Term Time School Holidays 'To Be Banned'

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First Posted: 19/02/2012 09:14 Updated: 19/02/2012 09:24   PA

Education Secretary Michael Gove is to crack down on parents who take children out of school to go on holiday.

Headteachers will lose the ability to sanction up to two weeks a year of "authorised absence" during term time, in a new drive to improve attendance rates, according to The Sunday Telegraph.

The discretionary absence is intended to cover illness, bad weather and bereavements, but many heads come under pressure to grant it so that children can be taken on holidays at times when it is cheaper.

The move, to be accompanied by tougher fines for parents of children who regularly play truant, follows a review of school discipline and attendance by teacher and behaviour expert Charlie Taylor.

It is thought that 4.5 million days of schooling are missed by pupils going on holidays, which are often significantly more expensive during school breaks.

Brian Lightman, general secretary of the Association of School and College Leaders representing secondary school heads, said: "The discretionary 10 days has become a bit of a cultural expectation with parents viewing it as a right in some cases. It is not.

"Children only have one chance to get their education right and for schools to do their best for pupils, it is essential that children have good attendance. Parents taking children out to go on holiday just to get a good deal is disruptive and makes life very difficult for teachers."

A Department for Education spokeswoman said: "This is a leak and we are not commenting on a leak."

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10:38 PM on 02/25/2012
I come from a country where children start school at 7 (part-time for the first year as well) and children get THREE months off in summer. Some primary schools also give Reception children extra time off in winter if they feel they are getting too tired. Childcare is cheaper than in the UK and there are various summer holiday camps to choose from. It is also quite common for Grandparents to help out with childcare on a regular basis. Many Grandparents look after their grandchildren full time for long periods in summer to help out. Children are not adults and need extra time to rest and relax. I think it's amazing that some parents would like their children's school holidays be the same as adults' A/L to make sure they are better prepared for work life and get better education. So doing 6 hours of work five times a week from the age of four is not enough preparation for adult life and not long enough to get good education? Someone even suggested that lunch and snack breaks were a waste of time? I have two children and I will keep taking them out of school to go back home to spend quality time with their family abroad and to make sure that my children are part of my home country's culture as well as British culture.
01:10 PM on 02/20/2012
It's alright the Government telling us to stop taking our children out of school term time, but what they should be doing is stopping the travel companies from ripping parents off when it's school holidays. I have just booked a holiday and it was £1500 cheaper because it was 4 days before the school holidays. This would vastly reduce parents taking their children out of school. If anything the holidays at this time should be cheaper and more people would book.
01:57 PM on 02/20/2012
It's not the travel companies fault. They wouls much prefer to charge the same amount every week, but becuase parents are not allowed to go in term time the holidays are discounted then, and conversely because evreyone want's to go in school holiday time the price goes up then to balance the discounted weeks.
The problem is caused by the ridiculous teachers holiday. This should be modernised to fit in with normal workers lives, not the other way round. Neither teachers nor children need 13 weeks holiday every year.
Then travel coompanies would be able to charge similar prices interm amd out of term , and possibly not so many would go bust.
02:31 PM on 02/20/2012
Comments like your show how out of touch some people are regarding education. I am not a teacher, but I am involved with running children's groups and I know for a fact that children cannot operate for the length of time per year that some are suggesting they do.

I would propose one simple choice ~ If you want cheap holidays at any time of the year; don't have children. If you are prepared to put the time and effort into raising children properly (and that includes making sacrifices), then be prepared to pay for them and look after them properly and don't just s palm-them-off on child-minders and schools, but take full responsibility yourself.

I also know many, many teachers who start work at 7:30 in the morning, have no real break in the day and get home at 7:30 to 8:00 at night. They then work on weekends doing marking and lesson preparation. The same applies over the holidays as it does to weekends for them.

