Schools Will Struggle To Recruit Teachers If Regional Pay Goes Ahead, Claims ATL Union

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Schools may struggle to recruit teachers if the regional pay plan is introduced

Schools could struggle to recruit staff if government plans to introduce regional pay for public-sector workers goes ahead, teachers are expected to warn on Tuesday.

Teachers are expected to warn government plans to introduce regional pay for public-sector workers could leave schools struggling to recruit staff and open the door to industrial action.

Delegates at the Association of Teachers and Lecturers' (ATL) annual conference in Manchester are due to debate a resolution raising concerns over the government's bid to reduce the role of the School Teachers' Review Body (STRB) - which currently deals with pay and conditions - and move to regional rates.

They will claim the move will also open the door to industrial action.

Kim Knappett, of Forest Hill School in London and a member of ATL's executive committee, said she believed the proposals would lead to a reduction of pay.

Knappett, who is due to second the motion, said: "I think in some of the regions, what the challenge would be, is if they were to look at what's paid locally, then they would look at public-sector workers and say 'reduce their pay'. That would cause problems in supply and demand in teaching."

She added: "Quite often people do not live and work in the same place, so you're going to have people saying I can't afford to teach there because I'll have less money, because I live there."

Knappett said the union wants the system to be "fair and transparent, we don't want it to be unjust and opaque".
She also warned that there could be regional industrial action over the issue in the future.

"I think if it started to look like it was age or subject related, and it started to be specific areas, we could see action," Knappett said.

The resolution says that ATL should "defend robustly" existing national pay structures for the teaching profession.

In her speech to the conference yesterday, ATL president Alice Robinson said the political landscape has changed "significantly in a very short space of time".

"A government determined to undermine the pay and conditions of the teaching profession through their attempts to introduce regional pay and reduce the autonomy of the School Teachers' Review Body (STRB)," she said.

"This, let us be clear, has only one objective - to drive down salaries of teachers in large parts of the country, and ultimately the funding received by schools in those areas.

"Why should a teacher of key stage 2 be paid more or less than a key stage 4 teacher? Why should a teacher in Lancashire with the same experience and progression, receive less than a teacher in Leicestershire?"

Speaking last week, ATL general secretary Dr Mary Bousted said that the union will be giving evidence to the STRB, which has been asked by ministers to look at home regional pay could be introduced.

She said that there is currently a national pay system for teachers with four pay bands - inner London, outer London, the London fringe, which includes parts of the home counties, and the rest of England and Wales.

"We would rather keep the current banding system than have a free-for-all with schools setting pay school by school," Bousted said.

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03:46 PM on 04/12/2012
For those who think this is a great idea because it's the same as the private sector. No it isn't. It will affect the quality of teaching in more deprived areas, and the 'nice leafy' areas like Pricky Micky Gove's local Surrey will get more money even though it probably isn't needed because the schools and teachers don't have the same social issues to deal with.
Also, you should understand that the government will get parents and the private sector behind this for teaching first, because you all think we have it so easy (even though, if we did, you'd do the job). As soon as it's implemented in teaching, it will be forced through in the NHS, meaning again the the richer areas will get the best care and facilities.
Where schools and hospitals fail in deprived areas because of lack of funding and good quality staff, private companies will be brought in, et voila National Privatisation of everything.
Then you'll all be asking yourselves what you actually pay for in your taxes.
10:27 AM on 04/04/2012
If you want to see the state of education in this country ,take some time out and read the adds in papers like Gumtree or the free adds ,look at the spelling on how they describe the items
This will give you a good idea of the nations education .
03:41 PM on 04/12/2012
The education system is good actually. It's the parenting that is lacking. If a parent does nothing to interact or help their child with basic reading and writing before they start school at 5, then they are essentially always 5 years behind other students. This happens mostly in deprived areas, where regional pay will affect both quality of teacher the school can pay for, and the funding the school has to support these specific learning needs. Also, if you are going to comment on education, literacy and grammar in such a superior way, make sure you put commas and full-stops in the correct place and capitalise letters at the start of each sentence.
09:04 PM on 04/03/2012
No single public sector worker will get a penny piece more, but lots and lots will get a damn site less. This is just a race to the bottom! Anyway how will they calculate the average private sector wages for an area, just which private sector salaries/wages will be taken into account?? This smacks of the monied posh politicians keeping the plebs in thier place to me, company directors salaries, bonuses etc etc etc soaring unchecked.....WHAT AN UTTER DISGRACE!
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08:03 PM on 04/03/2012
If it was a question of brains or money,i would choose brains every time.health or wealth,i would choose health every time.Why? if you have the health and brains you will make your wealth.The education system is there by law,.When i think of my time at school in the sixties,if you did not pass your 11-plus you were destined to do the more meanial jobs,mills,factories,manufacturing,sewing factories,yes you could walk out of one job,into another.We did not have politician,and others,saying there should be more to be done,we failed our 11-plus, therefore you have your chance,but if your mum and dad can manage and you are showing signs,that maybe you are clever enough to go to technical college then you were v privleged.And what are we doing now,them that can are still working paying taxes,looking after grandchildren ,helping our kids and grandkids get onto the housing ladder,and we do it without question,WHY? BECAUSE OUR EXPECTATIONS NEVER MATTERED,seen and not heared,I was lucky what my parents did for me, was child mind for me so i could do my nurse training when i was 28yrs and 3 kids,therefore my husband could work as well.So the moral of this blog is,had i have passed my 11-plus, i would have done my nurse training earlier.And the ones i know that went to grammer school did nothing with their education,why because they dropped out.so who had the brains.
08:43 PM on 04/03/2012
Good for you , but what has this goy to do with the article?
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08:49 PM on 04/03/2012
Sori i realised that,just one of those days.
07:34 PM on 04/03/2012
When I first read this headline I thought it must be spokesperson for the NUTters, but no, some other whinging, whining useless teacher. What are the figures on illterate children leaving school these days?
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10:29 PM on 04/03/2012
Very good actually. According to the government's own statistics, at aged 11, on average, 80% of children are reading and writing and performing mathematical calculations at level 4, a level several adults (to judge by some of the posts here on Huffpost) would struggle with.
I often have to resist the temptation to correct the grammatical, spelling and punctuation innaccuracies of several of the bloggers on here, who love to criticise our young people and their "whinging, whining useless teachers" (sic).

