Government Overturns Lords On Bedroom Tax Amendments

Bedroom Tax Commons

The Huffington Post UK   First Posted: 21/02/2012 16:13 Updated: 21/02/2012 18:35

The Commons has voted to overturn objections to the so-called "Bedroom Tax" from the House of Lords for a second time, in the latest twist in the long-running battle within Parliament over the Welfare Reform Bill.

Last week Peers voted by a majority of ten to introduce a new amendment to the Bill, which would still exempt many families in social housing with a spare bedroom from the cut in benefits. The crossbench peer Lord Best, who was behind the original bid to water down the bedroom tax, made a concession to ministers, and he claimed in the Lords that rather than costing the taxpayer £200m, the total cost would now be around £100m.

On Tuesday evening MPs voted to reject the compromise amendment from the Lords by 316 to 263.

Defending for the government, employment minister Chris Grayling said it was impossible to justify a millon spare bedrooms when there were so many families living in temporary accommodation. He said spare rooms in council housing were a "luxury" which couldn't be afforded when so many children in the UK didn't have a stable and secure roof over their heads.

"Had the Blair government continued to build social housing at the same rate as the Major government, we would have seen an extra 300,000 families in social housing. They didn't, and now we are dealing with the consequences of the decisions made 15 years ago."

"This is not the world of fifteen years ago, this is a world when we've come into government with empty coffers."

However housing experts warn that the bedroom tax, if passed in the way the government wishes - would only make the housing crisis in the UK worse. The Chartered Institute of Housing has warned that ministers are failing to listen to the concerns of those who know social housing best, and have urged a rethink.

Tory MP for Brigg and Goole Andrew Percy was among coalition backbenchers who voted against the government. He made his intention to rebel clear in the debate prior to the vote.

He told HuffPost UK: "I'm not convinced there is alternative accommodation for people affected by this to go into, so I don't think the savings will be achieved. We should apply similar rules to these sorts of people as we've applied to the benefits cap.

"Pensioners are already exempt, and there is a risk with this that we move the focus away from trying to support pensioners, to free up family homes. So actually by chasing after these people, we fail to do a more sensible policy which is to try and support other groups which are under-occupying."

Labour's shadow Treasury minister Stephen Timms told MPs that seriously ill people would be penalised. "Take a hypothetical example of a couple, one of whom is dying of cancer. They are in the Employment and Support Allowance Support Group, for people who aren’t expected to work again. That’s one of the four specific groups this amendment would protect.

"The couple has a spare bedroom in their two bedroom council house, because their child moved out recently. They’d be very happy to move to a one bedroomed council or housing association flat, but none is available.

"Under the Minister’s policy, that couple will be penalised – on average, by £12 per week."

Former Labour welfare minister Frank Field said the Bedroom Tax was a "nasty, mean little measure" that could penalise couples who didn't sleep in the same room because one of them had a chronic snoring problem. He told MPs that such problems did not appear in public accounts but did appear in real lives. "it may well drive out of the community those upstanding citizens who play a role in combating the yob culture that engulfs them."

Field went on: "Being able to have a spare bedroom in which you can offer hospitality to your family and your friends can make a such a difference to the quality of one's life. The government knows it goes against a valuable tradition that goes back to the Macmillian era. It will be looked on as an eviction measure."

The Lords is currently in recess so will be unable to consider its response to the latest developments in the Commons until next week.

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The Commons has voted to overturn objections to the so-called "Bedroom Tax" from the House of Lords for a second time, in the latest twist in the long-running battle within Parliament over the Welfare...
The Commons has voted to overturn objections to the so-called "Bedroom Tax" from the House of Lords for a second time, in the latest twist in the long-running battle within Parliament over the Welfare...
 