One final comment ~ if people are so 'in awe' of teacher's holidays [and pensions], then why don't they re-train and become one?
10:59 AM on 02/20/2012
Of course its ok for teachers to have their teacher training days on school days (forcing absence), when they could have held it during half term or the summer holidays. Of course they get so few holidays compared with the rest of us - bless. Not to mention strike time over their inflated pensions that most people can only dream about.

My experience of schools nowadays is that they try to use the kids to weedle money out of parents at every given opportunity. No wonder parents need to book holidays during term time to save money.

Its a total farce. Teachers have got to big for their boots and so have the Government. Whose children are they? Im not condoning people who allow persistent truancy take the action against them, but an occassional one week off for a financially pushed family doesnt hurt. In fact for the stability of family life and the health of children its actually a good thing.
08:28 AM on 02/20/2012
Many have 1 or more weeks off throughout the year with a bad cold etc so 1 or 2 weeks, if planned responsibly is not an issue and the holiday is part of their education! It should be up to individual families to take responsibility and account for their child making up for the missed lessons and work.
We homeschooled successfully and what freedom it gave us!
07:24 AM on 02/20/2012
What about parents who are separated and one parent is only allowed to see their child when it is most convenient for the other i.e. not in school holidays? This may sound far-fetched - believe me, it's not!!
01:37 AM on 02/20/2012
Which is why my children are in a private school where family time is allowed! My kids are at the top of their classes and my daughter just skipped a grade, vacations WORK!
12:18 AM on 02/20/2012
Whilst I sympathise with parents over the cost of holidays during the school breaks, it would not help the continuity of teaching if children were taken out of school at any time between January and December just to get the right price or for the sake of convenience. If everybody did this, imagine the mayhem!
05:44 AM on 02/20/2012
It's not just a matter of convenience. There are a lot of firms where employees are TOLD when they can have their holiday - are these people not to have any time off with their children? OR just not have children at all?
Where I work, only 2 people are allowed to be on holiday at any one time. So during the 6 week summer holiday (when people usually want to take a fortnight) that's only 6 people that can be on holiday altogether. So you get the scenario of people trying to book their time off 2 or 3 years ahead.
I would also point out that not all learning is done in school. My mother took me to Paris for short break before my O level French and it really helped with the oral exam (bearing in mind that Parisians expect you to not only speak French, but correct French)
01:59 PM on 02/20/2012
Why should there be mayhem, every company in the land does exactly that, juggling and balancing the 4/5 weeks holiday which each worker is allowed.

The teachers nor the children need 13 weeks holiday, they should be trained for future work and only have 5 weeks like the rest of us.
10:15 PM on 02/20/2012
Companies' do juggle holidays which is why, as superenigmatix commented above, you won't always get the dates you want. But an adult is much more likely to be able to catch up with work on his or her own ability when returning to work than a child who has been taken out of the school term and is returning, with the loss of two or three weeks education. In this situation, teachers have to take time out to bring the children up to speed. That's why it could cause a problem if hundreds of children were involved at different times.

