergy after two reverends exchanged rings and vows at a service held in St Bartholomew the Great Church in the City of London in 2008

In a joint statement with the Archbishop of Canterbury Dr Rowan Williams, he said: "Those clergy who disagree with the Church's teaching are at liberty to seek to persuade others within the Church of the reasons why they believe, in the light of Scripture, tradition and reason that it should be changed. "But they are not at liberty simply to disregard it."

In reaction the Sentamu's statement, Tatchell, co-ordinator of the Equal Love campaign, said: "Archbishop Sentamu is a religious authoritarian who wants to impose his personal opposition to same-sex marriage on the rest of society.

"It is not a Christian value to demand legal discrimination against gay couples and to treat them as inferior, second-class citizens - with fewer rights than everyone else.

"The Government is proposing to legalise same-sex civil marriages in register offices. This will not affect churches.

"The Archbishop has no valid grounds for objecting to civil legislation that will ensure marriage equality for all couples."

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David Cameron would be like a "dictator" if he allowed same-sex marriage, according to the Archbishop of York. Dr John Sentamu, the second most senior cleric in the Church of England, said that po...
David Cameron would be like a "dictator" if he allowed same-sex marriage, according to the Archbishop of York. Dr John Sentamu, the second most senior cleric in the Church of England, said that po...
 
 
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22:13 on 01/02/2012
I believe that the church had a useful role in the middle ages but in what way is it relevant now?

The Archbishop of York is unelected represents no-one and should keep his views to himself.
16:42 on 30/01/2012
Of course this guy is from Africa and as a person of African descent I think he should take his backward colonial views back there. My God in his native land people are dying of corruption, starvation and ignorance while he sits in a palace in Europe where many of his black parishioners are racked by poverty living in urban ghettoes with no hope and this is what he decides to address the British Prime Minister about. The Lord Bishop should practice what he preaches. The bible says do not divorce and in another place it is allowed which should be honored. Oh I forgot marriage is a public institution, oh I suppose that in England the Anglican Church issue the marriage license.
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Azim S Khan
14:33 on 30/01/2012
Clergymen can't get married either, right? Maybe that's why they're so against it...
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13:31 on 30/01/2012
These religious types spend so much time projecting it's amazing that they manage to get anything else done. To call Cameron a "dictator" for proposing same sex civil marriage when dictating his own religious beliefs onto people who may not even share them is the height of hypocrisy. In other words, nothing new.
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PeterinSydney
09:01 on 30/01/2012
You would think that the dear Archbishop would have a keen awareness of bigotry and prejudice against groups of people. Then Archbishop how about re-thinking your need to commit to justice for same sex people?
08:27 on 30/01/2012
Bearing in mind everything else thats going on in the world at the moment, I don't give a damn who gets married to whoever. Surely if two people want to recognise that theirs is a stable and loving relationship, then that's their own business?
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Valksy
civis mundi sum
12:33 on 30/01/2012
You'd think that.

But religions like to have money and power. And targeting and naming an "other" to be an enemy is an act of expedience to achieving their goals.
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Curt H
The only rights u have r the ones u stand up 4
06:47 on 30/01/2012
This is why our ancestors left the church of England 250 yrs ago and came to America. For freedom of religion, Freedom of religion, and the pursuit of liberty...
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Valksy
civis mundi sum
12:34 on 30/01/2012
If you think that you have those things in the USA, you are delusional. Religion is even more of a poison.
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Curt H
The only rights u have r the ones u stand up 4
14:20 on 30/01/2012
I could not agree with you more. Its frightening to see that religion has so much control over our personal liberties. There has never been a true separation of church and state. As my profile picture suggest, I am pro-freedom from religion. I have my faith but do not force it up on others. I am a peaceful person who wants to love the person I fell in love with. I want the pope, the church, the GOP to stop worrying about who I share my bed with.
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p c r
Compassionate and Conservative are polar opposites
02:18 on 30/01/2012
I am confused.
No church can marry anyone unless the couple has paid for a license at a government office.
If a license is obtained. the couple can marry in a civil ceremony performed by a judge or choose to be married in a church.
Marriage is obviously not a religious ceremony unless the participants choose it to be so.
Even if a couple chooses to marry in a church, it is not legally recognized (nor performed by the church) without government sanction.
Marriage is obviously a government institution.
The government does not force any church or any clergy to marry anyone they choose not to, such as divorced folks can't be married in a Catholic Church and the government cannot force Catholic priests to perform the ceremony.
The Bible does not specifically speak against same sex marriage, although it does approve of owning slaves, forcing your slaves to have sex and bear your children and forcing a girl to marry her rapist if he daddy so chooses.
The church's reaction is ridiculous. They are trying to interfere in a civil matter.
01:12 on 30/01/2012
The Bible condones slavery. . . Slavery would then be legalized.

Killing your neighbor for working sundays is also suggested in the Bible.
Killing your wife for infidelity is also suggested in the Bible.