 
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04:12 PM on 04/07/2013
the tories are in the long process of scrapping council housing
they wouldn't actually care if we all ended up on the streets or in tents
the local elections are in may I believe
two other parties are rubbish
I think people power is the only way
peaceful that is
03:19 PM on 02/22/2013
And the MP's with 2 or more houses ?
03:00 PM on 02/09/2013
not only will the poorest who are on the minimum amount that the law states you need to live on have to pay for spare rooms but will also have to pay 25% of they council tax bill, round about £20 or more a week making the poor poorer. also if every couple asked to be moved into a 1 bedroom house the councils would not be able to move every one. also it would mean grandparents would not be able to have the grandkids stay over. this government just do not care about the lower class even those working will be worse off
12:03 AM on 02/03/2013
I will do as I did witht the poll-tax. I will not pay it, certainly not since we are so poor. The rich got a 5% tax break - or a 5% pay-rise, it really depends on your point of view.
05:11 AM on 04/28/2012
Tax on social housing? Do we mean houses the public pays for? By that token we should tax DC & Co for empty rooms in Downing Street etc, etc. I would tax the National Trust empty houses tax in addition to empty room tax. This all sounds like a really good idea to me, however the real tax dodgers (the Eton Mess et al) currently hold all the power in UK Ltd.
07:41 PM on 03/05/2012
ahh cant post ... nothin pendin .. so boloks bout your comment pending ...you just dont want top print personaly, we will proberbly be forced into a 2 bed ..which will mean i will have no bedroom as my boys, on medical grounds, need seperate rooms (which is why we were alocated a 3 bed in the first place) so im going to end up on my own sofa .... whoopeee i think the welfare reform is just another way of funding all the non uk that are still ariving in droves. it is despicable that the govt is fraping our country, surly they must be breaching some U.N. laws??????
12:10 AM on 03/01/2012
David Cameron and his croonies have no compassion whatever for anyone who is struggling with life's problems or who try and live a Christian existence. But remember this Mr Cameron that the wheel of fate will turn and you will then reap what you have so wrongly sown and the harvest will be one of misery and regrets.

I just hope that we will have an outstanding opposition leader soon who will shoot this government's policies down in flames and reduce Cameron and Co to the depths of darkness they so richly deserve.
07:45 PM on 03/05/2012
it hasnt been christian for years agressive secularism and muslims took over
05:39 PM on 02/22/2012
Well we firstly saw a one time PM Margaret Thatcher "Sell - Off" Local Authority Sector Housing at a reduced knock - down price, while today at NO price can everybody find a Public Sector House at ease to comply with another Con Government's Bed - Room Tax level requirement.

Where are ALL these spare Council Houses with the right amount of Bed - Rooms to be found???
07:47 PM on 03/05/2012
ive been looking and i cant find any 2 beds except flats....
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03:20 PM on 02/22/2012
This is from people who own spare houses never mind spare bedrooms!
02:55 PM on 02/22/2012
the issue on bedroom tax is targeting social housing. social housing is not just about council housing and social private housing associaitons run by charities it is against low income families and disabled who need a spare room for people who have to stay and provide care.

housing benefit is paid for the amount of rooms used in a house. if you live in a three bedroomed rented house you only get money for 2 rooms.

the government don't care about empty houses unoccupied or derelict which could be done up they again look at benefits. many people are on benefits and have worked and due to no fault of their own found themselves disabled or out of work or homeless and have had to use social housing and benefit to be able to pay rent.

what about taxing second housing for mp's and also taxing how many bedrooms are not used. this would solve the defecit in the governments bank account. and give working class people a break. there are elderly living in council houses on their own who won't move and may of been born in the house. they are exempt. and would be better off in more suitable housing but many want to stay until they die. the government should provide more new build empty housing that is unaffordable as new council houses.
08:27 PM on 03/05/2012
i agree , or what do the knobs say, "here here"......... it is another conspiracy.... why dont they get the tax evaders , oh , i forgot there rich and all chums with the knobs