If children only had 5 weeks holiday then this could potentially worsen the situation!
12:06 AM on 02/20/2012
I worked for a company who's policy was not to allow any leave to be taken during school holidays... their reasoning being.. "well, if we let you have time off everyone will want time of during half term".. I know the company who I worked for is not the only one using this policy. Are the conservatives now trying to take away the right to spend any time with our children away from us?
06:38 AM on 02/20/2012
When I had my business, our busiest time was during the summer/school holiday period and we could not afford to employ people with school age children although they were exactly the people we wanted but it would have broken us.
11:55 PM on 02/19/2012
Forgot to say in my previous post that Education Secretary Michael Grove is only treating the symptom and not the cause with this ridiculous proposal. Dig a little deeper Mr Grove and start laying down some laws to stop the holiday industry from ripping us all off with their over inflated prices for holidays during the school holiday time. Then you will soon see a drastic reduction in the number of children taken out of school to go on holiday with their families.
It really isn't rocket science or brain surgery....just common sense
(but then again thats something politicians seem to lack anyway!!!!)
06:38 AM on 02/20/2012
100% Correct!!
02:05 PM on 02/20/2012
I agree with your criticism of Gove, but I don't agree with your solution.
Its not the travel companies to blame, they would much rather a level reuqirements for holidays, so that they did not have to discount the 39 weeks when parents can't go on holiday.
The archaic teachers holiday system is to blame, neither they nor children need 13 weeks holiday. Not only does it cause the holiday problem, but it also causes latchkey kids, small businesses also struggle to find staff and some won't employ parents, and make children expect long holidays when they join the real world, and also wastes 2 years education time.
Teachers and their childrens holidays should be 5 weeks like the rest of us, and all these problems would reduce dramatically.
11:47 PM on 02/19/2012
My daughter is in year 13 (upper 6th form) and studying for her final A levels, yet even at this most important time,lessons are frequently cancelled due to teachers suddenly not being available for one reason or another.
And why one earth do schools give two and a half weeks holiday during Easter which is a religious 4 day holiday???
And what exactly is an "inset" day??? because along with these we also have "teacher training days".
Seems to me that pupils can miss out on many hours/days/weeks of education if it suits the teacher/school and it all seems to be very one sided in favour of the school.
06:31 AM on 02/20/2012
Dont have children, but agree with your comments.

We do not have children and cannot afford to go away in school holiday time. The costs must be astronomical for a family of 4/5, so unfair. I agree that the holiday industry should be slammed for their pricing structure overall.

Continuity in school is important, but the area the government should be concentrating on is truancy and the parents that dont have any control over their children.
02:07 PM on 02/20/2012
The holiday industry are also victims not the culprits, they don't set the holiday times, teachers do. Schools don't go out of business but plenty of travel companies have.
Reduce the teachers holidays to 5 weeks like the rest of us in the real world and holiday prices would soon come down.
11:45 PM on 02/19/2012
"Tougher fines" for parents who take their children on holiday???? "...parents viewing it as a right in some cases. It is not"....???? I find it disturbing that the Government is pushing legislation into this corner of family life. I really can't see that it's appropriate for schools/local government/social services/Government to start throwing their weight around because a child goes on maybe one holiday a year during term time. I'd go further to say it's quite pathetic to focus on that when there are children being seriously abused (and I don't count taking them on a fortnight to a campsite in the south of France as abuse) who those very same agencies fail to protect because they are apparently overburdened with cases!! A more cynical person may think the fines are just another revenue raiser....
12:53 AM on 02/20/2012
I know of one instance where a child is being regularly abused and Social Services say that the child is a happy child in a happy family home!
12:54 AM on 02/20/2012
Forgot to say in my last post the local authority is Scottish Borders.
06:40 AM on 02/20/2012
WTF has this information got to do with the topic....
11:23 PM on 02/19/2012
Many parents cannot get holidays in term time. For others the cost of a term time holiday is prohibitive. And anyway holidays provide just as many learning experiences as school does-they are just different ones. Since the National Curriculum came into being, teaching has lost the flexibility and spontaneity that it used to have and lots of learning experiences have been lost. Holidays and family time can provide a lot of learning opportunities.
11:22 PM on 02/19/2012
Contrary to the manipulated beliefs held here preventing children being taken out of school is not for the sake of teachers but for the children not on holiday. The ones who have their education disrupted when teachers have to take time out to help the absent little darlings of ignorant parents catch up. Just think about it.
11:11 PM on 02/19/2012
If we cannot take our children on holiday during school term time, then is it not about time that the government started to dish out fines to holiday firms etc who unjustly rip us all off when you look at the cost of a holiday at the beginning of June./July vs middle of August.
In some cases the cost can be double from one week before / after the holiday times - if they did that then i would not have a problem, but they wont, because its too easy to fine parents
11:00 PM on 02/19/2012
dictatorship of a govermment.lets give millions of pounds of compensation to illegal asylum seekers children.they will be able to have nice holidays in term time,with the taxpayers money,mugs we are!!!!!!!