80%?, I hear you cry. That's only 8 in 10 children! I hear you cry. Disgusting! I hear you cry.

Well the other 2 out of 10 either have special needs, or are simply at the lower end of the ability range. What do you want us to do, lie?
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06:54 PM on 04/03/2012
DOES this mean ALL LOCAL Government staff

Police,Nurses,Dr's,Fire the list goes on including Teachers come on Cameron showing your true colours as usual or is it someone in Whitehall justifiyng His or Her Job??????????????
08:54 PM on 04/03/2012
Oh no it won't apply to Doctors, damn good chaps don't you know!
05:32 PM on 04/03/2012
We are to blame for voting in this right wing greedy, self-centred government.
04:57 PM on 04/03/2012
Regional Pay Rates. Must also apply to MPs who represent those areas of the country.
04:35 PM on 04/03/2012
Industrial action will only want Cameron to bring in privatization of the education system in faster and make parents pay for education.
03:41 PM on 04/03/2012
What an unbelievable stupid idea. This Government are running around in ever decreasing circles. It's about time this Government started to create wealth and not rip apart the living standards of the people they are supposed to serve. The most depived regions of our country will not be a regions for our best and talented teachers to work there will be an exodus to the wealthier regions and who could blame them. BONKERS JUST BONKERS.
07:19 PM on 04/03/2012
Exodus abroad more like, the UK is rubbish!
07:29 PM on 04/03/2012
So a teacher from leafy Cheshire is going to work in inner London for more money? Do me a favour.
09:21 AM on 04/04/2012
Leafy prosperous Cheshire maybe not but less wealthy and deprived regions yes.
02:01 PM on 04/03/2012
Sorry but what is cheaper in Derbyshire than Nottinghamshire?
01:52 PM on 04/03/2012
The private sector is no different in having differing pay rates depending where you are based. Surely if the cost of living is less then it seems fair. People in London often get more money so why would the rest of the country be any different? I imagine that is why call centres are often in Scotland - because its cheaper up there for most things. Derby / Notts offer different salaries Notts being higher again because of the cost of living etc.
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02:16 PM on 04/03/2012
Nothing to do with how hard someone works, then?
03:15 PM on 04/03/2012
good point. this is all about keeping the working classes in thier place. also look at what they are doing to the education system, the exam setting & marking, tuition fees.........the list goes on. Hopefully we will never ever experience such a right wing government again.
01:50 PM on 04/11/2012
Since when has how hard someone works go to do with anything? Do you have a point to make?
07:03 PM on 04/03/2012
So where is this WE ALL IN IT TOGETHER PLAN this Government is saying we have to abide by.
Come on or is the CORNISH saying here

ALL FOR ONE and ONE FOR ALL
01:11 PM on 04/03/2012
I think the teacher in the poorer, deprived areas work far harder than those in more privilidged areas. Battling against negative attitudes to learning as well as poor achievment. This is yet another stupid idea proposed by a blinkered government!!!
02:04 PM on 04/03/2012
Well whoever taught you to spell (privileged) didn't deserve a rise.
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02:15 PM on 04/03/2012
And I think whoever made you a 'grammar nazi' needs a kick up the hoop.
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12:38 PM on 04/03/2012
"Regional pay" sounds like more like 'social engineering' to me. People will flock to the better paid areas, only the 'best' will be accepted and those remainign will be forced back to the more run-down areas.
04:55 PM on 04/03/2012
redsquad - Currently teachers flock to the more desireable areas - Devon gets 1000 applications for every teaching job - Manchester doesn't .

And there are already wage differentials - the vast majority of teachers in private schools and faith schools are paid less than those in LEA controlled State schools . Teachers in London get paid more than teachers in Birmingham .

And teachers in hard to fill inner city posts effectively get paid more by moving them up the Scale or puting shortage posts on a Higher Scale so the reality is there are and always have been differentials .

There is no direct correlation betwen teachers pay and educational results or between the LEA spend per pupil and exam results - in fact the lowest spend per pupil is in Northen Ireland which has the highest GCSE and A level pass rates.

You could purely on that basis conclude- Spend less - get better results .

There is certainly no national shortage of teachers - there are shortages in some subjects ( maths, sciences, Chinese, Arabic, Japanese and in certain rural and inner city areas and teachers of certain subjects are currently paid " Golden Hellos " to teach certain subjects or is certain areas