Gary Dobson And David Norris Lodge Appeals Against Stephen Lawrence Convictions

Gary Dobson David Norris

First Posted: 30/01/2012 17:12 Updated: 30/01/2012 20:27

Gary Dobson and David Norris, the two men jailed for the racist murder of black teenager Stephen Lawrence, are to appeal against their convictions.

Dobson, 36, who was sentenced to at least 15 years and two months at the Old Bailey last month, has already begun the process, the Court of Appeal confirmed.

It is understood that co-accused David Norris will also seek to appeal, but papers have not yet been lodged at the Court of Appeal.

Norris, 35, was given a minimum of 14 years and three months for the murder, which the trial judge, Mr Justice Treacy, said was a "terrible and evil crime".

He urged police not to "close the file" on catching the rest of the killers after the court heard that a gang of five or six white youths set upon A-level student Stephen in Eltham, south east London, in 1993.

Mr Justice Treacy said the murder was committed "for no other reason than racial hatred".

On the day of the sentencing Mr Lawrence's father Neville told reporters outside court that he hoped the pair would "give up the rest of the people" involved.

His mother Doreen said the sentences were "quite low", but she appreciated the judge's hands were tied and she would now "start moving on".

In court, Mr Justice Treacy called the killing "a terrible and evil crime", and quoted the Lord Chief Justice who said it was a "murder which scarred the conscience of the nation".

Mr Justice Treacy told the pair: "A totally innocent 18-year-old youth on the threshold of a promising life was brutally cut down in the street in front of eyewitnesses by a racist, thuggish gang.

"You were both members of that gang. I have no doubt at all that you fully subscribed to its views and attitudes."

The evidence in the trial could not prove who wielded the knife, but he said that whoever used it had done so with Dobson and Norris's "knowledge and approval".

Neither of them had shown "the slightest regret or remorse" since the murder and they had both lied to the court.

The Metropolitan Police faced fierce criticism of the original investigation into Mr Lawrence's death.

A public inquiry branded the force institutionally racist and claims were made by Mr and Mrs Lawrence's lawyers that some officers were influenced by Norris' former drugs baron father.

The breakthrough in the investigation came when a cold case team of forensic scientists were called in.

They found tiny traces of blood, hair and fibres on clothing seized from Dobson and Norris' homes.

The defence had claimed that the material got there via contamination, but this was rejected by the jury.

During the trial, which began on 14 November, they were shown police surveillance footage from 1994 of Dobson and Norris using racial slurs.

In the film Norris also launched into a violent tirade about how he would kill and torture black people.

As they were led away, Dobson told the jury: "You have condemned an innocent man here. I hope you can live with yourselves."

His mother Pauline called out from the public gallery above: "He didn't kill that man."

Both men continue to protest their innocence. Stephen Batten QC, for Norris, told the court that he maintains he was not there at the time of the attack.