now they want to re;press by taking our living space or/and money.....they errode at our humanity
02:15 PM on 10/08/2012
This Government are incapable at looking at the bigger picture, they are looking to snatch pockets of money without thinking the process through, hence the U Turns (NHS, Defence etc.) It has cost us millions in wasted effort and no one has been held to account. I agree in regard to empty houses, we have prisons full of volunteer workers to help turn them around, we have schools full of adolescents who would welcome trade (City & Guilds) training and qualifications to help turn these around, We could even Build more housing with this sort of workforce to help turn this around, but NO this Government want to cut benefits to grab money? is there any little grey cells at No: 10????
02:26 PM on 02/22/2012
The sheer meanness of Conservative thinking shows NO Passion at all when it comes to the idea that those Claiming Hosing Benefit must conform to a strict regime of having NO Spare Capacity to have a spare Bed - Room to have a friend, or relative over to stay.

For indeed this Millionaire Set of the Self - Conserve in Government each have more Spare HOUSES, including an array of spare Bed - Room accommodation gained at the expense of receiving a Wage from the same Tax - Payer's whereby many of whom who are also receiving support from Housing Benefit while doing what amounts to a Job of "every little helps" if they are lucky enough and are being paid for having a REAL living Wage.

On top of this notion that a Bed - Room Tax is good for Furniture Removal Companies, to move the population around the UK too fit in with the needs for a Home with NO Spare Bed - Room's, begs the Question as to where are all the Houses to be found that are tailored built and made to suit every individual needs, from a single pensioner, to a large family in every Town, and City up and down the UK, for should you NOT be able to find such a Property to Rent that fit's the Government needs, then by default you will lose Housing Benefit for not being able to find any alternative accommodation.
09:45 AM on 03/02/2012
this is a repeat of the window tax of the eighteenth century, it was wrong then and this bedroom tax is wrong now...don't these miserable, overpaid mummy's boys in power, who have not had one day of hardship in their lives realise just what they are doing...NHS changes alone should have this lot put against the wall and shot.
02:18 PM on 10/08/2012
It's only Mr Grayling, he does not count, he's only caretaking this post, he'll be off soon in another shuffle once David realises the lack of progress this cabinet are achieving.
02:04 PM on 02/22/2012
If I was a Lib Dem MP I would hang my head in shame for supporting this policy. Who would consider voting for The Lib Dems after supporting such an indecent, nasty, vindictive and mean policy? I always believed the Lib Dems were above this, the need for power has dragged them into the sewer and the stench will linger long after the coalition has gone.
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03:23 PM on 02/22/2012
no one, Clegg yesterday talking about this workfare thing showed just how much of a tory he has become.
09:46 AM on 03/02/2012
well said.
01:56 PM on 02/22/2012
Absurd and indecent, has Grayling considered there may be medical reasons for requiring an extra room, what about those who share the caring responsibilities for elderly parents particularly those with dementia and require a spare room? Not everyone in a relationship shares a bed, Grayling is saying that if you are in social housing and declare you are a couple you must either share a bedroom or lose benefit. By doing so he does not take into account the nature of the relationship and has no valid definition of couple, unless to be called a couple one is required to share the same bedroom in which case the Queen has been living in sin for years.
12:44 PM on 02/22/2012
this goverment has no shame, there are not elected and still insist in forcing through laws that few if any support.. only goes to prove and show to everyone there arrogance...
Does Camoron realise he is making his party unelectable for at least another 15 years? or does he even care ..........
02:40 PM on 02/22/2012
I agree, for I would like to hear from any Conservative loving, and totally brainwashed individual as to the merits as to why would / should ANY Conservative state that they CARE, while at every turn they are always doing in reality, the complete opposite with ALL the issues that always effect those less able to fend for themselves???

So indeed, why is it that the RICH always see the Majority Poor as being a burden upon Society, when the Minority RICH are NEVER backwards in taking more out of Society in terms of REAL Cash, through accident of Birth, and by coming from an already RICH Family, which should somehow entitle them to suggest that Poor People should always be made to live with less, with the taking from the Poor, to give to the Rich???
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12:42 PM on 02/22/2012
How many of their Lordships have offered their spare rooms to the needy?