Hungary Pledges To Deprive Diabetes Sufferers Of Treatment If They Fail Healthy Eating Plan

The Huffington Post UK  |  By Posted: 24/04/2012 17:51 Updated: 24/04/2012 17:51

Hungarian diabetics will be ‘punished’ if they fail to stick to their healthy eating diet by being banned from having modern treatment – a government decree has announced.

Under new rules, diabetics will have blood tests every three months and if their blood sugar levels are higher than average, officials will have the right to restrict the patients’ access to treatments using analog insulin (an expensive, more effective form of insulin).

The Hungarian government is hoping that this new scheme will reduce the amount of money spent on diabetes care – around 30 billion Hungarian forints (around £82m).

“Taxpayers’ money should not be spent on patients who don’t cooperate with their doctor,” states the decree, published in the Official Journal.

Will the UK follow suit?

In Britain, the cost of diabetes to the NHS is around £1m an hour, or 10% of the NHS’ budget for England and Wales. This equates to approximately £16,666 being spent on diabetes every minute.

In total, £9 billion is spent a year treating diabetes and the complications that follow.

It’s estimated that the cost of diabetes in the UK will soar to £4m an hour by 2025.

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09:41 AM on 06/28/2012
This all sounds quite fair to me. True we cannot help falling prey to diabetes but there are some that work damn hard at working with the medical profession to get it under control and then there are others who so obviously do not. As is the case of some patients with lung cancer who wont give up smoking, liver disease who wont stop drinking, morbid obesity who wont stop stuffing anything and everything down their throats and wont or cant get off their rear ends at least once a day to keep mobile etc etc. Help should be for all at diagnosis and early treatment but in these days of financial combustion, those that 'obviously' do not play their part in the control and stabilisation/recovery of their predicament should have further treatment withdrawn. Look at George Best a while back. A lovely guy with a big big problem. Fell foul of the alcohol and had an organ replacement to save his life. It could so easily have been given to someone who would still have been alive with it now! It was wasted! I know this is a report about Hungary - but I feel this should be common practice worldwide! If you are told your going to die within the year if you continue to smoke/drink or whatever, you work at giving up don't you. If you don't then why should someone else be deprived of help whilst you waste it.
07:43 PM on 04/26/2012
About 370 million people in the world are diabetic and about 1 billion have metabolic syndrome or pre-diabetes. The cost of diabetes treatment and lost productivity is $1 trillion a year out of a world GDP of around $60 to $70 trillion.

It is easy to reverse pre-diabetes with a few simple steps:

http://www.diabetesrisk.net/
11:21 PM on 04/25/2012
I think that almost everyone here is missing the point. Isn't it strange how we now so readily cast the first stone?
Because we live in a society that is easily swayed by Government "experts" (whoever they are), we "take our eyes off the ball", to coin a cliche, and allow ourselves to be manipulated into blaming a new "enemy" for our social ills, rather than see the true picture.
The fact is, that the "New Europe" needs to sort the wheat from the chaff, so to speak, in order to rescue the concept of the single currency, and all that it has cost, by cutting back on "unneccesarry" expenditure. In this case, diabetic people who happen to have a "poor diet". Poor diet is as a result of deprivation, as much as it is a result of affluence.
Wake up, you ignorant sheep!
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07:51 AM on 04/26/2012
Yes, Leslie, it is all too easy! You are right- and we all too willingly take the bait!
10:53 PM on 04/25/2012
I dont suppose any one will agree with me but the epedemic proportions of type 2 diabetes in the west is almost entirely due to the bad dietary advice promoted by our own governments. Eat lots of grain, healthy cerials etc. |But cerials convert directly into what? yes sugar. I have brought my own HbA1c level down from 15 to 6 by eating meat, eggs, dairy products and veg and by completely cutting out bread (whole grain or not) cerials and most carbohydrates.
The NHS advice is based on American research sposored by the American agricultural board who wanted to sell sell sell GRAIN and we swallowed it. (all puns intended).
12:45 AM on 04/26/2012
You may be on to something about the cereals and grain turning to sugar, Dr Fogg. Has any research been carried out into this?
01:51 AM on 04/26/2012
Yes, mountains of it yet the NHS and Diabetics uk refuse to budge, Google "big fat lies" (youtube) or "Gary Taubes" or better still join the Diabetic support forum.