Do we need to go on about how ridiculous it is comparing the Bible to intelligent laws designed to protect?

And further, from a person of color to suggest using the Bible as a tool for discrimination is disgusting and reprehensible and totally hypocritical.
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14:33 on 30/01/2012
And let us not forget if your teenager talks back to you they should be brought into the public square and stoned to death................

If a woman wearrs "gold and baubles" time to off Granny and dear old Mom also.......................

Disgusting how these religious zealots cherry pick obscure passages to shield and "justify" their hate...............
23:26 on 29/01/2012
"I don't want to redefine very clear social structures that have been in existence for a long time."
You mean like the wife being utterly subservient to the husband? Or children being the virtual property of their father? Or of daughters being forced into marriages they do not want? Or various forms of involuntary servitude or child labor? The State changed those very clear social structures as well.

Yes Archbishop Sentamu, I suppose that you could characterize it as "changing tradition." And in this case that is a good and wonderful thing.
22:22 on 29/01/2012
Personally, I was expecting better from the bish, here are some of my thoughts -- http://olivermeredithcox.wordpress.com/2012/01/29/achbishop-ad-antiquitum/
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16:26 on 03/02/2012
Really enjoyed reading that Oliver, fanned and faved!
16:56 on 03/02/2012
Thank you very much, I'm glad!
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22:15 on 29/01/2012
As always, marriage is a legal contract.

As per the article: "The Government is proposing to legalise same-sex civil marriages in register offices. This will not affect churches.

"The Archbishop has no valid grounds for objecting to civil legislation that will ensure marriage equality for all couples."

Bluster all he wants, religion no longer rules England. Marriage equality will happen.
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Valksy
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12:36 on 30/01/2012
It will happen, but not until the churches have been as sadistic and cruel as they can be, vilified LGBT people and made the process as long and combative as possible.

There is not, and never has been, a suggestion that churches be forced to accommodate LGBT couples or perform ceremonies. Although some are willing to do so (and, indeed, are campaigning that forcing compliance to CoE dogma contravenes their religious freedom).
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Zariana
For SCIENCE!!!
22:04 on 29/01/2012
You mean like when Henry VIII couldn't get his marriage invalidated and split from the Catholic Church? Ironic that your religion was founded in part because a secular leader wanted to violate the biblical concept of the no-divorce marriage, eh Bishop?
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Valksy
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12:36 on 30/01/2012
Now now, you know it isn't fair to use facts against their supernatural hocus pocus.
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Lord Justice Wolf
22:00 on 29/01/2012
And one more thing, this is not about suddenly having some religious geek telling us what we can and can't do!! Thats utter nonsense. This isn't America were religious freaks crop up on every street corner. This arch bishop was elected by fellow archbishops to speak for them? It would look kinda funny if hundreds of bishops turned up to say the same thing. So the church asked one man to carry forth the message. A spokesman so to speak. He is not speaking for thousands of people he is speaking about what is written in the bible and saying the church is for marrying a man and a woman and god preaches about the unity of man and woman and this is were it should take place in the house of god. Gay's can get married somewhere else but leave the church out of it. By Cameron saying the church must allow it, then priests around the country face a dilemma, the bible says no, if they are made to do it by law, then what next? reporting what is said in the confessional box? Because the law says you must? refuse and you discriminate so face a law suit?
00:28 on 30/01/2012
The proposed law is about civil marriage and allowing same-sex marriage in those congregations that have demanded the right to legally marry gay couples, including the Quakers, the Unitarians and the Liberal Jews. Nowhere in the proposed legislation does it say that Anglican churches would be compelled to perform these ceremonies. Currently Catholic churches refuse to marry divorcees for example and they are well within their rights to do so. This law is not about telling churches who they MUST marry, it's telling them who they CAN marry.
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13:37 on 30/01/2012
perhaps you should read the article:

"The Government is proposing to legalise same-sex civil marriages in register offices. This will not affect churches."

Many gay people have absolutely no interest in a church wedding, but that is a far different proposal than having the same rights under law because you have the same civil marriage as anyone else.
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Lord Justice Wolf
18:43 on 30/01/2012
Then I stand corrected and am richer for being enlightened, the way I seen it is the Archbishop had been chosen as the voice to talk to Cameron. The Church has its book which has pretty much been constant for awhile now and when the book preachers about the unity of one man and one women in gods house then that is what he wants to do. If a politician steps in and tells him he can marry the two same sex's in a church and he doesn't want to say because he religion or the good book forbids it, then the two gay people will sue the church for racist behaviour. Just like the two gay people did in Cornwall when the religious B&B owner refused a double room to two gays they sued and won as it was deemed discriminatory. Politics should allow the church to make its rules and stay out of it. Lets face it, the church's rules have been pretty constant for a few years unlike politicians.
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20:46 on 29/01/2012
i read the part in the goodbook where it says gaysCan not marry or have Social Security survivorship, near the part about plowing the streets and keeping the water clean and safe, etc etc