Updated: 20:21, 30 January 2012

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Gary Dobson and David Norris, the two men jailed for the racist murder of black teenager Stephen Lawrence, are to appeal against their convictions. Dobson, 36, who was sent...
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07:56 on 15/02/2012
I loved Doereen Lawrence after the trial saying that if this was a white kid they would have investigated properly. What rot they have spent untold millions on Lawrence they have changed the law enacted old laws unused for a hundred years just to appease the mob . I for one feel ashamed that this is justice in Britain.
01:59 on 16/02/2012
They dont investigate white kids maimed and murdered by black gangs as much as the saturation coverage by Steven lawrence, a quick short note in the newspapers or TV then gone the next, i hope the media will give fair covered to any Person white or black with the same vigour they did on this one, and "Yes" all of these white men are guilty not just those 2 and i hope they all get the same, like many more of any creed or colour justice must be seen to be done properly, every life lost is important and the Media should cover "All" with the same coverage, that way it will it will satisfy "everyone" that justice is seen to be carried out properly in "Every" case.
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Norman Mitchison
13:40 on 31/01/2012
How much more will this cost the taxpayer through Legal Aid?
16:27 on 31/01/2012
until justice is seen to have prevailed.Put yourself or one of your family in the same position as these two men.Make no mistake-this conviction is unsafe and the guilty verdict was guaranteed before the trial started-the media saw to that.
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cynic123
10:06 on 31/01/2012
I say let them appeal. They have shown no remorce for what they have done. So let them appeal and let the Judge give them longer in gaol.
16:24 on 31/01/2012
the point is that on the evidence it cannot safely be concluded that they did anything.If someone stabs someone,is it feasible that only one minute particle of blood ends up on his clothes ? or could the blood speck have been the result of contamination whilst the garment was in police custody for 18 years.That is the real question that needs to be answered.
07:18 on 31/01/2012
The video was already in the public domain, and a legitimate piece of evidence which conveyed a damning behaviourial trend over the years, - it was also not an unseen footage. These men were not kindly working class jack the lads, as one of them tried to portray himself or as depicted by the defence. They were thugs with a reputation for vicious racist behaviour in their locality, they should accept their fate and stop wasting tax payers money.
16:34 on 31/01/2012
They may well have been eveything you say,but that does not automatically make them murderers.They have been subjected to the worst aspects of British justice and on the relevant evidence alone,they should not have been convicted.Mrs Lawrence handed in a piece of paper to the police which said who the killers were-Norris` name was not even on the list.The person who dealt the fatal blow to Stephen had, according to all of the witnesses,dyed blonde hair.None of the so-called 5 guilty men had blonde hair.How can this conviction be SAFE ?
06:17 on 31/01/2012
What a 'fit up' that trial was,the judge should have ruled the video inadmissible,as it had no relevance to the murder. The way they 'Mail' accused them,there was no chance of a fair trial. This whole affair reminds me of 'Mccathyism' in the states in the fifties,keep going till you get someone. British justice,don't make me laugh.
13:35 on 31/01/2012
Thank you Mr Justice I don't have a clue
04:02 on 31/01/2012
Forgive my ignorance, I didn't know they were drug-dealing gangsters.
They deserve all they get, whether or not it was rigged, which it probably was.
They've caused misery to many. Let them experience some.
Not only that; but take EVERYTHING they own from them!
They have not worked for it.
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09:58 on 31/01/2012
I take it you don't believe in the concept of law.
10:12 on 31/01/2012
Are you saying that these men have been known to deal in drugs therefore it`s ok to convict them of murder,regardless of whether they are guilty or not ?? I`m afraid that you and people like you are part of the problem.
03:41 on 31/01/2012
guilty or not they have afair chance on appeal, because it would have been quite hard to find a jury, who had not read a newspaper article or seen a T V programme heard about it on the radio, saw the lawrence family on T V all of them had cast the guilty verdict on them. That could lead to a unfair trial.of course young steven was also treated unfairly, but perhaps the press should learn not to convict people before the courts have dealt with them, the police are also very poor at this when they make there minds up colin stagg, barry george, also judged guilty by the police officers who most likely released or sold information to the press regarding these two plus many more wrongly convicted people. Not saying if these two are gulity or not but between the press the family and the police they may just have given them the loophole they so badly needed
13:37 on 31/01/2012
And how do they get around the forensic evidence in this case?
18:37 on 31/01/2012
i have not questioned the forensic evidence at all ? although it would not be the first time, the police fitted someone up. For me any murder is a awfull murder, but the amount of press, and police families and lawyers statements, seem to have given them a chance of
a mis trial. As only the other day a juror was jailed for researching the accused on the internet, and then disscussing it. And this case as been put to the front of peoples minds on a weekly basis for years. its been a mess from the start bad police work, lawyers who wanted to see themselves on the T V to promote themselves, the press looking for a headline,and the family washing there problems out in public. DNA is a great thing by why so long in finding it ?
02:48 on 31/01/2012
A nasty pair from a clan of well known south London gangsters, they got convicted but they'll play the game to the end.
08:25 on 31/01/2012
I wonder if you live in Eltham and know them personally or if you got your information about well known gangsters from the media.
13:39 on 31/01/2012
Can't wait until they charge the 'other people'
10:04 on 03/02/2012
The court reports in the media, my wife grew up in the east-end when the Krays were rampant. There were plenty of fools who thought that they were Robin Hood & Dick Turpin reincarnated rather than the thugs they were. Nothings changed in Eltham it seems.
01:17 on 31/01/2012
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stevesheff
00:46 on 31/01/2012
from conversations with ex-prisoners I gather that for some lodging an appeal is simply a way of occupying their time while giving themselves some hope.of release. What have they to lose? The state pays the costs - worth a punt!
00:52 on 31/01/2012
thats true, but few ever have as good a chance as these of actually winning
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22:04 on 30/01/2012
I do hope that these things use their own money and not the taxpayers.
22:55 on 30/01/2012
British justice and legal aid is there for everyone.Remember how Colin Stagg and Barry George were painted as monsters by the press and as a result never received a fair trial.Both man were later proved innocent.
00:54 on 31/01/2012
very true and those darlings of the the left the brum 6 etc
20:57 on 31/01/2012
alan you are quite correct, I let my disgust at the crime overcome my sense.
Apologies all.
08:27 on 31/01/2012
They are not THINGS and they will be using taxpayers money to fight this unjust verdict.
21:00 on 31/01/2012
Given their previous history I would not like to be associated with them.
Even if found not guilty of thies crime upon appeal, they are still pretty obnoxious examples of a shallow gene pool.
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minimemo
Can I be your friend...if they let me out...
21:07 on 30/01/2012
Would love to know publicly (as we pay for it) what grounds they have for appeal....
00:54 on 31/01/2012
very dodgy forensics.
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Euroview
01:12 on 31/01/2012
You, continuing to question the forensics does not make it questionable.
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stevesheff
00:55 on 31/01/2012
they're challenging the use of that covert video recording as evidence in the trial. The video depicted them as violent racists with a fascination with knives but there's the question of whether this can be used as evidence that they killed Stephen Lawrence. I wondered at the time why this evidence of racism was being used in a murder trial. It would seem that their defence counsel did not successfully challenge the admissibliity of this evidence at the pre-trial stage.
13:46 on 31/01/2012
Did they not challenge admissibility of evidence before the court of appeal and lost? I think that they challenged the forensic evidence. I would have though that they would have to challenge that because that was the most convincing evidence. Once the court had allowed the forensic I believe the judge was then entitiled to allow the video evidence (obtained lawfully) to add to that and can't be faulted in this respect.
I understand they called no expert evidence to dispute the prosecution's forensic evidence. In my view they have no real prospect of a successful appeal.
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outlawjames8
20:18 on 30/01/2012
Can someone explain the odd sentence times? Why add a few months ?
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minimemo
Can I be your friend...if they let me out...
21:08 on 30/01/2012
Good old British justice system..if I can ever fathom it, I'll let you know :/
21:18 on 30/01/2012
Bearing in mind their ages at the time the crime was committed and time served whilst being held in prison on remand pending trial this was the maximum penalty the law could impose -that is why the few months are involved - it was in effect 16 years and 15 years less time served
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outlawjames8
22:33 on 30/01/2012
Thanks, that makes sense.
20:05 on 30/01/2012
The Daily Mail named four of them, and were prepared to be sued in court for doing so..