Diabetes Support Forum UK - Diabetes Support Forum UK
12:09 PM on 04/26/2012
Well done, now try a teaspoon of coconut oil in the morning and at night for only one month and you'll be back to a normal HbA1c of around 4.5 or less. Or alternativly a teaspoon of turpentine mixed with anything absorbent for three to four weeks only. Both methods will cure. Your welcom
09:21 PM on 04/26/2012
I presume you refrain from smoking whilst eating the turpentine? An HbA1c of 4.5 is rather too low thankyou, the risks of hypos is far too great.
As an aside, as the hungarian government refuse to treat overweight diabetics on the grounds that it is self inflicted, do they also intend to refuse treatment to those with climbing injuries or motor accidents? those with alcoholic related injuries? Smokers? If they follow this to its conclusion they will hardly be treating anyone.
10:34 PM on 04/25/2012
one of the biggest causes of diebetes is the bad new varieties of potatoes they are full of swugar and the wrong sort of sugar the french are researching into this at the hospital in laval the new varieties are brede for quantity not quality
stick to maris piper, king edward ,majestic, diseree ,and you will be betterthe others are develped fom potatoes grown to produce sugar
also try and buy and use cane sugar not from beet or potatoes
10:58 PM on 04/25/2012
Sugar from beet is the same as sugar from cane, albeit the latter is more expensive and contibutes more to hte food caron footprint. But I agree with the potato analysis. Best of all grow your own you can then choose traditional varieties that are healthier and the don't need a lot of soace - a sack will be fine.
09:54 PM on 04/25/2012
My husband has been a type 1 diabetic for 25 years, since the age of 17. He eats a healthy diet and does a lot of exercise but for the majority of this time his blood sugars have fluctuated considerably giving him above average HbA1c results. HbA1c does not indicate what foods are being eaten, only what the average blood sugar of the person is over a period of time. He has been on many different insulins over the years and they seem to work great for a period of time and then his body stops responding so well to them, leading to the higher blood sugars. Despite seeing lots of different specialists, he is no nearer to getting his diabetes well controlled. At best it is adequate. Type 1 diabetes in particular is very complex, insulin dosages need to be adjusted according to what is eaten. One person may need to take a certain amount of insulin for a sandwich eaten, whereas another may need triple that amount. Its not an exact science and control will vary. How on earth can it be decided from the blood results whether someone is a junk food fanatic or whether they just are unlucky enough to have particularly hard to control diabetes?
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09:38 PM on 04/25/2012
Oh dear, this will give Cameron and Lansley ideas for this country!
09:11 PM on 04/25/2012
My Grandson is Type 1 and needs insulin 4 times a day if he does not have this he will die as his pancreas has shut down, he is now 12 years old and been Type 1 since he was 7. He did not get this through eating the wrong things this is an organ in his body that has shut down through no fault of his own. I wish people would think before they start judging other people.
08:35 PM on 04/25/2012
We the Enlish must be the laughing stock of the world it seems we can afford money for anything and everyone providing it's nothing to do with England or the English.I have no time for any individual or organisation even the government who suggests withholding treatment for any other reason than they have never paid tax or national insurance in this country.They are quick enough to treat those who have never payed a penny towards their treatment while those of us who have paid into the "the system"( In my case for 50 years) have to have the approval of a bunch of control freaks.Who I believe have no integrity or honesty as in taking money off us for a specific purpose namely treatment by the NHS then withholding that treat ment for any reason whatsoever namely drinking alcohol smoking or being obese but to name those" reasons"that come to mind easily thats before think of something else.THE ONLY FAIR OF DECIDING WHO GETS TREATMENT IS HAVE YOU EVER PAID ANYTHING TOWARDS IT?
11:01 PM on 04/25/2012
What? There is no withholding of treatment required in the UK, this article is about a decision made in Hungary.
08:15 PM on 04/25/2012
You only have to go to the supermarket checkout to see who the candidates for diabetes are!
08:11 PM on 04/25/2012
Is this not a form of pre-meditated murder against diabetic sufferers,
08:53 PM on 04/25/2012
More like suicide.
07:49 PM on 04/25/2012
I cant help having type 2, i watch what i eat and drink, and it goes up and down. didnt get it till i was 48 always did the gym, sports, still got it,, it aint funny, god help them and if it ever happens here(GUY FAWEKES) and i will do it myself.
09:06 PM on 04/25/2012
well said i got it at 38 and i go to gym etc
07:18 PM on 04/25/2012
I have type 2 Diabetes as have been in a crash I can not do gym . You may be surprised how much added sugar is in most processed food these days even the ones that are so-post to be healthy as the one that is good for you stomach. there is natural sugar in fruit , vegetables all have different names Then there is added water to meat , ready meals loaded with extra salt and sugar cereals as well. Take away food the same there is a lot of rubbish out there pretending to be good food. If you are poor how are you going to buy better . Any government anywhere in the world the same targets the sick and the old . None of any world governments have done anything about the banks which made the fiance mess we have now and we are back in double dip recession.
08:10 PM on 04/25/2012
Perhaps you may consider eating food that is not take away or processed. Fresh food is cheaper and healthier.
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08:19 PM on 04/25/2012
I'll agree with healthier, not sure about cheaper!
11:04 PM on 04/25/2012
Cheaper? Really? Fresh vegetables and fruit may be cheaper than processed items when they are in season not otherwise. Growinfg your own is not cheaper either when you take into account all the kit, seeds etc. I can understand Robwillh's point.
06:46 AM on 04/26/2012
From your reply I gather you have not been to the market. Get out there and try it you will be surprised. Give up all this processed and takeaway.
06:51 PM on 04/25/2012
That is the worst thing I have heard in a long time. Both my parents and my grandparents and three of my dad's sisters had type two diabetes and my brother now has it. The possibility of me developing the condition is greatly increased 'through no fault of my own' but if this was introduced I could be denied treatment if my sugar levels were higher than normal. This abnormality can be caused by other things other than poor nutrition, it can be caused by other medical treatments that diabetics and non diabetics receive from time to time. Also deny a patient insulin and you cause more medical problems, like kidney failure, heart disease, gang green, problems with eye sight, which will cost the NHS even more money to treat. Or would those other treatments also be withdrawn because they had had their insulin held back. Who are they to decide if a person is not following a healthy lifestyle, how dare they. My comments do not convey how angry I am feeling at this moment.
09:13 PM on 04/25/2012
Type 2 diabetes is partialy hereditary as mentioned above, however even something as the first few days of a cold infection starting can result in much higher blood sugar level so that is not due to bad diet it is due to being ill & beyond your control. I notice that the Hungarians did not say no treatment, just not the newest type of insulin so it seemd AOL have once again created a scaremongering headline for their own purposes.
11:05 PM on 04/25/2012
Genetic not hereditary - it may run in a family's genetic dna but not be passed from parent to child. So several generations may not contract the condition then a spate will occur in one generation.
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06:50 PM on 04/25/2012
WE DONT BLOODY LIVE IN HUNGARY, Anyway we can always go to the RSPCA
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08:48 PM on 04/25/2012
Is this suposed to be funny? You've missed the mark with the RSPCA....
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08:56 PM on 04/25/2012
Take it or leave it.